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Gray Peterson 10-14-2010 11:31 PM

Ventura - *** TIME TO APPLY!!! ***
 
UPDATE (2014 April 12): The sheriff now accepts "self-defense" as sufficient Good Cause.

According to the VCSO "CCW Policy" (.pdf linked at: http://www.vcsd.org/ccw-permits.php), under "2. QUALIFIED APPLICANTS":

g. For purposes of this policy in reference to good cause, a need for personal safety or self-defense is currently satisfactory, depending on the ultimate appellate outcome of Peruta v. County of San Diego.

vintagearms 10-19-2010 10:42 PM

tagged

sixdays 10-20-2010 5:16 PM

I'm just about five months into the application process in Ventura County. Filed in early June. At this point I still haven't heard anything back from VCSO. Any thoughts on how the lawsuit may effect applications that are in process? Hopefully it won't...it shouldn't. But with my luck.

the_quark 10-20-2010 5:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sixdays (Post 5160988)
I'm just about five months into the application process in Ventura County. Filed in early June. At this point I still haven't heard anything back from VCSO. Any thoughts on how the lawsuit may effect applications that are in process? Hopefully it won't...it shouldn't. But with my luck.

I replied over in the other thread - I think they have 90 days to respond, so if they haven't, that's a problem in and of itself.

But, no, it shouldn't affect anything.

VictorFranko 10-20-2010 5:35 PM

I filed Nov 2, 2009.





Waiting.............

VictorFranko 10-20-2010 5:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_quark (Post 5161097)
I replied over in the other thread - I think they have 90 days to respond, so if they haven't, that's a problem in and of itself.

But, no, it shouldn't affect anything.

Not so, a buddy, after hearing nothing, got called after waiting 7 months.

Yar 10-20-2010 7:24 PM

I filed in october 2009. I was told it would take the better part of a year. I had my interview in August. At the interview I was told it would be another 2 months before I got my letter (approved or denied). Pretty much to the day I got my letter (approved) and went in for my finger prints, and live scan. Pretty much at this point I just need to do my shoot and wait the 4 weeks for the FBI to run the final background check. As long as they do not find anything to deny me I should be good to go.

From what I heard the one thing you should not do is to call and see what your status is. A buddy warned me of this and said just expect it to take the better part of a year to hear something. So far everything has worked out to the time table I was told to expect.

Never Convicted 10-21-2010 6:08 AM

made the paper :

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2010/oct/...iff-to-obtain/

interesting coments

Ill be applying soon. I could use the help on the app. Feel free to contact me.

Good job Cal Guns !

bsim 10-21-2010 8:55 PM

In the application, it states that Community College clas AJ89B will fulfill the training requirement. I can't find anything about thing via google. Any ideas?

Also, there are a couple entries in teh trainers section for the Agoura range. Isn't that closed?

wildhawker 10-21-2010 9:15 PM

I highly recommend that everyone remains patient for just a while longer. We will address the process issues, but first we need to understand Ventura's acceptable good cause and good moral character.

dantodd 10-22-2010 4:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VictorFranko (Post 5161111)
Not so, a buddy, after hearing nothing, got called after waiting 7 months.

They are statutorily required to send out your approval/denial letter in 90 days. If, in fact, they don't they are breaking the law. Gray is working in getting all counties in compliance with state law. Understandably CGF will concentrate on making sure they are following the PRA laws first and will then go after them to get them into compliance with state issuing laws after that.

racer_X_123 10-23-2010 2:06 PM

I replied in the volunteer thread and sent out an email but I think I might be a little late. I applied back in April and still have not heard anything back yet, hopefully my good cause will not get denied and as then I will be screwed.

Rescue313 10-27-2010 4:58 PM

I was a volunteer with the Sheriff's Department for 14 years. We were issued CCW's for protection. After quiting my CCW was taken away. I reapplied and denied. Why do they think I only need protection if I volunteer my time and money. Some thank you huh?

http://vcsar.org/newspaper.htm

HumanBeingExpert 10-27-2010 5:54 PM

^ That just shows how there current system is so arbitrary.

VictorFranko 10-27-2010 5:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dantodd (Post 5169427)
They are statutorily required to send out your approval/denial letter in 90 days. If, in fact, they don't they are breaking the law. Gray is working in getting all counties in compliance with state law. Understandably CGF will concentrate on making sure they are following the PRA laws first and will then go after them to get them into compliance with state issuing laws after that.

Hmmmm, I guess they are just about 285 days late with mine..................

uyoga 10-28-2010 11:02 AM

Done That!
 
