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obeygiant 10-14-2010 10:22 PM

Orange
 
Read the last few pages of this thread to get an idea of where Orange stands currently.

UPDATE (2015 April 05): In light of the Peruta 3-judge panel decision being taken for review en banc, Hutchens has decided to go back to her pre-Peruta restrictive issuance policy. (See http://ocsd.org/about/info/services/ccw and posts on p. 11 and following of this thread.) Thus I ("Paladin") am removing the alert symbol and "TIME TO APPLY!!!" from the title of this thread for now. (end of update)

UPDATE (2014 April 12): In light of the Peruta decision Sheriff Hutchens has revised her CCW policy and now accepts "self-defense" as sufficient Good Cause. But she may change her policy if Peruta is stayed or withdrawn. Time to apply!

The Orange County Sheriff’s Department will accept CCW applications which include, in the “Details of Reason for Applicant Desiring a CCW License” (on page 10 of 13 of the California Department of Justice Standard Initial and Renewal Application for License to Carry a Concealed Weapon), that the CCW license is needed for self-defense or personal safety. Applications which include other reasons showing “good cause” for the CCW License as set forth in the Orange County Sheriff’s Department’s Policy 218, License to Carry a Concealed Firearm, will also be accepted.

If the Peruta v. County of San Diego panel decision is withdrawn by a decision to rehear the case en banc in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, or a stay is issued by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals or the United States Supreme Court, we may require applicants to supplement the “good cause” statement for the CCW License in accord with Orange County Sheriff’s Department’s Policy 218.
(emphasis and underlining added)
From: http://ocsd.org/about/info/services/ccw

End of update.

Twystd1 10-18-2010 4:22 PM

OK.. What do I do to get a CCW in the OC?

Is it a waste of time at this moment? Or is it a good idea to pursue this route? I don't want to throw away my hard earned money and my precious time on something that is impossible at the moment.
What do you guys think? As I have no clue about the Orange County situation other than it is dam near impossible to get one from our Illustrious Sheriff whatshername.

What say you fellas?

Twystd1

obeygiant 10-18-2010 4:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twystd1 (Post 5148304)
OK.. What do I do to get a CCW in the OC?

Is it a waste of time at this moment? Or is it a good idea to pursue this route? I don't want to throw away my hard earned money and my precious time on something that is impossible at the moment.
What do you guys think? As I have no clue about the Orange County situation other than it is dam near impossible to get one from our Illustrious Sheriff whatshername.

What say you fellas?

Twystd1

Quote:

Originally Posted by wildhawker (Post 5147396)
Not yet, but we will be phasing in each county as their acceptable good cause statements are available, and also as the policy compliance portion corrects any deficiencies.

It's also much easier if you're in the state of california. :43:

CHS 10-19-2010 7:06 AM

Anyone know if Westminster PD issues CCW's, or must you go directly through the Sheriff?

crackerman 10-19-2010 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdsmchs (Post 5151561)
Anyone know if Westminster PD issues CCW's, or must you go directly through the Sheriff?

All Cities in the OC have ceded that power to the Sheriff Hutchens currently.

dantodd 10-19-2010 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twystd1 (Post 5148304)
OK.. What do I do to get a CCW in the OC?

Is it a waste of time at this moment? Or is it a good idea to pursue this route? I don't want to throw away my hard earned money and my precious time on something that is impossible at the moment.
What do you guys think? As I have no clue about the Orange County situation other than it is dam near impossible to get one from our Illustrious Sheriff whatshername.

What say you fellas?

Twystd1

If your time is too valuable to "waste" it on applying where you might be turned down this exercise may not be for you. This is a compliance drill and once we move on each county there is every expectation that some sheriffs will be recalcitrant and illegally deny people. If you are worried about this, or the $20 it costs to apply then you might want to wait until those willing to spend the time and money open up the policy so you can get your CCW via their (individually easy, collectively hard) work.

Doheny 10-20-2010 7:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by auxcoastie (Post 5152599)
All Cities in the OC have ceded that power to the Sheriff Hutchens currently.

I'm pretty sure that Irvine issues their own. From their website:

Quote:

Concealed Weapon Permits

If you are interested in obtaining a CCW (Carrying a Concealed Weapon) permit, please contact Sgt. Bill Whalen at (949) 724-7041, or you can email him at bwhalen@ci.irvine.ca.us for further information.

