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92se-r 05-31-2017 11:05 PM

David Myers for Sheriff
 
Well, we might as well start the conversation. Our favorite Sheriff is running for re-election and is already collecting endorsements from local Republican groups. One of his Commanders, David Myers is running as a Democrat against him. My question is, will you guys vote for him? For many of you, this might be the first time you would even consider a Democrat, I know thats where I stand currently. I feel like anything is better than Gore. I have yet to see a single thing Gore does that makes him a Republican. At a minimum, having Gore lose would make the San Diego GOP take notice and stop taking gun owners for granted. Gore is literally the face of gun control against CCW in this nation and he is a Republican. And yet, the SD GOP didnt care that he was running unopposed, they still endorsed him. That is how little they think of gun owners. Now that Gore has someone going against him, maybe its time to make our voice heard. Myers has actually stated in public on facebook that he will issue CCW permits. Whether this is lip service or not remains to be seen. However, what do we have to lose? What say you Calguns?

Jimi Jah 06-01-2017 10:45 AM

If the policies here don't change there is little benefit to making that change. Gore may be a better choice because he's older and will go sooner.

SDCutter 06-01-2017 10:48 AM

Can you please hyperlink where we can find Myers' statement about issuing CCW permits? I looked at his Facebook page and could not locate this.

I'm assuming SDCGO will be interviewing Myers in detail about his views. (See http://sandiegocountygunowners.com/p...f-endorsement/ ) I'll be very interested to see what SDCGO says.

92se-r 06-01-2017 11:24 AM

IMO, voting for Gore is the definition of insanity. Democrats and Republicans are split pretty evenly 50/50 in San Diego. Historically gun owners vote Republican. We are a swing vote. In my mind, how can it possibly get any worse than Gore? If Myers doesnt issue and goes back on his word, next election I am pretty sure the GOP will endorse a candidate that supports gun rights. If we continue to support Gore, why would the GOP even go out of their way to get a gun friendly Sheriff even when Gore is gone?

SDCGO is interviewing him on their radio show this Sunday on 1170AM at 4pm.

I think this is the problem with gun owners in California. We need to have honest discussions and unify. Our numbers show we should be more powerful than we are.

GlockN'Roll 06-01-2017 11:29 AM

Sheriff's, however gun friendly, often have bosses that aren't, but that still have power over their decisions.

Promises made during elections, especially by demoncraps, are generally worthless...

92se-r 06-01-2017 11:32 AM

Can you explain who is the boss of the Sheriff?

So you would rather vote party lines rather than on the actual issues?

GlockN'Roll 06-01-2017 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 92se-r (Post 20174938)
Can you explain who is the boss of the Sheriff?

So you would rather vote party lines rather than on the actual issues?

Typically a county sheriff reports to the county board of supervisors.

Where did I say that I would rather vote on party lines rather than issues? :facepalm:

92se-r 06-01-2017 12:05 PM

So you aren't going to vote for the guy because he is a Democrat. But you would vote for a guy that wont enforce immigration law and supports gun control?

brianinca 06-01-2017 1:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GlockN'Roll (Post 20175058)
Typically a county sheriff reports to the county board of supervisors.

Where did I say that I would rather vote on party lines rather than issues? :facepalm:

Uhhhh, no, the budget comes from the BOS, but the ELECTED Sheriff reports to the VOTERS. Elected offices have HUGELY more power in County Gov't than appointed positions.

You would have to be insane to vote for Gore under any circumstances if you owned nothing more than airsoft.

numpty 06-01-2017 3:18 PM

Let's shake things up.

Pending what SDCGO finds out about him, I'm in!

I hope they ask the question, "Will Self Defense be good cause for issuance of a CCW?"

numpty 06-01-2017 3:23 PM

In that interview, they should bring up the nonsense that happened in the Peruta case. The recent acknowledgement of the gang problems in SD. The terrorist hot-bed that SD is. And that all of those people will be carrying guns regardless of what limitations you put on everyone else.

Why should the average, law-abiding resident not have the option of concealed carry to protect themselves and their families?

