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ZX-10R 10-31-2011 6:17 AM

Seems in one of the pics with the current President of Russia, they are using the FAB handguards which is Israeli in origin. It is what I have.

Someone asked how does all this make a rifle more accurate?
LOP - Do you really want a shorter stock if you have long arms or want a more comfortable posture when benching, shooting standing, or kneeling? I prefer the ACS stock as it gives me a nice cheek weld and heft to absorb recoil. Weight is not an issue as I have heavier rifles.
Optics/ Optics mount - You really think some of the yahoos here are tagging 200+yrd body shots consistently with steel sights. I can and there is no way I am doing that with steel CONSISTENTLY.
Forward grip - I know a lot of you practice on the bench however, you all should be practicing everything...Standing, kneeling, bench, prone (if allowed), etc. Forward grip helps in the standing, and kneeling, especially if you are doing 5 shot groups and/ or accuracy on follow up shots.
Lights - Surefire is my customer. If you need a light to blind someone or just for home defense use, you want something that withstand the recoil of a 30 cal or larger round. Lights are good for HD if that is what your gun is for.

To each is his own but most guys I see shooting with steel come back with crazy groups. You all don't train to spray and pray I assume? I need mine tighter than that to feel satisfied.

Nice rifles and well done!

[IMG]http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/b...0/IMG_2781.jpg[/IMG]

FiveSeven 01-03-2012 3:40 PM

Improved this AK.
Before and after.
Much better rifle afterwards.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08.../9000a1234.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...ns4/9000a1.jpg

Very slim profile.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...9000a12345.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...4/9000a123.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08.../6545555-1.jpg

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FiveSeven 01-03-2012 3:42 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...1234567891.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...0a12345678.jpg

could't capture dot properly but it's much better in real life and co-witness is perfect, better then any other side mount.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...s4/9000a21.jpg

Surefire G2X Tac (200lm )
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...4567891233.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...4/Image2m8.jpg

smog7 01-03-2012 8:29 PM

^that is awesome looking. which model aimpoint are you using?

FiveSeven 01-03-2012 9:11 PM

Thanks, Originally it was 9000SC-2X (2moa) but after cutting off 2x attachment it's 9000SC now.

nikonuser 01-04-2012 6:55 AM

Very nice guys. I found myself having more fun shooting my AK after all my improvements and more accurately too.

69Mach1 01-04-2012 7:08 AM

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j2...N/DSC05365.jpg

ZX-10R 01-06-2012 4:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FiveSeven (Post 7776427)

Very nice.

FiveSeven 01-06-2012 6:27 PM

Thanks but please don't quote all the pics in the post... It's unneeded.

luckystrike 01-07-2012 1:05 AM

some tac aks look alright, others look like the gunshow puked on them

RustyMacHine 01-07-2012 6:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FiveSeven (Post 7776421)
Improved this AK.

V

You're just plain crazy... :thumbsup:


Quote:

Originally Posted by 69Mach1 (Post 7780034)
69Mach1's VEPR

... and you don't play fair. That's a VEPR. Very limited mods you can do with that thing.


Both look great though... Let's wait for Mamluke to see these.


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Lagduf 01-07-2012 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FiveSeven (Post 7778652)
Thanks, Originally it was 9000SC-2X (2moa) but after cutting off 2x attachment it's 9000SC now.

What side mount (and rings) are you using? I don't think I've ever seen one that mounted a 30mm tube so low, other than the RS Products AK mount.

I have an Aimpoint 9000SC on my Kel-Tec SU16 and seeing that on your gun has me convinced to move it over to my AK-74.

FiveSeven 01-07-2012 12:05 PM

^

The mount is PK-01V.
It's sold with only one offset ring, I had one already that came with Russian red dot... Purchased another one (just the mount with a ring), moved Russian red dot to RS Product mount and used leftover ring for Aimpoint.

Here's the leftover mount without the ring.
Unlike some of the other side mount...... This is a heavier all steel construction.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...Image2tr55.jpg

nikonuser 01-07-2012 12:19 PM

Lifted this from arfcom.
Not sure if its Photoshopped or not but I see American accesories here. The first pic looked suspicious as the op is wearing multicam. Real or not I like the look of these AKs.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7169/6...56b20583_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7168/6...79a275e2_o.jpg

FiveSeven 01-07-2012 12:41 PM

^
Very true.. Here's Moscow Police officer with updated AK.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...6ecd66_XXL.jpg

Russian SF/LE
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08.../Image2k88.jpg

Another example of PK-01V with Aimpoint.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...ount1od6_1.jpg

West9319 01-07-2012 1:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Len (Post 7386238)
My garage converted Saiga .308
-AK74 muzzle brake, this is an original AK74 brake that was bored to 7.62 dimensions
-Texas Weapon Systems top rail and aperture sight.
-Red Star Arms trigger group.
-VLTOR carbine stock adapter.
-Magpul CTR stock.
-US Palm grip.
-Krebs safety.
-Solar Tactical CA. magazine release.
-Custom made billet aluminum picatinny rail for Grip-pod with steel legs.
-Black Duracoat finish
http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n...n/IMG_1419.jpg
http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n...n/IMG_1418.jpg
http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n...n/IMG_1413.jpg
http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n...n/IMG_1417.jpg
http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n...n/IMG_1416.jpg

Dude that is one bad ***** saiga.

Lagduf 01-08-2012 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FiveSeven (Post 7800744)
^

The mount is PK-01V.
It's sold with only one offset ring, I had one already that came with Russian red dot... Purchased another one (just the mount with a ring), moved Russian red dot to RS Product mount and used leftover ring for Aimpoint.

