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3RDGEARGRNDRR 12-08-2013 10:12 PM

5.45x39 upper
 
it hurts to post this for me,
but I need an intervention
http://toeas.com/smiley/files/2011/0...g-smiley-2.gif

If its in stock tomorrow, I will buy one,

Adams Arms 5.45x39 MOE upper $669 + Tax

CardShark 12-09-2013 2:04 AM

Damnit, I really don't want to spend more money right now but there is such a big difference between the price of steel .223 and 5.45 ammo.....how good a deal is this particular upper?

Teeko 12-09-2013 2:21 AM

I wouldn't want to deal with corrosive ammo

CardShark 12-09-2013 2:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teeko (Post 12943773)
I wouldn't want to deal with corrosive ammo

I haven't dealt with it yet, but it looks like most people don't consider it that big a deal.

Teeko 12-09-2013 2:29 AM

Yeah I haven't dealt with it either so I can't say much, just from what I've heard it's not worth it.
But ammo being so cheap in 5.45 it's oh so temtpting.
I also hear that 5.45x39 is cheap right now because the surplus supply but once that's gone it'll be a more expensive round and become rare?

Letterman52 12-09-2013 6:08 AM

I don't think my wife is going to like me this week. Please sell out before I get home.....

snowblind 12-09-2013 7:08 AM

good price. paid 615 at rainier, but they dont carry it anymore from what I can tell.
runs great. company claims upper is prepared for the ammo issues. comes with hammer spring. I cicnt use it and have had 2 rounds not fire out of 500, but it was the ammo, because the primer is always deeply hit and my AK74 wouldnt pop them either.
great answer to my expensive ammo blues

JackRydden224 12-09-2013 7:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teeko (Post 12943777)
Yeah I haven't dealt with it either so I can't say much, just from what I've heard it's not worth it.
But ammo being so cheap in 5.45 it's oh so temtpting.
I also hear that 5.45x39 is cheap right now because the surplus supply but once that's gone it'll be a more expensive round and become rare?

What you have heard/read is typical FUD about steel cased ammo. At this moment 1000 rounds of the 5.45x39 is about $100 dollars cheaper its 223 Rem counter part so after 2,000 rounds you would have enough saving to buy a new barrel. Do the math, its worth it.

AA's barrels will last you a lot more than 2,000 rounds.

bill_k_lopez 12-09-2013 7:32 AM

Seems like a lot of money. I just put together my own for a lot less. Although the black Friday deals are all gone by now.

You only need the bolt & the barrel to just convert an upper you already have - Red X Arms had the complete BCG for $115, and I picked up a barrel from SOTA Arms for $109.

Upper $83
BCG $115
Barrel $109
Free Float Tube $40
Gas Tube $10
Gas Block $17
Flash Hider $6

Complete 5.45x39 upper for $380

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Letterman52 12-09-2013 7:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill_k_lopez (Post 12944407)
Seems like a lot of money. I just put together my own for a lot less. Although the black Friday deals are all gone by now.

You only need the bolt & the barrel to just convert an upper you already have - Red X Arms had the complete BCG for $115, and I picked up a barrel from SOTA Arms for $109.

Upper $83
BCG $115
Barrel $109
Free Float Tube $40
Gas Tube $10
Gas Block $17
Flash Hider $6

Complete 5.45x39 upper for $380

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Pretty much what I did, but bought stuff that was coated since all I shoot is corrosive ammo. If you clean everything right after you shoot though you'll most likely be fine without the coated parts.

My build thread:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=862139

jonzer77 12-09-2013 8:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill_k_lopez (Post 12944407)
Seems like a lot of money. I just put together my own for a lot less. Although the black Friday deals are all gone by now.

You only need the bolt & the barrel to just convert an upper you already have - Red X Arms had the complete BCG for $115, and I picked up a barrel from SOTA Arms for $109.

Upper $83
BCG $115
Barrel $109
Free Float Tube $40
Gas Tube $10
Gas Block $17
Flash Hider $6

Complete 5.45x39 upper for $380

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It looks like the upper in the ad is a piston upper and I don't see that included in your build sheet of $380. I am trying to see the upper through a small pic on my phone so I could be wrong.

Letterman52 12-09-2013 9:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonzer77 (Post 12944882)
It looks like the upper in the ad is a piston upper and I don't see that included in your build sheet of $380. I am trying to see the upper through a small pic on my phone so I could be wrong.

Looks like you're right. Damn... Going to buy it..

beanz2 12-09-2013 2:11 PM

That is a darn good price. I paid $720 for mine back in August.