Just sent my donation to sponsor this county.
Got to keep the torch lit!

badreligion 11-01-2010 10:44 AM

I got my call for interview on Friday. Interview on Wednesday, applied in January. I plan on bringing some changes to my application with me and other supporting docs.

If anyone has any suggestions please pass them on. Will update.

Sawdust 11-02-2010 6:12 AM

Dress well (i.e., business casual).

Review your application and all of your answers, and be fully prepared to discuss what you wrote.

Do not ramble - only answer what you are asked. Be friendly and amiable - but concise.

Do not, under any circumstances, get riled or impatient. You want to project yourself as a calm cool-headed rational citizen. Checking your demeanor is one of, if not the, reason for the face-to-face interview.

Sawdust

quig 11-02-2010 3:54 PM

I also applied in June '10. I called the other day to update some personal info . . . I am 150 away from being reviewed! Maybe next summer!:(

wildhawker 11-03-2010 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quig (Post 5231893)
I also applied in June '10. I called the other day to update some personal info . . . I am 150 away from being reviewed! Maybe next summer!:(

What do you mean, "150 away"?

quig 11-03-2010 1:31 PM

Apparently, there are 150 applications to process before my turn will come up.

Yar 11-04-2010 5:56 PM

Got my ccw in the mail today. Took over 1 year but it's done.

racer_X_123 11-07-2010 3:56 PM

any tips for the interview? What was the range qualification like? Did you k ow after the interview if you were denied or approved? High pressure interview?

Yar 11-08-2010 7:46 AM

The interview was real mellow. About half of it was verification of stuff on the application. Where did I work, where did I live, etc. They do ask you to bring some stuff in. A letter from your employeer authorizing/endorsing your CCW, and a utility bill to prove your residence. Then the second half was a discussion of your good cause.

From what I hear if you get to the interview stage your are most likely going to get your CCW. After the interview I was told 2 months and I would get a letter approved or denied.

After I got my approval letter I went to do my live scan and drop off my check. I was told to do my shoot. The range qual was very basic. They know me from work and from competition shooting.

I would say from the whole process in Ventura if you have a sufficent good cause and you can patiently wait the 1 year it should not be a major issue. Do not expect your going to get expedited no matter how good you think your good cause is. It is going to be 1 year from start to end.

vintagearms 11-16-2010 6:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wildhawker (Post 5168535)
I highly recommend that everyone remains patient for just a while longer. We will address the process issues, but first we need to understand Ventura's acceptable good cause and good moral character.

Tagged for further info. I have not applied yet.

quig 11-24-2010 8:24 AM

Interview next week! :clover:

Connor P Price 11-28-2010 12:21 AM

Looking forward to further developments. Planning to sponsor once the holiday season is over.

quig 11-30-2010 3:51 PM

Interview today is pretty much what "Yar" said it was. On the bright side, they are pushing the CCW apps much quicker than before. The deputy said that last year, they were 12-15 months to an interview. Now, they are down to 5-6 months as my app was turned in 6/2010.

I was told that I should get a letter in about a month, and I should start looking into getting the training.

So, who is recommended in Ventura/LA County for the CCW training. I have a list, but would like some personal feedback. I do have some basic weapons/safety knowledge and would prefer a training in which I might actually get some new skills, instead of a dummied down course for newbies.

sdjoslin 11-30-2010 4:33 PM

TacFire is Good
http://www.tacfire.com

Sawdust 12-01-2010 6:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quig (Post 5374762)
Interview today is pretty much what "Yar" said it was. On the bright side, they are pushing the CCW apps much quicker than before. The deputy said that last year, they were 12-15 months to an interview. Now, they are down to 5-6 months as my app was turned in 6/2010.

I was told that I should get a letter in about a month, and I should start looking into getting the training.

So, who is recommended in Ventura/LA County for the CCW training. I have a list, but would like some personal feedback. I do have some basic weapons/safety knowledge and would prefer a training in which I might actually get some new skills, instead of a dummied down course for newbies.


You have to pick a trainer from the list that accompanied the application.

The majority of the course will be in the classroom and will be focused on the laws of self-defense with a firearm, where you can carry, etc.

The only range time is when you do your qualification shooting.

Sawdust

badreligion 12-01-2010 8:11 PM

Interview done.
Fingerprints done.
Signed blank rice paper.
Cash Paid.
Training done.
Turn in training cert on Friday.
Wait on mail.

quig 12-01-2010 8:22 PM

Where did you get the training? How was it? How much?

badreligion 12-02-2010 9:45 PM

I have had better training for less money so I won't make a recommendation based on my experiences.

I will be actively looking into more training after the new year.

HowardW56 01-12-2011 2:53 PM

Has there been any movement in the lawsuit?

vintagearms 01-15-2011 3:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HowardW56 (Post 5606031)
Has there been any movement in the lawsuit?

