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obeygiant 10-14-2010 10:18 PM

Marin
 
UPDATE: the Marin sheriff attempted to intervene to appeal the ruling of the 3-judge panel in Peruta:
http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=905433

Anyone who gets denied in Marin Co (either by a city's PD or by the Sheriff's Office), and wants to fight it should read the following quote from my ("Paladin") post in the Monterey Co thread. (There they accept SD as GC, but push the GMC requirement.) The 14th Amendment Equal Protection applies to ALL aspects of the application process, not just GC and GMC.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paladin (Post 16276894)
So, they say SD = GC, but then push GMC through the roof and, it appears, make your RKBA subject to your neighbors', co-workers' and friends' ratification.... :facepalm: :mad:

If Bernal does NOT follow this same procedure with ALL CCW applicants (think political donors, "friends of the sheriff"/"posse" members, politicians, celebrities), he's open for a Guillory-type 14th A Equal Protection federal lawsuit, but for GMC rather than GC.

Hypothetically, let's say there's a world-famous film star (and director) who lives in (and was once the mayor of) Carmel-By-The-Sea, a city which, acc to CGF's 2013 survey, does not issue CCWs. We'll call him "Mr. E." Let's suppose Mr. E has a Monterey SO CCW. When it is/was time to renew, if the sheriff has the same policy for renewals that means his "background investigator" would have to go to Mr. E's neighbors (who, unlike his friends, may be hard-core antis), and "ask them if they would recommend [Mr. E] be issued a CCW permit." Not only would the same procedure have to be followed, but the same standard as to judging whether to issue or not be followed. IOW, let's say 1 of your neighbors says "Nyet!" when asked if you should get a CCW and because of that you are denied. If 1 of Mr. E's neighbors also said "No!" and yet was issued, that too is a 14th A Equal Protection violation.


putput 10-18-2010 1:57 PM

Marin Specific PDF From Calguns Foundation

Here

States "contact with applicant's family, relatives, friends, associates and employer."

PutPut is now immortal.:party:

fairfaxjim 10-20-2010 1:58 PM

Local CCW Policy, Guidelines & Forms:

.pdf will not open.

Thanks.

obeygiant 10-20-2010 7:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fairfaxjim (Post 5159839)
Local CCW Policy, Guidelines & Forms:

.pdf will not open.

Thanks.

The link has been fixed, try and download it again. Post back in here and let me know if it works for you now.

fairfaxjim 11-13-2010 1:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by obeygiant (Post 5161857)
The link has been fixed, try and download it again. Post back in here and let me know if it works for you now.

I can downlaod and save it, it comes up with an encryption error when trying to open in a web browser window.

obeygiant 12-08-2010 9:35 PM

Marin GC statements are available Here

Purple K 12-08-2010 9:58 PM

"carries large amounts of cash in shady neighborhood" Hmmmm, I thought we were supposed to just hire an armored car service. LOL!

CalBear 12-08-2010 9:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by obeygiant (Post 5417380)
Marin GC statements are available Here

That's a whole lot of cash, gems, retired _____, gang death threats and prosecutors. :eek:

CalBear 12-08-2010 9:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purple K (Post 5417479)
"carries large amounts of cash in shady neighborhood" Hmmmm, I thought we were supposed to just hire an armored car service. LOL!

Clearly the path to a CCW in Marin is to withdraw your entire life savings every evening, drive around shady parts of town, and deposit it the next morning.

Paladin 12-09-2010 7:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CalBear (Post 5417488)
Clearly the path to a CCW in Marin is to withdraw your entire life savings every evening, drive around shady parts of town, and deposit it the next morning.

My *guess* w/a lot of anti Bay Area counties is if a buddy/financial supporter of a sheriff makes the claim of having to carry large amounts of cash due to their job, the sheriff accepts it and issues a CCW.

If Joe Average makes that claim, the sheriff requires proof of the claim, investigates it, and if the claim is true, tells Joe to require direct deposits from customers or other work around (armor car service), and doesn't issue a CCW. :mad:

putput 12-09-2010 7:44 AM

There it is. About the 10th page.