Letterman52 12-09-2013 2:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beanz2 (Post 12947135)
That is a darn good price. I paid $720 for mine back in August.

Was yours a piston upper? If so how do you like it?

OC_Gunner 12-09-2013 2:36 PM

5 in stock. Very tempting.

Deadon 12-09-2013 3:01 PM

5.45x39 is the only AR I take out of the safe these days. Thousands of rounds and no FUD Corrosive issues.
Such a great round at a cheap price to shoot. I chronograph-ed 5.56 and 5.45 and the 5.45 was about 200 fps faster. Yes its a LITTLE smaller but it feels the same shooting it through a AR.
Love the round.

Deadon 12-09-2013 3:02 PM

BTW the latest windowed Pmags for 5.56 will work with this round. Just a heads up.

Elwood_Blues 12-09-2013 3:06 PM

Anybody ever heard of these guys? They seem to have uppers in stock (gas system) for $460

http://www.model1sales.com/index.cfm...ategory_id=295

Deadon 12-09-2013 3:10 PM

Yes Ive heard bad stuff about Model one. It would be better off to order from the listed links about and build one for under 400.00

CardShark 12-09-2013 3:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deadon (Post 12947504)
5.45x39 is the only AR I take out of the safe these days. Thousands of rounds and no FUD Corrosive issues.
Such a great round at a cheap price to shoot. I chronograph-ed 5.56 and 5.45 and the 5.45 was about 200 fps faster. Yes its a LITTLE smaller but it feels the same shooting it through a AR.
Love the round.

Is this the cheap surplus stuff?

beanz2 12-09-2013 3:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letterman52 (Post 12947243)
Was yours a piston upper? If so how do you like it?

It is a piston upper. Nicely built and the parts felt solid. Does Adams Arms make a non-piston upper?

TBH, it's only been sitting in the safe :o The AR was completed in a rush in preparation for AB374 becoming law. I've been too busy with my AKs to even take it out to the range.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deadon (Post 12947515)
BTW the latest windowed Pmags for 5.56 will work with this round. Just a heads up.

The 3rd generation window Pmag? Darn, I don't have enough of those...

When you are out of state, does it take 28 rounds or 30?
Did you have to cut the follower leg?

40SWGlock 12-09-2013 3:42 PM

I bought one, had a stripped lower sitting around. Didn't want to build another AR in the same caliber. So I'll give 5.45 a try.

Deadon 12-09-2013 4:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beanz2 (Post 12947694)
It is a piston upper. Nicely built and the parts felt solid. Does Adams Arms make a non-piston upper?

TBH, it's only been sitting in the safe :o The AR was completed in a rush in preparation for AB374 becoming law. I've been too busy with my AKs to even take it out to the range.



The 3rd generation window Pmag? Darn, I don't have enough of those...

When you are out of state, does it take 28 rounds or 30?
Did you have to cut the follower leg?

Im shooting the stuff in the spam cans.

I didnt have to trim anything. I dont know how many rounds they hold because I blocked em at 10.
I know the non windowed you have to trim and play with. The windowed ones are just load em up and shoot. Its like they were made for the round.
If anyone has any questions let me know. Ive shot maybe 4k through it.

bill_k_lopez 12-09-2013 5:01 PM

I did not see that the OP's was a piston upper - for the price listed it is a good deal.

davegonewild 12-09-2013 5:38 PM

I have the LWRC piston 5.45 upper and I love it. A little pricey but the quality is top notch

Letterman52 12-09-2013 6:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deadon (Post 12948222)
Im shooting the stuff in the spam cans.

I didnt have to trim anything. I dont know how many rounds they hold because I blocked em at 10.
I know the non windowed you have to trim and play with. The windowed ones are just load em up and shoot. Its like they were made for the round.
If anyone has any questions let me know. Ive shot maybe 4k through it.

I've been using the PMAG Gen 2's blocked to 10 rounds with zero issues. Easy and cheap.

CardShark 12-09-2013 9:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letterman52 (Post 12949041)
I've been using the PMAG Gen 2's blocked to 10 rounds with zero issues. Easy and cheap.

Just to clarify since you didn't mention the specific caliber.......you're saying non-windowed .223 30rnd M2 MOE PMAG's work on 5.45x39 without modification?

Letterman52 12-09-2013 9:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CardShark (Post 12950490)
Just to clarify since you didn't mention the specific caliber.......you're saying non-windowed .223 30rnd M2 MOE PMAG's work on 5.45x39 without modification?

Yes I use them for both 5.56 and 5.45. They feed fine with zero issues. This is only loading 10 rounds though as I mentioned since they are blocked.