L84CABO 06-01-2017 7:58 PM

Wait, Gore is running as a Republican? How is that even possible?

And yea, at this point I will vote for anyone but Gore. My hope is that there will be a good, pro gun candidate. But if not, I'd vote for the most rabidly anti gun Democrap just to give a big F.U. to Gore. It's not like anyone could be much worse. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

92se-r 06-01-2017 9:19 PM

Gore has always run as a Republican. Whats even worse is he ran unopposed last election, and the San Diego GOP still endorsed him. What kind of backdoor deal happened there?

The real FU deserves to be aimed at the SD GOP for selling out gun owners and taking us for granted. Im almost ready to turn San Diego blue in the next election to prove a point. I guarantee you the election after that, SD GOP would only endorse gun friendly candidates.

SD County Gun Owners PAC 06-01-2017 11:49 PM

We will continue to vet him and get him to explain what his policies on CCWs will be. We won't endorse him unless he is strong on CCWs and is a viable candidate. We won't ask you to support him if he isn't doing what it takes to win.

Listen to the interview live on 1170am this Sunday at 4pm.

Jimi Jah 06-02-2017 9:31 AM

In the long term an old Gore is better than a young democrat.

92se-r 06-02-2017 12:13 PM

So say Gore has one more term in him. What do you do if SD GOP endorses a young anti-gun Republican?

92se-r 06-05-2017 1:34 PM

Well, straight from the horses mouth. Here he is interviewed by mike schwartz from sd gun owners.

http://sandiegocountygunowners.com/podcasts/

SD County Gun Owners PAC 06-06-2017 8:32 AM

Survey Says!
 
https://sdrostra.com/undesignated/su...sheriffs-race/

Jimi Jah 06-06-2017 9:39 AM

It's not what they say, it's what they do.

njineermike 06-06-2017 9:46 AM

I refused to vote for Gore both times he was on a ballot and I was in his district. Would I vote for a pro-2A democrat? Begrudgingly, but if it's that or Gore, the pro 2A (D) gets my vote. Then gain, since I have yet to be anywhere a pro 2A (D) was running, it hasn't been an issue up til now for me. And since I moved, I dont see it being an issue for quite some time.

92se-r 06-06-2017 10:07 AM

Jimi Jah, so you have seen what Gore will do and say, what will you do this election? So you will wait for Myers to get voted in, if he gets voted in, and then vote for him? Thats not exactly how this works. So want to clarify your position?

MajorCaliber 06-06-2017 11:40 PM

I listened to David Myers's interview and he certainly said encouraging things about "the right to self defense", and approving CCW applications based on self defense/personal protection. Based on that, he is a huge improvement over Gore. On the other hand, he referred to a background investigation process that included, "talking to your friends, neighbors, employer". This concerns me. On what basis would he deny my right to self defense based on opinions or comments from my neighbors, friends, or employer? What other constitutional rights does he think I can be denied on a similar basis? Additionally, I think it is an invasion of my privacy to disclose my gun ownership or interest to these people. I have certainly had sketchy neighbors who would have been highly motivated to break into my house to steal guns, when I know they were willing to break into my car for far less, and I have had employers who were rabid anti-gun nuts who would have been likely to find an excuse to terminate my employment if they knew I was a gun owner.

Jimi Jah 06-07-2017 9:58 AM

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Originally Posted by 92se-r (Post 20196841)
Jimi Jah, so you have seen what Gore will do and say, what will you do this election? So you will wait for Myers to get voted in, if he gets voted in, and then vote for him? Thats not exactly how this works. So want to clarify your position?

It's pretty simple: I support any SD sheriff candidate that promises to issue CCW's and will not use the current determination.

If they do that I will vote for them, otherwise I leave it blank like other offices without a choice. Total ballots cast vs votes tallied = the "none are acceptible" votes.

92se-r 06-07-2017 1:05 PM

Jimi jah, did you get a chance to listen to his interview?

Jimi Jah 06-08-2017 9:22 AM

Nope but I'm sure I'll get the ghist of it before election time next year. There is plenty of time to get candidates to make a gaft or two. Far too early to make any decision.