Id like to know this as well.

Connor P Price 01-15-2011 3:59 PM

Register of Actions:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ventura County Superior Court
1 Petition for Writ of Mandate filed by The Calguns Foundation Inc on 10/15/2010.
Filed by:The Calguns Foundation Inc(Petitioner)Refers to:VENTURA COUNTY SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT(Respondent); County of Ventura(Respondent); Bob Brooks in individual capacity and official capacity as Ventura County Sheriff(Respondent)
2 Case assigned to Department 41.

3 Minutes finalized for heard 10/20/2010 10:48:00 AM.

4 Judge Frederick H. Bysshe recuses himself from this case on October 20, 2010

5 Minutes finalized for heard 10/21/2010 10: 22:00 AM.

6 Case reassigned from 41 to 42 effective 10/21/2010.

7 Proof of Service of 30-day Summons & Complaint - Substitute (served Sheri Debenning and by mail) filed by The Calguns Foundation Inc on 10/22/2010.

8 Proof of Service of 30-day Summons & Complaint - Personal (served upon Lynda Gibson, deputy clerk authzd to accept service) filed by The Calguns Foundation Inc on 10/22/2010.

9 Proof of Service of 30-day Summons & Complaint - Personal (accepting service Terry Edejer, office asst authzd to accept) filed by The Calguns Foundation Inc on 10/22/2010.

10 Answer filed by County of Ventura; Bob Brooks in individual capacity and official capacity as Ventura County Sheriff; VENTURA COUNTY SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT on 11/15/2010.

No new actions have been taken recently it would appear, but don't take this to mean that things aren't happening. I'm sure the lawyers on each side are hard at work.

Burbur 01-16-2011 3:17 PM

There is a New Sherriff in Town
 
Has anyone had or seen any action taken by the new administration?

I would imaging rewriting CCW policies and procedures wouldn't be in the top 3 things done, but you would think it would be somewhere on Deans radar, considering there is pending litigation...

wildhawker 01-16-2011 3:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Connor P Price (Post 5624988)
Register of Actions:

No new actions have been taken recently it would appear, but don't take this to mean that things aren't happening. I'm sure the lawyers on each side are hard at work.

We have the ball and will be taking the next step very soon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burbur (Post 5630279)
Has anyone had or seen any action taken by the new administration?

I would imaging rewriting CCW policies and procedures wouldn't be in the top 3 things done, but you would think it would be somewhere on Deans radar, considering there is pending litigation...

I have not heard of any direct changes at this point.

coyotebait 02-02-2011 4:24 PM

Does anyone have any idea at all of which way Dean leans on the issue?

Gray Peterson 02-02-2011 5:17 PM

(CGF) Lake County Sheriff's Office Changes Policy and Upholds Law
 
All,

I'll be posting this over in the Lake County section, but I got this message from Sheriff Rivero:

The new LCSO Policy Manual is not yet complete. I expected to have it available for review by County Counsel next week and published shortly thereafter but the person working on it was injured. I expect him back next week.

In any event, the CCW policy is a s follows; our CCW application process consist of filing out the standard DOJ forms, submitting the Live Scan result (DOJ approval), a short interview with me and my Patrol Commander and the range qualification. All other previous requirements have been removed. As far as a reason for the CCW permit, personal protection suffices.

Frank Rivero

Sheriff Rivero was one of the sheriff's who worked with me to make sure their rules are in compiance with the law. Sheriff Mitchell, now forcibly retired by the voters of Lake County, made many statements and claims about his opponent making it more difficult to get a license to carry.

Sheriff Mitchell also repeatedly lied in debates about getting a "CalGuns" endorsement, when CGF cannot endorse and CalGuns.net is purely a web forum. He alsounlawfully and illegally denied a Canadian citizen and permanent resident alien of the United States a license to carry, and in a phone conversation, flat out told me that he would only issue Mr. Adams his permit under a injunctive court order against this, despite People v. Rappard and despite understanding what Rappard meant. Sheriff Mitchell also illegally required training before accepting the license application and required 2 years worth of residency before being able to apply, despite Salute.

This should be an example of how the compliance initiative works. Regardless of NRA endorsement or not, we will work with ANY sheriff who wants to get their policies in compliance with the law, and also drive home the point that self defense should be good cause. Before, Mitchell did not issue purely for self defense either from reports that I'm getting.

Sheriff Rivero deserves a round of applause for keeping his promises, for proving all of the haters wrong, and doing the right thing. I just wish numerous other sheriff's would follow his example.

Hat's off to you, Sheriff! :rockon:


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