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asheron2 03-06-2010 2:10 PM

Walther P99 Kaboom (UPDATE in OP 3/17/10)
 
3/17/10
So after sending the ammo and destroyed casing into CCI, they have agreed to replace the gun as soon as mine arrives at their business. I am extremely happy with the customer service at CCI, and they were very helpful and fast to reply. They will also be reimbursing me all shipping costs with ammo. I will definately be buying more products from them.

Althought the problem was with a CCI rouns, i believe that this can and does happen to all ammo companies. What truly tells the quality of a company is how they treat it when their product does fail.

So, all in all i give CCI an A++ for customer service!!


Original Post
So i went shooting this mornign with my walther p99..........yeah ill let the pictures explain.

http://i453.photobucket.com/albums/q...2/IMG_2128.jpg
http://i453.photobucket.com/albums/q...2/IMG_2124.jpg
http://i453.photobucket.com/albums/q...2/IMG_2126.jpg
http://i453.photobucket.com/albums/q...2/IMG_2130.jpg
http://i453.photobucket.com/albums/q...2/IMG_2133.jpg

Luckily i still have all my fingers and both eyes are where they are supposed to be.

69Mach1 03-06-2010 2:15 PM

Damn. Glad your safe. What do you think happened.

Gio 03-06-2010 2:17 PM

Dang, glad to hear you were not injured.

-Gio

NSR500 03-06-2010 2:18 PM

What were you shooting, Wolf?

Twystd1 03-06-2010 2:22 PM

Looks like it went off out of battery. But how... HHHmmmmmmm

AK4me 03-06-2010 2:22 PM

Yea please let us know what type of ammo it was.

JBird33 03-06-2010 2:23 PM

OOB or run of the mill case failure at a less supported spot of the chamber?

NewbieDave 03-06-2010 2:24 PM

PMC blazer?

asheron2 03-06-2010 2:25 PM

It was CCI Blazer. The gun did fire in battery, i had to beat it apart with a brass punch, the pictures were taken afterwards to simulate what it looked like before.

The blowout happened at the less supported part of the case that is for the feedramps.

NSR500 03-06-2010 2:29 PM

CCI Blazer is Aluminum, right?

asheron2 03-06-2010 2:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NSR500 (Post 3915649)
CCI Blazer is Aluminum, right?

correct

asheron2 03-06-2010 2:32 PM

Does anyone know what the warranty is like for Walther??

What course of action should i take in getting this fixed and replaced.

NSR500 03-06-2010 2:34 PM

Hmmm... I've never shot any of that stuff. Is it coated with anything like Wolf, that may cause sticking or build up?

asheron2 03-06-2010 2:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NSR500 (Post 3915675)
Hmmm... I've never shot any of that stuff. Is it coated with anything like Wolf, that may cause sticking or build up?

They does not seem to be coated with anything upon inspection.

paul0660 03-06-2010 2:38 PM

I think your beef is with the ammo, but maybe Blazer should be talking to Walther about how you are going to be put right. A quick look on the web indicates Walther has a 1 year warranty, a s&w p99 is lifetime. Good luck........

JBird33 03-06-2010 2:38 PM

Wow blew the primer right on outta there eh?

Z ME FLY 03-06-2010 2:39 PM

Glad you are ok

NSR500 03-06-2010 2:42 PM

Well, glad you're okay! That's the most important thing.
As for a warranty, I found this for you: http://www.waltherforums.com/showthread.php?t=11690

Take a chance on it and maybe they'll replace the pistol. If not, it would seem CCI should if it is ammo related.

asheron2 03-06-2010 2:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JBird33 (Post 3915692)
Wow blew the primer right on outta there eh?

lol primer was dislodged and loose........when i beat the barrel lose it ended up on the floor of the shop somewhere never to be found >.<

Rooftop Voter 03-06-2010 3:24 PM

9mm or .40?
My dad has a Walther P99 in .40... :eek:

X-NewYawker 03-06-2010 3:40 PM

Thank god you're okay -- that's a testament to the Walther "quality"

awl168 03-06-2010 4:00 PM

Glad you are okay!

Call Walther (aka S&W) to let them know what happened. I'm sure they will take care of you.

NSR500 03-06-2010 4:02 PM

I have to give it to Walther, that frame looks like it held up.