"I am requesting a license to carry a concealed weapon based primarily on personal safety and self-defense grounds and for the security and welfare of my family."

sfpcservice 12-09-2010 7:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by putput (Post 5418392)
There it is. About the 10th page.

"I am requesting a license to carry a concealed weapon based primarily on personal safety and self-defense grounds and for the security and welfare of my family."

Snap! Has a calgunner applied using "self protection" to this county?

putput 12-09-2010 8:03 AM

I think we're waiting for the green light. I'm guessing that this will take some litigation. I hope not but, we'll see...



Quote:

Originally Posted by sfpcservice (Post 5418454)
Snap! Has a calgunner applied using "self protection" to this county?


wildhawker 12-09-2010 8:53 AM

Keep your powder dry and remain patient...

Blackhawk556 12-09-2010 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by putput (Post 5418392)
There it is. About the 10th page.

"I am requesting a license to carry a concealed weapon based primarily on personal safety and self-defense grounds and for the security and welfare of my family."

i think you are wrong.

he is a deputy district attorney so he gets special treatment, you don't.;)

Blackhawk556 12-09-2010 11:00 PM

"Retired ________. He is entitled a ccw under Ca law"

which position could that be?
................................................


"he now works as a psychologist and appear to be well adjusted, stable and a productive member of society"

i'm not a psychologist but i am adjusted, stable, and pay my taxes every year. will i qualify?
can't someone say the same thing? ;)

Window_Seat 12-10-2010 6:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackhawk556 (Post 5423727)
"Retired ________. He is entitled a ccw under Ca law"

which position could that be?
...

Could be a former LEO who qualifies under 18 USC 926B.

I know this isn't ALCO, but here is one from ALCO, part 2, page 74:

Quote:

...I am a retired federal law enforcement agent.

I do not have the compelling needs and safety concerns usually expressed by most applicants.
This is a direct and written admission that a retired LEO doesn't necessarily have to have that compelling need for a CCW just because they are a retired LEO. This doesn't mean that I don't support his need or want for a CCW, but it seems that with my compelling need being more than his, and my (presumed) denial, and with his approval in the same department (not necessarily the approval, itself) wouldn't stand the test of muster in court, but I could be wrong... :(

Erik.

putput 12-10-2010 6:50 AM

Equal protection... He's no better than me or you...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackhawk556 (Post 5423703)
i think you are wrong.

he is a deputy district attorney so he gets special treatment, you don't.;)


Window_Seat 12-10-2010 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by putput (Post 5424402)
Equal protection... He's no better than me our you...

^^+10⁹⁹∞

And this is along the lines we are going to be seeing after certain court cases are either settled or won when it goes all the way through. This is also why we have these docs.

Erik.

415shooter 02-26-2011 10:52 PM

listening and waiting

Kid Stanislaus 02-27-2011 6:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purple K (Post 5417479)
"carries large amounts of cash in shady neighborhood" Hmmmm, I thought we were supposed to just hire an armored car service. LOL!

Sounds to me like the guy is a drug dealer!;)

Drivedabizness 02-27-2011 7:18 PM

Is it me, or did someone from the Sheriff's office fill out the majority of the GC statements? The handwriting is the same and they are not written in the first person "Mr Jones wants a permit because".

If I were a resident, could I get one of the deputies to write MY GC statement?

Ism415 02-27-2011 8:46 PM

As far as i know... no one in marin can get one

timdps 02-27-2011 9:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drivedabizness (Post 5902179)
Is it me, or did someone from the Sheriff's office fill out the majority of the GC statements? The handwriting is the same and they are not written in the first person "Mr Jones wants a permit because".

If I were a resident, could I get one of the deputies to write MY GC statement?

Looks to me like those are from the CCW interviews, not the submitted Good Cause statements.

