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wildcard 01-10-2010 6:14 PM

BOHICA KABOOM at Angeles 01/10/10 BOLT HANDLE PIC ADDED.
 
The Rifle:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...c/IMG_0041.jpg

PICTURE OF THE BOLT HANDLE ADDED ON POST #233

The Ammo:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...c/IMG_0047.jpg

The tool allegedly used to close the bolt at some point: (Edited to add that the shooter used his palm when this incident occurred)
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...c/IMG_0045.jpg

The End Results:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...c/IMG_0049.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...c/IMG_0051.jpg

THIS PART IS A LITTLE GRAPHIC!

The Consequence:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...c/IMG_0042.jpg


I didn't take pictures of the shooter out of respect for their privacy.. but his hands/arms were injured pretty badly. He was obviously in tremendous pain as he and his buddies waited quite a while for paramedics. Are paramedics/EMTs supposed to take their sweet time when walking onsite?

Anyhow.. I was told that the shooter(s) often times used a hammer to close the bolt. Feel sorry for the pain and damage the shooter had to endure.. but that's the potential consequence of improper reloading and firearm use.

Jwood562 01-10-2010 6:17 PM

HOLY *****

that is all I can say right now

Vtec44 01-10-2010 6:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wildcard (Post 3620184)
Anyhow.. I was told that the shooter(s) often times used a hammer to close the bolt.

Say what??? :eek:

Guns R Tools 01-10-2010 6:20 PM

Wow, that is bad but could have been worse.

BroncoBob 01-10-2010 6:21 PM

Hope all works out OK for him.

1919_4_ME 01-10-2010 6:22 PM

Wow! Hope he recovers quickly...

SlushPup 01-10-2010 6:23 PM

ohh boy...

a hammer?

diegodog2 01-10-2010 6:23 PM

My uncle was 25 feet away and said the shooter did some major damage to his right hand:shock:

thefinger 01-10-2010 6:24 PM

omfg

he had to use a hammer to close the bolt!? thats something i'd never do, but we all do dumb stuff sometimes without thinking it through. hate to see a fellow shooter get injured like that.

Linus 01-10-2010 6:24 PM

a hammer for what!?

1919_4_ME 01-10-2010 6:26 PM

Whoa is that the firing pin piercing out the side of that buffer tube?

WokMaster1 01-10-2010 6:31 PM

Look at the buffer tube on the ACE stock. I hope the guy is OK.

pacrimguru 01-10-2010 6:31 PM

i hope the shooter is okay. OP, just to clarify, did this happen when he hammered the bolt closed or when he was firing?

sumdood 01-10-2010 6:33 PM

I wonder what those numbers on the shell casings represent? The powder charge?

1919_4_ME 01-10-2010 6:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sumdood (Post 3620310)
I wonder what those numbers on the shell casings represent? The powder charge?

Yea that looks like the grains in each round. He may have been doing some testing and working up some load tests.

EBR Works 01-10-2010 6:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sumdood (Post 3620310)
I wonder what those numbers on the shell casings represent? The powder charge?

Looks like .50 DTC. Those numbers would be consistent with powder charges for this round. Looks like he was working up a load.

This is an example of absolutely what NOT to do with any weapon, especially .50 since it has enough energy to kill the shooter and anyone in close proximity. Just plain dumb!

I hope he recovers, but someone needs to have a serious conversation with this guy.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g3...etaljacket.jpg

As to the item protruding from the tube, that is the firing pin. I have seen someone break the tiny little E clip that holds the BOHICA firing pin in place. A completely inadequate design, IMO.

Oh...and then he used duct tape to try to fix it, locking up the bolt when he fired it. Looks like Darwin is alive and well in the BOHICA owner's community.

Sick Boy 01-10-2010 6:45 PM

Ok, so what exactly happened?

Did a round cook off half into the chamber? Or was it over pressure?

CSACANNONEER 01-10-2010 6:49 PM

50 shooters often times have a hammer ready in case they need it to OPEN the bolt AFTER a round has FIRED. In this case, the shooter obviously did not know what he was doing. In any event, I hope and pray that he'll make a full recovery.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sick Boy (Post 3620376)
Ok, so what exactly happened?

Did a round cook off half into the chamber? Or was it over pressure?

It appears that it was an OOBD. It could have been caused by any one of several reasons such as a high primer, a stuck firing pin, etc. Let's not speculate too much. It won't do anyone any good.

1919_4_ME 01-10-2010 6:54 PM

Sometimes if you your bolt is hard to close with a round in the chamber you can use the "palm" of your hand to give it a light tap and that usually is enough to close the bolt all the way. If you cannot close it using your palm then the round needs to come out. Usually if this occurs the shoulder of the case in not formed correctly to your chamber or your round is not the correct length which will cause the bolt not close all the way...

NSR500 01-10-2010 6:55 PM

Hopefully the guy is alright, but let it be a lesson to everyone not to use a BFH on your guns.
That reminds me of the AR15 kaboom where the guy kept slamming on the forward assist to chamber the rounds. If you have to use the FA like that on an AR, something is wrong.

BamBam-31 01-10-2010 6:55 PM

Round fired w/o the bolt being 100% closed. Him hammering the bolt caused an out of battery explosion of considerable magnitude.

I hope he isn't too badly hurt. Prayers for his full and speedy recovery.

B Strong 01-10-2010 7:02 PM

I don't even know how to respond - the guy was using a hammer to get the bolt closed?

