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hoffmang 02-26-2009 2:30 PM

Underground Regulation: Non Rosterable Frames
 
All,

Just dispatched by courier is this petition to the Office of Administrative Law showing that it is an underground regulation to claim that the frame or receiver of a handgun is an "unsafe handgun" under California Law.

The OAL generally takes about 60 days to determine whether they will review the underground regulation petition or not so stay tuned.

-Gene

PolishMike 02-26-2009 2:31 PM

first in a big thread.


Hope this works out in our favor

EDIT: So I take it this puts NeRFs on hold for a long while?

Cypren 02-26-2009 2:48 PM

Beautiful. I had never noticed that 12125 wasn't listed in 12001(c) -- that's a brilliant find.

G17GUY 02-26-2009 2:50 PM

:D Thats some damn good news!

So was DOJ already notified but refuse to respond?

sierratangofoxtrotunion 02-26-2009 2:50 PM

And so it starts. :D

alexander 02-26-2009 2:54 PM

That was worth the two week wait. Thanks Gene.

nat 02-26-2009 2:57 PM

Good stuff!

FreshTapCoke 02-26-2009 2:58 PM

This forum is one of the most amazing things I've ever had the pleasure of being involved with.

leelaw 02-26-2009 2:59 PM

So I wonder how many "they're not doing anything about NRFs!!" guys will eat their words now.


<crickets>

Good job, CGF.

383green 02-26-2009 3:15 PM

Great job!

I wonder if you can clarify one point: Is the preparation and dispatch of this petition the only thing that was delaying the first NeRF transfers, or will y'all still be waiting for the OAL response?

PolishMike 02-26-2009 3:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leelaw (Post 2091311)
So I wonder how many "they're not doing anything about NRFs!!" guys will eat their words now.


<crickets>

Good job, CGF.


Can you explain in "lay-terms" what this means to us and why it took several months?

hoffmang 02-26-2009 3:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G17GUY (Post 2091271)
So was DOJ already notified but refuse to respond?

When they basically didn't wish to discuss or consider a non hard line with the Capacity to Accept regulation, I took that to mean that waiting for them to respond on the NRF items wouldn't be worth the delay.

I'll post up the PRAR timelines and communications that lead to this filing when I have a chance. They are amusing. Right now I've got some other things to take care of.

-Gene

yellowfin 02-26-2009 3:18 PM

How good is the OAL in dealing with such matters? Are they reliable to not have any buddy buddying with the BoF?

hoffmang 02-26-2009 3:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 383green (Post 2091370)
I wonder if you can clarify one point: Is the preparation and dispatch of this petition the only thing that was delaying the first NeRF transfers, or will y'all still be waiting for the OAL response?

We have a CGF board meeting tonight. As you can see we've been a bit preoccupied getting the two petitions together so we'll have that plan though through and announced shortly.

Short answer: dunno at this exact second but will know very soon.

-Gene

hoffmang 02-26-2009 3:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yellowfin2 (Post 2091392)
How good is the OAL in dealing with such matters? Are they reliable to not have any buddy buddying with the BoF?

They were very effective to deal with on our first petition. You should have confidence they will handle this fairly.

-Gene

gd-bh 02-26-2009 3:22 PM

However it turns out, "thank you" for the obviously large effort that went into this and the other petition. Let's hope that the "good guys" win this one, and send the anti's into a hasty retreat.

383green 02-26-2009 3:22 PM

Thanks for the clarification, Gene. I'm not in a hurry... I was just curious.

Also, my eyes pop wide open when you say things like "Right now I've got some other things to take care of". Ok, that could mean that you have to go feed the dogs, fix a clogged drain, etc., but somehow I think you're casually arming another legal nuke to lob at our enemies... :D

G17GUY 02-26-2009 3:23 PM

This is awsome, good job!

Fedge 02-26-2009 3:31 PM

Thank you, Gene, for all the hard work you and the CGF do for us. I can think of no more honorable act then restoring our rights here in California and you've done an absolutely outstanding job of helping all of us defend our rights. I shall (continue to) support calguns and the CGF as you pave the way forward.

Thanks.

bwiese 02-26-2009 3:32 PM

Gene and I would be willing to NeRF even now, but to truly make things work en masse we need to do things right.

Thus, this drama came to pass: we thought it would be avoidable or be sorted quickly but it escalated instead.

hoffmang 02-26-2009 3:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 383green (Post 2091414)
Also, my eyes pop wide open when you say things like "Right now I've got some other things to take care of". Ok, that could mean that you have to go feed the dogs, fix a clogged drain, etc., but somehow I think you're casually arming another legal nuke to lob at our enemies... :D

"What digital timer device deemed 'defense articles'' are you referring to officer?"

:reddevil:

-Gene

blackberg 02-26-2009 3:41 PM

Looks good :thumbsup:

-bb

yellowfin 02-26-2009 4:11 PM

Indeed it is fine work. Many thanks for your excellent effort and attention to detail. Now, to make some more cash to take part in this marvelous revolution...

avidone 02-26-2009 4:15 PM

Thank you so much!

Ford8N 02-26-2009 4:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwiese (Post 2091460)
Gene and I would be willing to NeRF even now, but to truly make things work en masse we need to do things right.

Thus, this drama came to pass: we thought it would be avoidable or be sorted quickly but it escalated instead.

So "they" want to fight it out at the OAL. I guess that makes sense since a certain employee is a puppet of the Brady group.

wolf13 02-26-2009 4:25 PM

Good news!

tgriffin 02-26-2009 6:43 PM

Gene...Bill...The Right People...Gods. 'nuff said

Hopi 02-26-2009 6:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ford8N (Post 2091677)
So "they" want to fight it out at the OAL. I guess that makes sense since a certain employee is a puppet of the Brady group.

and what a fun opponent she's been......as Gene has said "she's the gift that keeps on giving."

damon1272 02-26-2009 6:59 PM

Gene and Bill, you are truly EVIL people....in the State's eye. You are definetly an asset to us though! Thanks for your good work!

CapS 02-26-2009 7:26 PM

You guys are:King:just awesome.

/Cap

dfletcher 02-26-2009 7:27 PM

If I were on the other side I would not like us. :nono:

yellowfin 02-26-2009 7:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dfletcher (Post 2092652)
If I were on the other side I would not like us. :nono:

They are completely free to take a 100 foot bungee jump with a 150 foot cord.

cal_ar_shooter 02-26-2009 8:20 PM

Thank you for all the hard work you have done for us here.:D

thedrickel 02-26-2009 8:23 PM

Damn I knew I should have written down Rickel, Zed, NMN

on that 4473!

CHS 02-26-2009 8:54 PM

This thread makes me happy in many many ways :)

RRangel 02-26-2009 9:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ford8N (Post 2091677)
So "they" want to fight it out at the OAL. I guess that makes sense since a certain employee is a puppet of the Brady group.

Don't forget LCAV.

hoffmang 02-26-2009 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedrickel (Post 2093002)
Damn I knew I should have written down Rickel, Zed, NMN

on that 4473!

A hat tip to the man who scanned.

I used to want Alison gone. Now I don't want her to ever leave...

Thanks Alison :thumbsup:

-Gene

trashman 02-26-2009 10:12 PM

Exciting stuff guys - a good reminder that sometimes the insurgents wear business suits and really nice Florsheims!

--Neill

Quiet 02-26-2009 10:31 PM

:iggy2:

oaklander 02-26-2009 10:49 PM

The side effect to all of this is that Alison will soon develop a phobia when it comes to getting (1) FEDEX letters, and (2) emails from anyone on the CGF.

:)


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