Glock-matic 03-06-2010 4:05 PM

The fact that the primer pocket enlarged so much and the case burst points to a overcharge of powder. Sorry to see it KB on you, glad you made it with all your fingers and toes.

asheron2 03-06-2010 5:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rooftop Voter (Post 3915885)
9mm or .40?
My dad has a Walther P99 in .40... :eek:

.40 S&W

asheron2 03-06-2010 5:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X-NewYawker (Post 3915942)
Thank god you're okay -- that's a testament to the Walther "quality"

Yeah the frame was very tough, the only thing it feels like is that i hit a baseball w/ a bat too close to the handle........been a couple hours still

liketoshoot 03-06-2010 5:08 PM

OUCH, and glad the only thing hurting still is the gun.

someR1 03-06-2010 5:16 PM

damn, glad your OK~!

let us know what the culprit is

sammy 03-06-2010 6:58 PM

That looks like it was way overcharged. I have seen Blazer cases laying around the range that have had case failures. It is right at the base of the case. Most of the ones I have found have a pin hole size leak for lack of a better word. I am sure the shooter had no idea it even happened. Glad you are OK and the gun was strong enough to contain the gasses. We have all seen lots of kabooms where the frame is blown apart. I would contact CCI and ask them to replace your pistol. It was clearly a failure of their product. Sammy

jdmacl 03-06-2010 8:07 PM

Wow! Glad you managed to come out OK. I'm not surprised your hand feels a little rattled, not to mention your nerves.

I own several metal framed semi-autos (Ruger and Sig). With all due respect to Walther, Glock and all plastic framed owners, what do you suppose the effects would have been with an all metal gun?

gordyboard02 03-06-2010 8:10 PM

wow definitely let us know who ends up taking care of this for you!

Glock-matic 03-06-2010 8:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdmacl (Post 3917143)
Wow! Glad you managed to come out OK. I'm not surprised your hand feels a little rattled, not to mention your nerves.

I own several metal framed semi-autos (Ruger and Sig). With all due respect to Walther, Glock and all plastic framed owners, what do you suppose the effects would have been with an all metal gun?

If you took the grips off of your metal frame pistol you would realize how little protection there really is. The plastic used in polymer frames is really strong and doesn't tend to splinter like wood. 1911's in 45 auto aren't to spectacular, but a 1911 38 super going boom is another story.

CalNRA 03-06-2010 8:27 PM

reason # 124,438 why I refuse to buy any pistol in .40.

Things that are not biggies in 9mm or 45auto becomes dangerous with the pressure level of the .40sw.

Good luck with the warranty situation.

ojisan 03-06-2010 8:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sammy (Post 3916778)
That looks like it was way overcharged. I have seen Blazer cases laying around the range that have had case failures. It is right at the base of the case. Most of the ones I have found have a pin hole size leak for lack of a better word. I am sure the shooter had no idea it even happened. Glad you are OK and the gun was strong enough to contain the gasses. We have all seen lots of kabooms where the frame is blown apart. I would contact CCI and ask them to replace your pistol. It was clearly a failure of their product. Sammy

:yes:
Ammo problem caused the gun problem.

JohnnyC 03-06-2010 8:44 PM

Wow! At least your not injured.

five.five-six 03-06-2010 8:50 PM

yes, that primer pocket looks toasted, way overcharged, IMO

TheSorb 03-06-2010 9:03 PM

Bummer, dude...glad you're ok. Hopefully Blazer will do right by you...please keep us posted.;)

Sheldon 03-06-2010 9:16 PM

Could be an overcharge or bullet set-back which would raise pressures drammatically as well.

Turbinator 03-06-2010 9:48 PM

The only thing you can do is call up Walther to see what it would cost to get your frame replaced, and the whole gun checked out. The barrel / slide would need to be carefully inspected as well. I am not personally familiar with Walther's warranty policies, but so far from what you've disclosed and from what people have diagnosed, it sounds like an ammo problem. You may want to see if CCI will do anything to help you out. Good think you were not hurt!

Turby

Glock-matic 03-06-2010 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CalNRA (Post 3917252)
reason # 124,438 why I refuse to buy any pistol in .40.

Things that are not biggies in 9mm or 45auto becomes dangerous with the pressure level of the .40sw.

Good luck with the warranty situation.

40's are loaded to around 55kPSI, as is the 9mm, 10mm, 357 sig, 357 mag, and 44 mag. As many 40's that are out there, there are relatively few mishaps. I think you stand a better chance of getting struck by lightning and falling on top of a winning lotto ticket than having a KB with factory ammo or your own quality reloads.

Nothing wrong with the 45, but a 40 makes a lot of sense for a defensive round. Good size holes and more rounds in the stack.

lunde 03-06-2010 10:51 PM

The lack of proofmarks suggests that your Walther P99 Military is one of the ones that had slides and barrels made by Smith & Wesson. See: http://lundestudio.com/WaltherP99FAQ/IX/5.html and http://lundestudio.com/WaltherP99FAQ/IX/8.html

I doubt that this was the reason for the kaboom, but it is a point of interest for me.

luckystrike 03-06-2010 11:32 PM

other than brass problem.

asheron2 03-07-2010 9:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lunde (Post 3917953)
The lack of proofmarks suggests that your Walther P99 Military is one of the ones that had slides and barrels made by Smith & Wesson. See: http://lundestudio.com/WaltherP99FAQ/IX/5.html and http://lundestudio.com/WaltherP99FAQ/IX/8.html

I doubt that this was the reason for the kaboom, but it is a point of interest for me.