I hope the guy isn't hurt too badly, and finds another hobby.

bombadillo 01-10-2010 7:03 PM

Where'd the bolt handle end up? What exactly got hurt? face, hands, arms or what??!!??

EBR Works 01-10-2010 7:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bombadillo (Post 3620474)
Where'd the bolt handle end up?


The bolt handle is on the bench in the lower right of the 4th photo. It's pure luck that the handle or the extractor wasn't launched into an adjacent shooter.

bigcalidave 01-10-2010 7:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B Strong (Post 3620468)
I hope the guy isn't hurt too badly, and finds another hobby.

+100

If you lose common sense, shooting sports aren't the best choice.

killshot44 01-10-2010 7:10 PM

Jeebus Fiest......

I can only imagine what his right hand must look like (and feel).

Dumb or not, you hate to see that happen to somebody.

Makes me think of the signature line someone on here has. It goes something like: "Reloading, think of it like a math test where if you get the answer wrong you lose a hand"

Gio 01-10-2010 7:18 PM

That is just wow! I hope this guy picks up a new hobby and that he recovers soon. :eek:

-Gio

pacrimguru 01-10-2010 7:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by killshot44 (Post 3620512)
Makes me think of the signature line someone on here has. It goes something like: "Reloading, think of it like a math test where if you get the answer wrong you lose a hand"

i'm horrible at math. i'm never going to pick up reloading.

jrau13 01-10-2010 7:23 PM

Yikes!

caduckgunner 01-10-2010 7:23 PM

I'll wait to pass judgment until either the shooter post up what happened (if he is a member here), but I do hope he has a speedy recovery.

CSACANNONEER 01-10-2010 7:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by killshot44 (Post 3620512)
Jeebus Fiest......

I can only imagine what his right hand must look like (and feel).

Dumb or not, you hate to see that happen to somebody.

Makes me think of the signature line someone on here has. It goes something like: "Reloading, think of it like a math test where if you get the answer wrong you lose a hand"

It probably wasn't his math skills that caused the OOBD. More than likely, it was his lack of knowledge about how to use his firearm safely. Even "factory" 50BMG ammo can be hard to chamber. So, there is a small possibility that his reloading practices were completely proper and safe.

wilit 01-10-2010 7:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wildcard (Post 3620184)
I didn't take pictures of the shooter out of respect for their privacy.. but his hands/arms were injured pretty badly. He was obviously in tremendous pain as he and his buddies waited quite a while for paramedics. Are paramedics/EMTs supposed to take their sweet time when walking onsite?

Yes, EMT's are trained to WALK while on scene. If you take a CPR class they will teach you this too. The last thing you want is a first responder running into a situation they have no idea what they will encounter. You most certainly don't want the EMT to slip in a pool of blood while running and breaking an arm. Now if you're the guy bleeding, you're SOL.

Josh3239 01-10-2010 7:35 PM

That is what I was going to post. If you need to use a little something extra to close the bolt whether it is a hammer or a forward assist then there is something wrong. The fact that the round won't chamber is a clear warning that something is wrong.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NSR500 (Post 3620436)
Hopefully the guy is alright, but let it be a lesson to everyone not to use a BFH on your guns.
That reminds me of the AR15 kaboom where the guy kept slamming on the forward assist to chamber the rounds. If you have to use the FA like that on an AR, something is wrong.


tdaughg 01-10-2010 7:37 PM

and this is why i need to learn to shoot my rifles right handed. its better to lose a non-dominant hand than my head...

nitrofc 01-10-2010 7:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1919_4_ME (Post 3620261)
Whoa is that the firing pin piercing out the side of that buffer tube?

Things ya don't see everyday...:no:

Hope the guy has a fast recovery.

Mstnpete 01-10-2010 7:49 PM

They have case gauges for .50 calibers. If he had one of these it would have helped him. A case gauge is a very important tool to have when reloading!
I have case gauges for all the ammo I reload. Simple way to test the ammo if it fits. That was a major mistake trying to fit a non fitting bullet.
The easiest way for him to test is by opening his rifle in half and testing the reloaded ammo by dropping it in the barrel for fitting test. At least no firing pin to deal with.

Here's a case gauge for the .50 : Case gages allow you to check your Rifle & Pistol ammunition to ensure it will fit a minimum sized chamber

http://www.sinclairintl.com/product/...eadspace-Tools

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/amgguy/WG-l.jpg




Just my 2 cents. It is very sad to learn the dangerous way!
I hope he recovers quick.

killshot44 01-10-2010 7:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSACANNONEER (Post 3620578)
It probably wasn't his math skills that caused the OOBD. More than likely, it was his lack of knowledge about how to use his firearm safely.

I didn't say it was his reloading that got him into trouble......just that the event reminded me of someones tag-line. Big difference.

pingpong 01-10-2010 7:51 PM

Damn, that's insane. What exactly happened to the shooter?

Sydwaiz 01-10-2010 7:54 PM

Your supposed to "fire form" .50 DTC. NOT HAMMER FORGE.

But this comes to mind. Anyone remember this Bugs Bunny cartoon?

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/h...2_restored.jpg
"You have to hit it just right"

Stormfeather 01-10-2010 7:57 PM

Pic 5 shows the base of the 50 cal case hidden behind the bolt, where it blew out of battery. I had this happen to one of my soldiers over in Iraq. It was literally like a laser cut the brass case in half. The remaining portion of it was left in the chamber. Looks same here. Man, stupid does hurt.


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