Datdarkness 12-09-2013 10:50 PM

TAG... I think i found my next build...

Elwood_Blues 12-10-2013 2:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill_k_lopez (Post 12944407)
Seems like a lot of money. I just put together my own for a lot less. Although the black Friday deals are all gone by now.

You only need the bolt & the barrel to just convert an upper you already have - Red X Arms had the complete BCG for $115, and I picked up a barrel from SOTA Arms for $109.

Upper $83
BCG $115
Barrel $109
Free Float Tube $40
Gas Tube $10
Gas Block $17
Flash Hider $6

Complete 5.45x39 upper for $380

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Thanks for posting this. I'm gonna build that set up, should be fun to plink around with. I do have a question about the gas block though. How would you mount front sight? Would This Gas Block work? Or does it have to be low profile as the carbine length tube goes over it? Or just mount optic and be done with it? I do like to shoot irons though. Thanks for any help.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deadon (Post 12947568)
It would be better off to order from the listed links about and build one for under 400.00

I'm going that route :D with shipping it will be just over 400

iam01pbm 12-14-2013 7:04 PM

Both the gen2 windowed and non windowed work fine with 10 rounds. If you want to run more the gen2 windowed is your best bet. You will have to tinker with the follower and you should be able to load 28 + 1. (If you leave Ca of course) I run a huldra gas piston 5.45 and another custom I think a voodoo barrel in 7.62x39. I only use corrosive ammo. The only issue I have encountered is light strikes. I just cycle them again without an issue. Several fixes for that also.

BigPimping 12-18-2013 2:15 PM

I just said screw it and bought a AK74. I am good.

Evil homer 12-18-2013 3:59 PM

Next build for sure :)

Letterman52 12-23-2013 5:37 PM

Damn. SOTA 5.45 barrels are sold out. I procrastinated to long. Oh well. Ballistic advantage barrel will be here Jan 2nd.

CardShark 12-25-2013 7:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letterman52 (Post 13048569)
Damn. SOTA 5.45 barrels are sold out. I procrastinated to long. Oh well. Ballistic advantage barrel will be here Jan 2nd.

Damn, I should have pulled the trigger on that SOTA barrel but had too much going with Christmas. That BA barrel is more than double the price at $225.

Does anyone else make a decent 5.45 barrel that is cheap?

Elwood_Blues 12-25-2013 8:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CardShark (Post 13061837)
Damn, I should have pulled the trigger on that SOTA barrel but had too much going with Christmas. That BA barrel is more than double the price at $225.

Does anyone else make a decent 5.45 barrel that is cheap?

I got the SOTA barrel, it came in on Monday, looks good. I don't know who, or if anyone makes 'decent inexpensive 5.45 barrel' but if I could find Spike's I'd buy it. Their barrels are around $250 and you only gotta buy it once, as Spike's will replace it, should you shoot 10,000 rounds through it and it's no longer accurate.

bill_k_lopez 12-25-2013 8:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elwood_Blues (Post 12955303)
Thanks for posting this. I'm gonna build that set up, should be fun to plink around with. I do have a question about the gas block though. How would you mount front sight? Would This Gas Block work? Or does it have to be low profile as the carbine length tube goes over it? Or just mount optic and be done with it? I do like to shoot irons though. Thanks for any help.



I'm going that route :D with shipping it will be just over 400

I went with a mid length tube, so I needed the low profile gas block. A carbine length free float will allow you to use that block.

For my build I didn't go with a front sight, I threw a red dot on it. Going for something like this only mid-ength:

http://mrgrouchy.com/wp-content/uplo...1/12/JP-15.jpg

Spaceghost 12-26-2013 2:58 PM

Glad your barrel looks good. Mine from them looked like ****, I even made a thread about it. Very disappoint.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elwood_Blues (Post 13062074)
I got the SOTA barrel, it came in on Monday, looks good. I don't know who, or if anyone makes 'decent inexpensive 5.45 barrel' but if I could find Spike's I'd buy it. Their barrels are around $250 and you only gotta buy it once, as Spike's will replace it, should you shoot 10,000 rounds through it and it's no longer accurate.


radgokart 12-26-2013 5:11 PM

If any of you guys in So Cal have one of these, where do you shoot surplus? When I checked the BLM site, it said no steel core in the California Desert District, which looked like it covered Hodge.

CardShark 12-26-2013 6:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radgokart (Post 13067002)
If any of you guys in So Cal have one of these, where do you shoot surplus? When I checked the BLM site, it said no steel core in the California Desert District, which looked like it covered Hodge.

+1 I'd like to know this as well


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