PTLaro 06-08-2017 9:37 AM

I listened to the radio interview and it is amazing how people without knowing much about David Myers will vote for him just because he "CLAIMS" to support issuing CCW's the way people desire.

HE IS A DEMOCRAT! He is trying to win an election. He can say he wants to allow more CCW's now, but later make it very difficult by reducing the people working on the permits and many other ways if he chooses.

He has not been vetted. IT is amazing how the Radio Show hosts and Mr. Schwartz basically endorsed him after speaking with him for a few minutes on the radio.

Don't be Sheeple! What do most of the other Democrat politicians feel about this issue. You don't think they will have influence on him?

I don't like Sheriff' Gore's policy on CCW's but I trust this guy less. Gore lost the case and gave up on it and the State of California pushed it further. Gore's attorney's did not even show up ath En Banc hearing.

My guess is he would have complied with issuing CCW's on a Shall Issue basis as decided by the 3 judge panel had not a DEMOCRAT Attorney General not taken it to En Banc.

I think it is better to get some SCOTUS decisions in our favor rather than trusting a Democrat.

I thought the SDCGO was going to "groom" a candidate. Is this him?

Maybe we should get the NRA involved with vetting him.

Don be won over so easily.

92se-r 06-08-2017 4:34 PM

Lets correct some misinformation right now for good. You are making it seem like Gore has his hands tied because of the Ninth circuit or the Attorney General. Several counties have Sheriffs that accept self defense as good cause for CCW. Gore CHOOSES not to accept this as good cause and uses the court decision as a copout. Who is the sheeple when you blindly follow party lines? I know what I am getting with Gore. He doesnt enforce immigration law and believes in gun control. What is there that is any part Republican about him? Yet you blindly vote for him because he has an R behind his name.

AGGRO 06-08-2017 4:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 92se-r (Post 20208072)
Lets correct some misinformation right now for good. You are making it seem like Gore has his hands tied because of the Ninth circuit or the Attorney General. Several counties have Sheriffs that accept self defense as good cause for CCW. Gore CHOOSES not to accept this as good cause and uses the court decision as a copout. Who is the sheeple when you blindly follow party lines? I know what I am getting with Gore. He doesnt enforce immigration law and believes in gun control. What is there that is any part Republican about him? Yet you blindly vote for him because he has an R behind his name.

No more RINOs. Gore is Brown with a different letter.

SD County Gun Owners PAC 06-08-2017 4:45 PM

PT, you put quotes around "groom". Can you show us what you are quoting?

I have not endorsed Myers. SDCGO has not endorsed Myers. We've had a few in person meetings, exchanged a few emails, and talked on the phone a few times. We will continue to vet him and that will include a questionnaire. Our Board will discuss endorsements in early January.

We don't care what party he belongs to. We are nonpartisan organization. So his political party affiliation will have no effect on deciding endorsements. We will continue to vet him which is what the radio show was a part of.

So the Democratic Party candidate came on the show and was crystal clear that he will issue CCWs using self-defense as good cause. Will your Republican Party candidate do the same?

PTLaro 06-08-2017 6:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 92se-r (Post 20208072)
Lets correct some misinformation right now for good. You are making it seem like Gore has his hands tied because of the Ninth circuit or the Attorney General. Several counties have Sheriffs that accept self defense as good cause for CCW. Gore CHOOSES not to accept this as good cause and uses the court decision as a copout. Who is the sheeple when you blindly follow party lines? I know what I am getting with Gore. He doesnt enforce immigration law and believes in gun control. What is there that is any part Republican about him? Yet you blindly vote for him because he has an R behind his name.

I did not believe Gore's hands are tied, but if the Democrat AG of California had not requested an En Banc hearing, he would issue CCW's based on his comments after losing with the 3 judge panel. In other word's he was willing to comply with that 3 judge decision. He did not appeal to the En Banc hearing.

As far as enforcing immigration law, if your are referring to not complying with ICE detaining orders, the article in the UT explained that the Democrats of the State of California will not allow him to comply with their orders. The article also states that he does allow ICE agents office space and access to their computers. I can support that policy on criminals given the circumstances. Do you?

