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ElecksT7 11-08-2016 2:10 AM

Need a lawyer recommendation
 
Hey whatsup all. I would like to know someone that they recommend to talk about a situation. I don't have much for the retainer and honestly not sure if it's worth the trouble. So a fellow enthusiast in that field would be cool that could understand. I am not that new to the forum just new account. On a cell phone so not all the advertisments came up.

Garv 11-08-2016 2:13 AM

Location?
A brief summary of your problem would help.

ElecksT7 11-08-2016 2:14 AM

Los Angeles area. Property seizure. San Fernando to be exact.

ElecksT7 11-08-2016 2:16 AM

I myself am located in downtown but have no trouble driving. Anywhere really. I'm not sure how to summarize without describing.

hardlyworking 11-08-2016 4:32 AM

The (free, just send them a self addressed stamped envelope) card I carry in my wallet is for Michel & Associates out of Long Beach

(562) 216-4444

They are Firearms and Criminal Defense specialists (among other things) and if I had to give my $$ to any law firm I would chose them.

Snoop Doggy Dawg 11-08-2016 5:22 AM

Chuck Michel is a tool. Call Jason Davis.

glockman19 11-08-2016 6:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ElecksT7 (Post 19117407)
Los Angeles area. Property seizure. San Fernando to be exact.

Was a Standard Capacity Magazine seized?

ElecksT7 11-08-2016 9:30 AM

A lot was seized. And there was 30 round magazines in the cases from my time in the marines.

novabrian 11-08-2016 4:51 PM

Call the NRA.My buddy got a Lawyer from there once.

SCMA-1 01-01-2017 1:19 AM

Bruce Colodny:

http://gunlaw.com/

wolfwood 01-01-2017 1:22 AM

jon birdt
Address: 18252 Bermuda St, Porter Ranch, CA 91326
Phone: (818) 400-4485

eaglemike 01-01-2017 7:45 AM

Jason Davis

franklinarmory 01-02-2017 5:02 AM

Jason Davis is the man you want. 949-436-4867

jimx 01-02-2017 7:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ElecksT7 (Post 19118787)
A lot was seized. And there was 30 round magazines in the cases from my time in the marines.

One of the contradictions is that while it is legal to own 30 rounders, the law also says that they are a nuisance and can be confiscated and destroyed. There is nothing you can do to get your mags back.

santamonica9 02-22-2017 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Snoop Doggy Dawg (Post 19117594)
Chuck Michel is a tool. Call Jason Davis.

agreed michel & his crew of attorneys are lying thieves, i dont trust them anymore. Ive heard good things about Brian Nussbaum. I dont know jason davis but Im sure he would still be better than michel

TurboChrisB 02-22-2017 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Snoop Doggy Dawg (Post 19117594)
Chuck Michel is a tool. Call Jason Davis.

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Originally Posted by santamonica9 (Post 19718531)
agreed michel & his crew of attorneys are lying thieves, i dont trust them anymore. Ive heard good things about Brian Nussbaum. I dont know jason davis but Im sure he would still be better than michel

If you guys are gonna throw out accusations like these.....a little explanation is in order. I for one would want to know more as if there's ANY truth to it...it's important info.

Calico1404 02-23-2017 4:52 AM

Xs2 on the reason behind the negative publicity.

EBR Works 02-23-2017 4:58 AM

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Originally Posted by franklinarmory (Post 19429075)
Jason Davis is the man you want. 949-436-4867

This. The man to call.

pzbike 02-23-2017 7:17 AM

My family and I will be forever grateful for the representation received from Michel & Associates. Firearms or otherwise, an excellent firm. If you are a stand up individual, they will go to great lengths to help you. They will be an excellent judge of your character.
Please don't impune the reputation of a man who has dedicated his life to defending our 2A rights. Thank you.

pacrat 02-23-2017 1:59 PM

I myself, am a very opinionated individual. Whether posting a positive, or a negative, opinion. I try and give at least a brief summary of facts as I see them. That my opinion is based on.

:oji:

Wherryj 03-16-2017 4:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Snoop Doggy Dawg (Post 19117594)
Chuck Michel is a tool. Call Jason Davis.