Tim

PS 9mm vs Bears at Lake Tahoe... LOL

odysseus 03-09-2011 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ism415 (Post 5902803)
As far as i know... no one in marin can get one

It's an unpleasant reality with the likes of an anti like Sheriff Doyle.

corrupt 05-27-2011 10:52 PM

Good cause statement: "I work in Oakland at my family business and have been assaulted and raped on different occasions."

Sheriff's reply to person he doesn't know: "Well then call the cops next time it happens, better yet don't go to Oakland."

bcDeL 06-18-2011 11:16 AM

It is funny that a county that derives so much self-satisfaction from its progressive politics embraces a feudalistic gun control policy without a second thought.

safewaysecurity 02-17-2012 4:57 PM

Marin County Good Cause statements are now available http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/res...tatements.html

safewaysecurity 02-17-2012 4:58 PM

I thought the one about the Chief in SF and the guy being a war vet killing the Vietcong was rather odd.

safewaysecurity 02-17-2012 6:22 PM

Also page 49 and 51 are rather "general" self defense reasons. One basically says he is in a bad neighborhood and the other states that she is a woman and likes to hike.

putput 09-08-2014 7:52 AM

Anyone tried lately?

xxx187xxx 10-02-2014 7:32 PM

why does all these links say error not found?

Paladin 10-02-2014 8:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxx187xxx (Post 14996255)
why does all these links say error not found?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...7#post14996587

aodorisio 11-12-2014 8:07 PM

alright well marin folk, looks like we might be able to get one after all. so who knows who to go to for training

kingof9x 11-13-2014 2:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aodorisio (Post 15250648)
alright well marin folk, looks like we might be able to get one after all. so who knows who to go to for training

How did you come to that conclusion? Bullseye in san rafael has a multi-state ccw course, I wonder if that would count? However based on my interactions with the people there who claim to be instructors and the things I have heard them tell people I would be better off getting all my training on youtube from the guys at carnik con.

but seriously, did you come across some new info about getting a CCW in marin?

aodorisio 11-13-2014 4:52 PM

oh man prepare to be really excited.

first some basic background as I don't know what you know or not, if you are more knowledgeable of CCW skip to the next paragraph. Previously the county sheriff was in charge of issuing CCWs and it required that along with training, good moral character, and a good clause/ a specific reason why you need a concealed weapon were the requirements to obtain a CCW permit. The marin county sheriff while claiming to be pro 2A was very anti pro 2A and only approved 22 permits thus far mainly to judges, district attorneys and anyone else he likes with some political power. He denied the others by claiming that their good clause statements weren't good enough to want to protect their lives. For instance a good clause statement saying personal protection wasn't a good enough reason.

Peruta vs San Diego was a court case claiming it is unconstitutional to deny someone if they want a CCW for personal protection essentially trying to get rid of the good clause part of the CCW process. As of now that case is won by peruta and California will be a shall issue state! Unless the case is reheard by the 9th circuit court which it has already denied one appeal for a rehearing, and achieving the rehearing off the second appeal is unlikely, but possible. It could also go to the US supreme court. Again I believe unlikely, however there is still the slim chance.

So right now I am trying to get ahead of the rush for classes so I can be towards the front of the line with my paperwork and not add another year or two until I can legally exercise my 2A rights in public.

there are several threads that talk about it on this website with more information, but from what I understand this is all correct. Read those threads if you like but you're going to have to weed through a bunch of comments

UberPatriot 11-13-2014 5:04 PM

So, did something change lately because this has been known for a while now?
I thought we were still waiting on an appeal or something.

aodorisio 11-13-2014 5:07 PM

they denied the appeal as of yesterday. we are now waiting to see what the next defensive steps for Harris are but it looks less likely as a win for her

UberPatriot 11-13-2014 5:31 PM

Hey would a death threat by a rich guy saying he's going to get me in my alleyway some night for sleeping with his ex wife, that I showed to the cops a few years ago work in a good cause statement? :)

aodorisio 11-13-2014 6:26 PM

in marin under current laws, i doubt it. the point of the lawsuit is that you don't need a good clause though


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