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...401-story.html It explains his way around the states law.

I vote with conservative views. The R's come a lot closer than D's. Also, I have seen D's continue to take away our 2nd amendment rights nationally as well as within our state. They have too much control in this state, giving them more power in this county is not going to help us.

As far as sheeple, I feel that too many gun owners are too caught up solely in the CCW issue. As I stated previously, he can say he supports CCW but later can make it difficult to obtain while still saying he does support it. Cut staff in that area. "He supports CCW but the Department just does not have the resources to support it"

I am glad you brought up immigration, it is not just about CCW. Apparently you are not a sheeple.

92se-r 06-08-2017 7:12 PM

You keep excusing Gore saying Democrats are tying his hands. That is funny, because Sheriff Jones in Sacramento in under the EXACT same California law, and has effectively made Sacramento county shall issue AND coordinates with ICE in jails for detainer holds. Same laws, same Republican party, 2 different sheriffs, 2 very different results.

You still have yet to explain a single conservative aspect about Gore. It sure seems like you are voting based on party lines, and not the actual issues.

Immigration law and CCW are the two main things the Sheriff has discretion over. Gore fails on both. But yet you wouldnt even consider Myers because he is a Democrat.

https://www.aclusandiego.org/sheriff...gration-holds/

http://www.elkgrovenews.net/2017/03/...ce_28.html?m=0

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...121987214.html

PTLaro 06-08-2017 8:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 92se-r (Post 20208790)
You keep excusing Gore saying Democrats are tying his hands. That is funny, because Sheriff Jones in Sacramento in under the EXACT same California law, and has effectively made Sacramento county shall issue AND coordinates with ICE in jails for detainer holds. Same laws, same Republican party, 2 different sheriffs, 2 very different results.

You still have yet to explain a single conservative aspect about Gore. It sure seems like you are voting based on party lines, and not the actual issues.

Immigration law and CCW are the two main things the Sheriff has discretion over. Gore fails on both. But yet you wouldnt even consider Myers because he is a Democrat.

https://www.aclusandiego.org/sheriff...gration-holds/

http://www.elkgrovenews.net/2017/03/...ce_28.html?m=0

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...121987214.html


Based on the UT article I don't find that failing on immigration. Immigration is really a Federal issue. Gore's responsibility is crime in San Diego County.

It seems that I have already explained my view on voting Democrat. We have a One party state. That is communism. How do you think they rammed all those guns laws through last year. They had no Republicans to slow them down. They don't need anymore help keeping control.

I can wait for a court decision to change the CCW's policy before voting for Myers. There are few in the courts now.

With reference to the sheeple point, listen to the interview again and both Lance and Dave say they will support him because of his CCW policy. Shouldn't we be asking more questions on other issues before giving support?

92se-r 06-08-2017 8:24 PM

You are voting for a Sheriff, not a lawmaker. The only thing they really impact is immigration enforcement and ccw issuance.

PTLaro 06-08-2017 8:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SD County Gun Owners PAC (Post 20208134)
PT, you put quotes around "groom". Can you show us what you are quoting?

I have not endorsed Myers. SDCGO has not endorsed Myers. We've had a few in person meetings, exchanged a few emails, and talked on the phone a few times. We will continue to vet him and that will include a questionnaire. Our Board will discuss endorsements in early January.

We don't care what party he belongs to. We are nonpartisan organization. So his political party affiliation will have no effect on deciding endorsements. We will continue to vet him which is what the radio show was a part of.

So the Democratic Party candidate came on the show and was crystal clear that he will issue CCWs using self-defense as good cause. Will your Republican Party candidate do the same?

I cannot not quote SDCGO on "grooming" but I remember hearing something from the organization about trying find a candidate to run against Sheriff Gore. If that is incorrect than I will admit that I stated that in error.

As for as endorsing him, no you did not come out and say you or SDCGO would support him as Lance and Dave did, but it certainly seemed that way, as you asked him for his information so people could check him out. Maybe that could have waited until a more lengthy public interview.

I think a lot of gun owners will follow SDCGO lead and I think the interview did not show much due diligence.

