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technique 07-13-2008 8:42 PM

AR pistol pic thread
 
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m24armorer 07-13-2008 8:59 PM

Ugly, it needs a AOW under the front.

technique 07-13-2008 9:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m24armorer (Post 1356823)
Ugly, it needs a AOW under the front.

And....how much would I owe you for that???:p

acheron800 07-13-2008 9:05 PM

More pics when I pickup next week!

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d3...rippa/asdf.jpg

FEDUPWBS 07-13-2008 9:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by technique (Post 1356828)
And....how much would I owe you for that???:p

M24 is not the hurt on that one. You need to contact Oaklander to have a trust setup so you can do NFA stuff. BTW as far as the tax stamp goes its only $5!.

technique 07-13-2008 9:24 PM

I know alllllllllll about the trust....but Oaklander huh????? good to know!

DJMAN 07-13-2008 10:57 PM

New one coming!!!!

AJAX22 07-13-2008 11:01 PM

I started paperwork on mine yesterday :D

I'm going to be loaning a pair of singe shot uppers to the shop so they can use them for transfers while I'm out of state.

I can't wait to post pics of it though.... I have some homeade ones, but this will be the first one I've purchased.

One Shot, One Dropped 07-13-2008 11:41 PM

Wait! So, they have to be single shot? Are you saying that they can't be semi-auto? What's the point of having a gun that you have to cock every shot? I thought you just had a semi-auto AR pistol.

acheron800 07-14-2008 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by One Shot, One Dropped (Post 1357229)
Wait! So, they have to be single shot? Are you saying that they can't be semi-auto? What's the point of having a gun that you have to cock every shot? I thought you just had a semi-auto AR pistol.

As far as I know, and what I have learned, when you dros it whether is be an 80% lower (drosd as a pistol), or a pistol receiver (complete), it has to single shot, there is no law that says you cannot have a 10 rd mag in it AFTER it is drosd as a single shot pistol. So basically dros it, document it, then have fun!

AJAX22 07-14-2008 12:03 AM

they have to be single shot at the time of transfer to avoid the drop safety test. ;)

once they are in your posession, there is no rule which states that they cannot be converted to semi auto

acheron800 07-14-2008 1:24 AM

Quick question...Does this apply to us in any way, especially the pistols being shown here..?

(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.

Or does this more refer to something like this?

http://www.militaryimages.net/photop.../531/TEC-9.JPG

69Mach1 07-14-2008 1:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acheron800 (Post 1357376)
Quick question...Does this apply to us in any way, especially the pistols being shown here..?

(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.

Don't forget the beginning.
A semi-automatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any of the following:

acheron800 07-14-2008 1:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 69Mach1 (Post 1357393)
Don't forget the beginning.
A semi-automatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any of the following:

10-4, its late...haha

Thanks!

kroniclove 07-14-2008 1:51 AM

i have one important question. WHERE CAN I BUY AN AR15 PISTOL????

69Mach1 07-14-2008 1:52 AM

Where are you located? PM me.

jeffyboy 07-15-2008 5:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJAX22 (Post 1357267)
they have to be single shot at the time of transfer to avoid the drop safety test. ;)

once they are in your posession, there is no rule which states that they cannot be converted to semi auto

It's ok to do this? I thought I read somewhere that you can't legally converted a single shot upper to a semi. Is that incorrect?

NeoWeird 07-17-2008 3:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FEDUPWBS (Post 1356867)
M24 is not the hurt on that one. You need to contact Oaklander to have a trust setup so you can do NFA stuff. BTW as far as the tax stamp goes its only $5!.

Not quite. It's $5 to transfer an AOW but still $200 to manufacturer one. So if you are going the trust route to fill out paperwork so you can add a pistol grip to the front of your pistol it will still cost you $200 for the tax stamp. Now if you were buying a completed pistol from a SOT then it would cost you just $5 to transfer it because they already paid the proper taxes when they manufactured it.

As for the AR pistols, there is no law that says a pistol HAS to stay in the configuration you bought it in. So in order to legally buy an AR pistol it has to be a complete single shot only pistol at the time of transfer. Once it is in your posession, it is your responsability to keep it configured in a way that is legal. Case in point, you can't go and put a threaded barrel on your 1911 as you would have created an AW. However, you can add a threaded barrel if you fix the magazine or permanently attach something to the threads. So once you take posession of the AR pistol you can do whatever you want to it, including fixing a 10 round magazine in place, as long as it doesn't break the law.

So yes they are legal. Yes the upper CAN be modified. They basically follow the same rules as OLL rifles except the lengths and there is no such thing as a featureless pistol build.

m24armorer 07-17-2008 10:31 PM

Almost right....

As a SOT we are tax exempt and dealer to dealer or 07 SOT is on a form 3. tax exempt.

We can configure your gun to AOW and transfer it back on a 5 buck stamp to your CA trust or Corp.

If you do it yourself you get the 200 dollar hit plus the time and the work.

Then again we don't work for free, but I'm sure we can save you money.

technique 07-18-2008 12:02 AM

I Know some one selling two lowers right now. You would have to provide the rest of the parts for DROS.