Doheny 10-20-2010 7:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twystd1 (Post 5148304)
OK.. What do I do to get a CCW in the OC?

<snip>

Twystd1

I say for now, hang on. It may be a matter of just a few weeks or month until we know much more about the process for each issuing agency.

crackerman 10-20-2010 9:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doheny (Post 5157784)
I'm pretty sure that Irvine issues their own. From their website:


Hmm I stand corrected, last time I lived in Irvine and checked, the desk lady said it was the sherriff. About 2 years ago.

My latest info was what I posted from the friend who just got his.

Doheny 10-20-2010 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by auxcoastie (Post 5158201)
Hmm I stand corrected, last time I lived in Irvine and checked, the desk lady said it was the sherriff. About 2 years ago.

My latest info was what I posted from the friend who just got his.

When I checked, they only issued about four. It would be very interesting as to who/what their could cause was and why only four people in a city can receive a ccw from the PD.

dantodd 10-20-2010 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doheny (Post 5158572)
When I checked, they only issued about four. It would be very interesting as to who/what their could cause was and why only four people in a city can receive a ccw from the PD.

It is quite possible that they have kept the number of applicants low by not advertising their process and/or discouraging applicants before they ever apply.

John W 10-20-2010 8:58 PM

This is very exciting. Keep up the good work, I can't wait to submit my app.

Subscribed!

Colt 10-20-2010 9:52 PM

How do you get that info? Does it name the four?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doheny (Post 5158572)
When I checked, they only issued about four. It would be very interesting as to who/what their could cause was and why only four people in a city can receive a ccw from the PD.


Doheny 10-21-2010 8:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colt (Post 5162670)
How do you get that info? Does it name the four?

I asked the person (I think it was a Sgt.) who was in charge of CCWs and he told me. I didn't go into good cause, etc. No, he did not name the four.

However, I think that in a city of 200,000 only having four CCWs seems a bit off. Obviously someone knows somebody, etc.

popndrop 10-22-2010 3:27 PM

I live in Irvine, so I called and left a message just a few min ago - so If I have any luck, I'll be sure to let you all know how it goes.

QQQ 10-23-2010 8:57 PM

Let me know what happens, and whether the CGF suggests trying to apply! For $20, I would be willing to submit an application. I'm 21, not a prohibited person, and living in Irvine.

ripcurlksm 10-25-2010 2:06 PM

looking forward to updates.

speedjunkie 10-25-2010 7:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ripcurlksm (Post 5186950)
looking forward to updates.

+1

Love to see Sheriff Hutchens forced to comply with CCW issuance to everyday people...

lgm118icbm 10-27-2010 7:36 PM

Seriously? Orange County only has 9 sponsors so far?

If I did it, you can too!!

C'mon people!
Every single person that is able should sponsor!
http://www.cgfstore.org/

kegs 10-28-2010 4:43 PM

I live in OC, over 21, squeeky clean record, and would be happy to apply and report feedback if need be.

popndrop 11-03-2010 2:25 PM

I called Irvine PD - they basically told me that they won't give me one unless I have documented threat to my life, and one that would be considered an ongoing threat. They said i'd have better luck with the OCSD.

PS - MADE MY CGF contribution for the CCW Initiative.

BlindRacer 11-03-2010 2:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by popndrop (Post 5238532)
I called Irvine PD - they basically told me that they won't give me one unless I have documented threat to my life, and one that would be considered an ongoing threat. They said i'd have better luck with the OCSD.

How does one obtain documentation to an on going threat? I'm sure that you would have had to suffer actual physical harm, as well as some sort of note/phone message/email with specifics that there is a threat, and that it is a persistent one, that will not be stopping in the near future. Cause it seems that mere police reports of a threat are not sufficient (afaik from other posts).

I doubt Hutchens would give you any more than what Irvine did. I'm pretty sure Hutchens will be one of the last holdouts along with LA's and SF's sheriffs.

IGOTDIRT4U 11-03-2010 3:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doheny (Post 5157784)
I'm pretty sure that Irvine issues their own. From their website:

Nope. They send you off to the sheriff, too.