This is such a hot topic with people and they are going to support him without digging a little deeper.

Maybe you should ask Sheriff Gore to do the same interview and let us know his response. Maybe now that he has some real competition he may change his view on CCW permits.

I do believe you and SDCGO are doing a good job so this was not an attack on your or the organization.

PTLaro 06-08-2017 8:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 92se-r (Post 20209151)
You are voting for a Sheriff, not a lawmaker. The only thing they really impact is immigration enforcement and ccw issuance.


Then why do they even state their party affiliation if party does not matter?

baranski 06-08-2017 9:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 92se-r (Post 20209151)
You are voting for a Sheriff, not a lawmaker. The only thing they really impact is immigration enforcement and ccw issuance.


Of which either loser will do nothing about.

SD County Gun Owners PAC 06-08-2017 11:36 PM

"Maybe now that he has some real competition he may change his view on CCW permits."
Bingo.
But if gun owners come out and say they won't vote for him because he is a Dem then he is no longer real competition. But we find that a very high percentage of gun owners will cross party lines and do care about CCWs. Which is partly why Myers is real competition.

Also, Gore's attorney's first statement after losing in front of 3 judges was that they'll appeal. He said it the day after in an interview for a San Francisco paper. Then they worked with the AG to get them to take over the case (according to my mole).

Jimi Jah 06-09-2017 9:43 AM

Age is of utmost importance. An older candidate is always prefered as they will die sooner. Once in, they never leave until they die here. A young democrat sheriff could last 30 or more years here, consider that.

In San Diego, the current sheriff always grooms his sucessor. Usually it's a clone. After a long introduction and endless praise, the media jumps aboard saying "he will keep us safe". Then they are elected with little opposition.

CCW's are never an issue here and never will be. I've accepted that.

PTLaro 06-09-2017 5:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SD County Gun Owners PAC (Post 20210121)
"Maybe now that he has some real competition he may change his view on CCW permits."
Bingo.
But if gun owners come out and say they won't vote for him because he is a Dem then he is no longer real competition. But we find that a very high percentage of gun owners will cross party lines and do care about CCWs. Which is partly why Myers is real competition.

Also, Gore's attorney's first statement after losing in front of 3 judges was that they'll appeal. He said it the day after in an interview for a San Francisco paper. Then they worked with the AG to get them to take over the case (according to my mole).


Well maybe we need more competition. I know they mayor's election a few years ago drew more than 2 candidates.

I am not privy to any insider information, but I do remember him saying he would accept their decision. If he did work with the AG don't you think a democrat would, possibly even be pressured to follow the party? That is my point.

What the real problem is is not who is in office, but what does the law say. As I stated with another person in this thread, I am more hopeful that we can get a court ruling (SCOTUS) to rule in our favor.

I have lived in San Diego all my life and seen the progression so far left that I don't see a democrat being on our side for very long.

Truth

PTLaro 06-09-2017 5:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SD County Gun Owners PAC (Post 20210121)
"Maybe now that he has some real competition he may change his view on CCW permits."
Bingo.
But if gun owners come out and say they won't vote for him because he is a Dem then he is no longer real competition. But we find that a very high percentage of gun owners will cross party lines and do care about CCWs. Which is partly why Myers is real competition.

Also, Gore's attorney's first statement after losing in front of 3 judges was that they'll appeal. He said it the day after in an interview for a San Francisco paper. Then they worked with the AG to get them to take over the case (according to my mole).


Well maybe we need more competition. I know they mayor's election a few years ago drew more than 2 candidates.

I am not privy to any insider information, but I do remember him saying he would accept their decision. If he did work with the AG don't you think a democrat would, possibly even be pressured to follow the party? That is my point.

What the real problem is is not who is in office, but what does the law say. As I stated with another person in this thread, I am more hopeful that we can get a court ruling (SCOTUS) to rule in our favor.

I have lived in San Diego all my life and seen the progression so far left that I don't see a democrat being on our side for very long.

If David Myers does win, my hope is that I am wrong because I firmly believe in constitutional carry. Open or concealed.


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