I'm not sure what that comes from, but Michel, Davis and in the SF bay area Kilmer all seem to have great reputations for firearms issues.

Wherryj 03-16-2017 4:06 PM

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Originally Posted by franklinarmory (Post 19429075)
Jason Davis is the man you want. 949-436-4867

(If you're buying an AR, Franklin is the one you want!)

Socratic 04-02-2017 9:46 AM

The best way to find a good trail lawyer is to ask a good trial lawyer who he'd hire were he to need one. In fact, ask as many trial lawyers as you can. If one name is repeated by many trial lawyers, find him.

Be very careful of lawyers who call themselves "firearms experts". There is no Cal Bar designation of firearms expert. Any lawyer can call himself a firearms expert.

Walk away from any lawyer who gives you a guarantee.

Be careful of lawyers who mouth off case decisions, precedents, and verbatim BS. It's all fluff and devoid of substance. They haven't left law school even though they've graduated during Truman's Administration. Self-embelishment is to get you to believe that he's a sharp dude. A trial lawyer is what you want, not an office jockey who's rarely in a courtroom and has never tried a case. They're paper pushers. That's not what you need. A real deal trial attorney will never embellish. He won't have to embellish. He'll be 100% confident in his ability to work a courtroom during trial. He'll not attempt to impress you by citing case law. He'll know that you won't know it. And knowing case law is a tiny part of the equation. I could get a parrot to recite case law. Ability to apply case law is a very distinguishing metric that separates those who barely scratch out a living and lawyers who command 500 bucks an hour and more.

A real deal trial lawyer won't baffle you with BS or self-promotion. He won't be intimidated by prosecutors. Don't be afraid to ask him how many actual trials (not hearings or other court appearances) he's done. He'll have lost more that he's won because 99% of his clients were guilty, and the state has a HUGE advantage. Hence, a "fair trial" exists only in the abstract. How could a factually innocent defendant compete against as many prosecutors as a DA wants to assign to a case, their access to DA investigators who do not have to do a damned thing for any defendant, and the arresting police agency that has unlimited resources? He can't. His only hope is a jury of his peers, which is why a so-called professional jury is dangerous to liberty. If a grand jury would indict a ham sandwich, a professional jury will convict it.

I've seen the name of a lawyer who was recommended in this thread. I was told by a real deal trial attorney who has done very high profile trials and has represented other lawyers and judges that that lawyer is a moron. The recommended lawyer calls himself a firearms expert, but he's expert in self-promotion. From what I was told, I wouldn't use him for a leash law citation.

Law school can be an important factor when searching for a trial lawyer, but it's not always definitive. I know of a handful of top tier law school graduates. One graduated from a law school that's ranked about twelfth. I'll politely say that he has problems that prevent him from making the grade. Some third tier law school graduates have a lot of trial experience if they have worked as public defenders or prosecutors. These guys are usually Cal Bar Certified Criminal Law Specialists, which is handy to know but not necessarily definitive. Even lawyers who've lost every case they've tried can qualify as a Certified Criminal Law Specialist. Many top tier law school graduates wind up at high end law firms where they earn millions every year advising corporate clients on laws that they've helped enact, so they can justify taking money from clients for doing nothing and calling it legal advice.

Many, many years ago I found out who I'd call were I to need a criminal defense attorney. He has graduated from a top tier law school. His name is not mentioned in this thread. He does many high profile cases, many in federal court. He's humble. Yet when he's around other lawyers, they show him subtle deference. He wears a suit only for court. When most lawyers walk into a courtroom, most of the players don't acknowledge him. When he walks into a courtroom, he's acknowledged, even by judges. Other attorneys and judges know that his clients are of substantial means, although he has donated his considerable skills. His fees are substantial; his skill are substantial. I'd guess that nearly all of his clients are referred to him by other lawyers or by clients he's represented. He's the kind of lawyer you'll need.