Mississippi 07-19-2008 12:18 AM

I may want one myself. But I would like a lower like yours. The gunsmith that built yours does GREAT custom work. ;)

acheron800 07-21-2008 8:46 PM

I picked up today, and went to the range, no sights which sucked but we only threw a few down her, it was awesome. Had a couple of lookie loos, but overall it was fun, planning on a red dot not to expensive I would say. But anyway Ill get some pictures.

Can any of you guys post links to the info needed to explain how our pistols are legal. I have all the programs, maybe I can make a sort of AR pistol flow chart??? Or something along those lines, like a flyer. I want to keep it in the gun case along with AW ID flowchart with my other rifle..Thanks!

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d3...a/P7210029.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d3...a/P7210032.jpg

acheron800 07-22-2008 6:01 PM

1 Attachment(s)
I made this to keep i w my pistol....

Anything else you guys think I should add to it?

Or take off?

Thanks

hmangabat 07-22-2008 9:17 PM

Can any one help me out in getting a ar15 pistol in the Sacramento area? My FFl dealer that i got my Lowers from Is not sure and new to the ar15 pistol thing?

Help!!!!

TheClap1 07-22-2008 10:05 PM

I'm also interested, how much are we talking about here? I'm in the Hollywood area.

69Mach1 07-22-2008 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheClap1 (Post 1379978)
I'm also interested, how much are we talking about here? I'm in the Hollywood area.

Basic set up runs about $900.

acheron800 07-30-2008 11:29 PM

With new eotech...

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d3...a/P7300056.jpg
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echoarms 07-31-2008 7:07 PM

I want to build a 22lr version. Two questions:
Has anyone in Orange County found a place that will transfer single shot pistols?

How would you make a 22lr upper single shot?

Guntech 07-31-2008 8:50 PM

Quote:

I want to build a 22lr version. Two questions:
Has anyone in Orange County found a place that will transfer single shot pistols?
Doesn't have to be single shot if its .22 cal, only restriction for .22 cal is 10 round mags.

Quote:

How would you make a 22lr upper single shot?
You could start by inventing one, I don't know of any .22 pistol uppers, and you would have to get a 1 round mag with a mag lock since they aren't gas operated

69Mach1 08-07-2008 9:53 AM

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j2...N/DSC03522.jpg

Still a top loader, soon to change. It's a fixed 10/30 with a 7.5 in barrel and a TruGlo red dot sight. I'm also waiting for my short pistol buffer tube.

TZL 08-07-2008 2:55 PM

Damm these AR-pistol pics are making me what an AR-pistol

How do i go about that? start with a stripped lower or buy a complete one?

I'm assuming that these need to be BB'd right?

Do i need some kind of tax stamp?

Thanks in advance,

TZL

AJAX22 08-07-2008 3:02 PM

Snorkie & Mr Wiggles

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u...7/S5001360.jpg

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u...7/S5001362.jpg

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u...7/S5001366.jpg

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u...7/S5001371.jpg

And a partially compleated so-so ar pistol

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u...7/DCP_0525.jpg

GMONEY 08-07-2008 3:06 PM

I would also like to know how to go about putting one of these together? Details please!!!

AJAX22 08-07-2008 3:43 PM

Do you want to make your own lower or do you just want to show up to a gunstore with a fistfull of cash and buy one right off the shelf?

either way it can be done.

GMONEY 08-07-2008 4:48 PM

Would like to make my own lower... Which ones can I get that will work?

AJAX22 08-07-2008 7:29 PM

I think you might be confusing making your own with assembling your own gmony.

If you make your own, you need to machine the lower yourself (or be physically present while all work is performed on it, helping out as best you can)

If you're buying the lower itself it needs to be drosed as a pistol in the state of CA. you can do that either by getting a PPT from a Law enforcement officer or a new resident who brings them from out of state (personal handun importer) or you can have them assembled as a single shot with a barrel over 6 inches and an overall length greater than 10.5 inches so as to qualify for the single shot expemption to the drop safety testing regulations.

TZL 08-07-2008 7:40 PM

If you go the single shot route, can you then convert it to semi-auto and BB it ? or do you have to keep it single shot?

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJAX22 (Post 1423026)
...you can have them assembled as a single shot with a barrel over 6 inches and an overall length greater than 10.5 inches so as to qualify for the single shot expemption to the drop safety testing regulations.


69Mach1 08-07-2008 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TZL (Post 1423055)
If you go the single shot route, can you then convert it to semi-auto and BB it ? or do you have to keep it single shot?

There's nothing to convert. It's still a semi-auto. Yes you have to use a BB or maglock on it. Don't have to keep it single shot. That's only for DROS for the exemption.

marxdspot 08-08-2008 11:39 AM

Friend Giving my AR Pistol a Go
 
That pistol is total sweetness, 69Mach1. Here's a link of mine in action. My friend giving it a go.




Quote:

Originally Posted by 69Mach1 (Post 1421243)
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j2...N/DSC03522.jpg

Still a top loader, soon to change. It's a fixed 10/30 with a 7.5 in barrel and a TruGlo red dot sight. I'm also waiting for my short pistol buffer tube.


Mr.RoDiN 08-08-2008 4:05 PM

would a semi auto config with a ten round magazine with bullet button be legal? Or would it have to be fixed mag, top loader?


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