IGOTDIRT4U 11-03-2010 3:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by popndrop (Post 5238532)
I called Irvine PD - they basically told me that they won't give me one unless I have documented threat to my life, and one that would be considered an ongoing threat. They said i'd have better luck with the OCSD.

PS - MADE MY CGF contribution for the CCW Initiative.

Yep. But if one could look at who and how long they had theirs, it would make more sense. :rolleyes:

It's like saying Culver City issues, but no one really can recall them issuing.

Phanatic 11-03-2010 4:42 PM

Looking forward to more info on this!!!

Doheny 11-03-2010 5:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IGOTDIRT4U (Post 5239093)
Nope. They send you off to the sheriff, too.

Sounds like a case for CGF. They (Irvine) can't issue to some then tell others to go to the Sheriff. I have an email from the PD saying they have two issued.

1BigPea 11-03-2010 6:37 PM

Sponsored Orange County...standing by for updates.

luckystrike 11-03-2010 7:00 PM

Im planning on applying for one in january.
anyone here from OC actually have a CCW?

the_donald_ 11-05-2010 2:25 PM

Sponsored, waiting for the "all clear".

:patriot:

dantodd 11-05-2010 3:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doheny (Post 5239606)
Sounds like a case for CGF. They (Irvine) can't issue to some then tell others to go to the Sheriff. I have an email from the PD saying they have two issued.

Nope. For the most part CGF is going to focus solely on the sheriffs and leave the cities alone. There are too many cities to deal with, each city effects a relatively small number of CGF's constituency and if CGF applies pressure they can completely escape by filing (g) and letting the sheriff handle all their apps.

If you know that Irvine issues but they just don't want to give you app etc. Just download the app on the CGF site, fill it out and mail it in, certified, return receipt. This will count as submitting your application and if they give you push back ask if they issue to anyone other than Peace Officers. If they do issue then they MUST accept your application. If they accept your application then they must act upon it in accordance with Guillory and Salute.

You would have to do all the footwork to ge them to act on the application though. It wouldn't be easy and if I were in your shoes I'd sit tight and wait for OC actions to start here. OR go to CalCCW or BillyJack and follow the "old" method of getting a CCW.

GunSlut 11-12-2010 5:54 PM

Irvine DOES issue and it's more than four. They also require the psych test, OCSD doesn't. Newport is the only other city in OC that issues. Laguna Beach use to till Chief Sellers came in.

GunSlut 11-12-2010 5:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luckystrike (Post 5240262)
Im planning on applying for one in January.
anyone here from OC actually have a CCW?

688 two year general CCWs, 615 have the restriction "course and scope of business".
47 three year judicial CCW's, no restrictions.
173 four year reserve CCWs, no restictions.

Gray Peterson 11-12-2010 6:08 PM

So, GS, when are you going to let me and Brandon back on the CalCCW forum without being muzzled?

smokeysbandit 11-12-2010 8:44 PM

$100 Sent, Lets do this Orange County!!

obeygiant 11-13-2010 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GunSlut (Post 5290120)
688 two year general CCWs, 615 have the restriction "course and scope of business".
47 three year judicial CCW's, no restrictions.
173 four year reserve CCWs, no restictions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gray Peterson (Post 5290166)
So, GS, when are you going to let me and Brandon back on the CalCCW forum without being muzzled?

:gene:

lgm118icbm 11-15-2010 10:47 AM

Thanks to On-Target for supporting the cause!

Doheny 11-30-2010 2:45 PM

Status Check
 
What's the latest with OC?

straightpuke 12-02-2010 12:30 PM

I don't think Westminster PD issues CCW's...I know they issue it to retired LEOs though. There's a form on their website that allows retired LEOs to keep carrying.

ripcurlksm 12-10-2010 11:36 AM

Sponsored Orange a few weeks ago!

Lets say you live in Irvine and they issued you a CCW, are you good for the entire county and state?

dantodd 12-10-2010 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ripcurlksm (Post 5425706)
Sponsored Orange a few weeks ago!

Lets say you live in Irvine and they issued you a CCW, are you good for the entire county and state?

Yes sir. As long as you are issued a standard 2 yr. permit you are good statewide. Be sure to follow any restrictions listed on the back unless told otherwise. You can get your permit revoked for violating such restrictions.


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