My advice is to not wait until you need a trial lawyer to find one. Know long before who the best is. Never rely on friends and relatives for lawyer advice. Always ask other trial lawyers who they most respect and would hire. He'll be the lawyer you'll want. And stay the holy heck away from self-promoting "firearms experts". The trial lawyer you want will not self-promote anything. He doesn't have to self-promote. His reputation and referrals from other trial lawyers is all he'll need to establish his expertise.

unusedusername 04-02-2017 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by santamonica9 (Post 19718531)
agreed michel & his crew of attorneys are lying thieves, i dont trust them anymore. Ive heard good things about Brian Nussbaum. I dont know jason davis but Im sure he would still be better than michel

??? Brian Nussbaum is a gun dealer in burlingame. He isn't a lawyer. :confused:

You should probably explain your position on Chuck Michel. He has done a lot of good for CA gun owners over the years, and shouldn't be slandered without justification.

Dirk Tungsten 04-06-2017 7:14 PM

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Originally Posted by nadynn (Post 19925521)
First question: What's your location? I have some good recommendations on a lawyer in Toronto and Ottawa. Feel free to pm me anyway:)

Spammer?

kyle2086 04-08-2017 2:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Socratic (Post 19906495)
The best way to find a good trail lawyer is to ask a good trial lawyer who he'd hire were he to need one. In fact, ask as many trial lawyers as you can. If one name is repeated by many trial lawyers, find him.

This, and everything else you said is outstanding advice, aavo also provides some insight to what you're paying for, although like any online review there's going to be people who had unreasonable expectations and such, but it's just another piece of the puzzle, in my case I used it to look up a guy just to see how he is with his clients, and we got along just fine.

rogervzv 04-08-2017 7:58 AM

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Originally Posted by hardlyworking (Post 19117511)
The (free, just send them a self addressed stamped envelope) card I carry in my wallet is for Michel & Associates out of Long Beach

(562) 216-4444

They are Firearms and Criminal Defense specialists (among other things) and if I had to give my $$ to any law firm I would chose them.

These are good people and have a genuine passion for Second Amendment rights.

sarabellum 04-08-2017 10:42 AM

http://www.thebloomfirm.com/lawyer/jivaka-candappa-esq/

However, if you are low income and were charged with a crime, you are entitled to public defender.

Snoop Doggy Dawg 04-09-2017 9:52 AM

as to michel, consider the company he keeps- his wife is a DA who prosecutes gun cases in the insane way only the county of LA can and his former partner and mentor when on to be the city attorney who participated in some horrible 2a positions. then look at the man himself, he is a parrot for whoever is willing to pay his bill, but as soon as he made it to the show he choked and was immediately subbed out...not sure I need any more facts to justify the tool reference, but there are plenty. As you see above, Jason Davis is recommended over and over without a single negative comment...so guess who you should call if you have a problem...

Socratic 04-13-2017 8:27 AM

How do Michel posters KNOW how good a trial attorney he is? How do they know how good trial attorneys in his firm are? My bet is they don't know. Most likely it's the bandwagon effect.

I can tell you that Michel ain't a blip on my radar were I to need a criminal trial attorney.

Snoop Doggy Dawg 04-13-2017 8:48 AM

Well anyone who listened to him argue Jackson knows how bad he is on his feet. Apparently the NRA was listening because they promptly replaced him with clement, but if bumbling Baffoon is your thing, by all means, call him.

Socratic 04-13-2017 10:19 AM

Snoop,

Most people have no clue of traits of a good trial lawyer. Most people jump aboard bandwagons.

Being charged with any crime is serious. Being charged with a felony could ruin a person's life.

I know a professional woman who was arrested for criminal threats. She has had her guns seized and destroyed. Her lawyer advised her to plead to disturbing the peace. She took the plea even though elements of criminal threats had not been met. I asked her why she took the plea. She thought it was an easy way to put the incident behind her. She had no clue of the potential consequences. Not only did she lose her guns, she might lose her professional license.

Had she come to me before she hired her lawyer, I'd of dialed her in with an excellent criminal trial attorney. I'd take odds that had she gone with him, she'd have her guns, no conviction, and wouldn't be in her current predicament of losing her professional license.

Not all lawyers are of equal ability. A "gun rights expert" is about as useless info as a lawyer can advertise.

Some lawyers ought to be disbarred for incompetence. But they are useful patsies for our justice system, especially at the appellate level.


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