Awesome infor, after looking over my Walther and checking the SN# it is definately one of the few S&W made .40's.

Thanks, they will definately be getting a call now. Hopefully they act as a standup company and replace the gun for me without a hassle.

360PA 03-07-2010 9:12 AM

Yikes, if it is the cause, that's kind of ironic that SW made slides/barrels that didn't stand up to a round that carries their namesake...

X-NewYawker 03-07-2010 9:22 AM

There were a rash of police department GLOCK 21 blowups (google "catastrophic failure" and "Glock 21" and you'll see them) because the glock has an un-supported chamber -- it looks like the unsupported chamber in the Walther and the "weaker" case didn't get along.

f33dback 03-07-2010 9:27 AM

Glad you came out of it OK, now I am a little paranoid about the 500 rounds of 45 ACP blazer I have.

Fishslayer 03-07-2010 9:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glock-matic (Post 3917185)
If you took the grips off of your metal frame pistol you would realize how little protection there really is. The plastic used in polymer frames is really strong and doesn't tend to splinter like wood. 1911's in 45 auto aren't to spectacular, but a 1911 38 super going boom is another story.

My Ruger P90's grip is just a metal skeleton that the grips go over.

.45ACP is an inherently low pressure round. I'm not too concerned. I don't use aluminum ammo & my handloads are so light the Ruger just might survive a double charge.

I really think a pistol should have a hammer...:rolleyes:

AJD 03-07-2010 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glock-matic (Post 3917937)
40's are loaded to around 55kPSI, as is the 9mm, 10mm, 357 sig, 357 mag, and 44 mag. As many 40's that are out there, there are relatively few mishaps. I think you stand a better chance of getting struck by lightning and falling on top of a winning lotto ticket than having a KB with factory ammo or your own quality reloads.

Actually none of the cartridges you listed are loaded to 55kPSI. Most 9mm, .40S&W and .357 mag ammo are loaded below 35k PSI. But you are correct that the .40S&W isn't a drastically higher pressure cartridge than 9mm. I also agree that the number of mishaps is usually pretty rare. Though that's not consolation to the OP. I'm just glad he's o.k.

Even with 9mm being a high pressure round, KBs are almost unheard (yes there have been some) compared to other calibers. I've actually heard of more with .45 ACP which is not a high pressure round. Whether it's the fact that it has increased case capacity and it's much easier to overcharge the case I don't know.


Quote:

There were a rash of police department GLOCK 21 blowups (google "catastrophic failure" and "Glock 21" and you'll see them) because the glock has an un-supported chamber --
Well, that's not entirely true. The most famous G21 KBs, the infamous Portland PD guns, were determined by an independent lab to be caused by faulty factory federal ammunition. Go to the bottom of the page and read the links in the HP White reports. There are 3 PDF documents from the lab conclusively indicating it was caused by faulty ammunition.

http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/ppb.html

Glock-matic 03-07-2010 2:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJD (Post 3919789)
Actually none of the cartridges you listed are loaded to 55kPSI. Most 9mm, .40S&W and .357 mag ammo are loaded below 35k PSI. But you are correct that the .40S&W isn't a drastically higher pressure cartridge than 9mm. I also agree that the number of mishaps is usually pretty rare. Though that's not consolation to the OP. I'm just glad he's o.k.

Even with 9mm being a high pressure round, KBs are almost unheard (yes there have been some) compared to other calibers. I've actually heard of more with .45 ACP which is not a high pressure round. Whether it's the fact that it has increased case capacity and it's much easier to overcharge the case I don't know.

http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/ppb.html

Your right, I typoed, meant to say 35kPSi. My point is that the 40 isn't out of line with any other cartridge. The only issue I have come to find is regarding setback from repeated chambering, other than that it is good to go. I have seen a couple of M9s go, but those were due to bbl blockages.

Having worked at a gun store that did rentals, I was amazed to see only one KB, and that was due to cheap reloads. I remember pounding 6 out 50 out of a 44 spec revolver, but I digress. During IPSC competition, I have seen one 40 go and 3 38 Supers. But I digress, no one should be afraid to shoot a 40 as I don't think it is any riskier to sheet than any other caliber.

J-cat 03-07-2010 2:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 360PA (Post 3919031)
Yikes, if it is the cause, that's kind of ironic that SW made slides/barrels that didn't stand up to a round that carries their namesake...

Have you seen the pics?

How did the barrel/slide fail?


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