Thanks again. I wonder if I can find another offset ring - I didn't see any on the Kalinka Optics site.

I current have my Aimpoint 9000sc in a single ring mount on my SU-16 and have had no issues with it. I might try the RS Products mount with it anyway.

chead 01-08-2012 5:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FiveSeven (Post 7776427)

What handguards are those?

And to contribute:

http://i.imgur.com/CI91kl.jpg

FiveSeven 01-08-2012 6:23 PM

Looks good.
Quote:

Originally Posted by chead (Post 7807703)
What handguards are those?

Hogue.

1911ZENSHOOTER 01-08-2012 7:22 PM

Which lower hg is that?

FiveSeven 01-08-2012 8:01 PM

Quote:

Which lower hg is that?
Hogue.

NorCArl 01-09-2012 4:48 PM

My newly finished garage build-
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/...1-09084851.jpg
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/...1-09084954.jpg

vintagedude88 01-17-2012 8:08 PM

FiveSeven - What compensator is that on the muzzle?

Caeser2001 01-18-2012 3:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by H2O MAN (Post 7355323)

Exactly as I plan to build mine. How much does she weigh?

FiveSeven 01-19-2012 3:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vintagedude88 (Post 7864768)
FiveSeven - What compensator is that on the muzzle?

24205 AK47 Compensator
Works pretty good, better then 75% of other ones I've tried and there's quite a few on that list.
Not as good BC but still really good.
I'd say its worth every penny and then some.
Being on a low cost is even better.

anyway.
Saiga fore-end modified. Still working on a few other small things.
Looks really good in person and feels much better then original.
TRL-1S, Magpul AFG, Sling attachment..... Magpul rails drilled/attached to fore-end, secure and just in the place where they're needed.
It looks as it was made this way at the factory. Fit and finish is excellent.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...age1k67676.jpg

Jrubbadubbub 01-21-2012 8:58 PM

http://www.upitall.com/Private/u/369/677/9628

FiveSeven 01-24-2012 5:23 PM

^
Probably would look better if pic was normal size.
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I know it's known as a pistol but I don't think it really fits in that category. IMO pistol is same as handgun and AK "pistol" is not a handgun.
It's more like a hybrid or a cross between, nonetheless it's still an AK.
My final modification on this Draco.
Using sling in opposite tension mode, it's surprisingly easy to keep the sight consistent on target, I'd say it's nearly the same (or easier/faster) as traditional stock..... but if your not used to or careful you will bump fire it. Practice fixes that problem.
For those who think these are not practical or whatever. I completely disagree and if you haven't fired at multiple targets with similar setup then you're simply flat out wrong.
This is probably the closest thing to PDW (from a traditional PDW standpoint view).
As for the mag lock (yes you zfields), it's like a Ferrari owned by someone who's never drives over the speed limit. It doesn't mean that the car isn't capable or never will..... Time, location & circumstance (yes, in that order).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...5/Guns4/d2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...5/Guns4/d7.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08.../Guns4/d5a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...5/Guns4/D1.jpg

FiveSeven 01-24-2012 5:32 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...5/Guns4/d9.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08.../Guns4/dc6.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08.../Guns4/d99.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08.../Guns4/d1a.jpg

Caeser2001 01-29-2012 11:23 AM

Sling loops to protect the laser?

IrishPirate 01-29-2012 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FiveSeven (Post 7353844)

I just threw up a little bit.....not because i'm a wood guy and there's a ton of tacticool happening on that AK....but because i actually REALLY like it!!!

awesome build! IMHO, if you're gonna do something, DO IT RIGHT!!! you did just that. I would love to have that rifle and would probably use it as much, if not more, than any other rifle i have. Great job!!!!

H2O MAN 01-29-2012 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caeser2001 (Post 7869368)
Exactly as I plan to build mine.
How much does she weigh?

I have made a few and final changes to her... the AFG has been replaced
with with an RFG and the T-1 has been relocated backward a few inches.

Weight with magazine and sling removed: 7 pounds 6.2 ounces

http://www.athenswater.com/images/7.62AKM-1.JPG

http://www.athenswater.com/images/7.62AKM.jpg

Abu Josh 02-12-2012 9:17 AM

I had Iraqis giving me their hard-earned $ for me to order UTG rails for them so they could hang flashlights and cheap red dot sights. I'm a fan of the classic AK, but when you kick in a door (or hear tham bump in the night) and it's pitch black you'll be happy to have a light on your target.

BTW, that is one nice Saiga!

cortayack 02-12-2012 10:10 AM

tag..........My next AK is a draco, thanks for the ideal.....

STAGE 2 02-16-2012 6:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZX-10R (Post 7416113)
You really think some of the yahoos here are tagging 200+yrd body shots consistently with steel sights. I can and there is no way I am doing that with steel CONSISTENTLY.

Body shots @ 200 yards with an AK in proper specs (not some farked and twisted homebuild) should be no problem at all.

The problem isn't the sights. The problem is that much like manual transmissions, shooting with iron sights is quickly becoming a lost art. For some reason people think they cant hit anything pas 50 yards unless they have magnification and a red dot.

hemiguy55 02-16-2012 11:20 PM

man.... i cant wait to get my ak.... time is just creepin by... and all these bad a** pics r makin me want these days to go by even faster!

FiveSeven 02-17-2012 6:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STAGE 2 (Post 8053850)
Body shots @ 200 yards with an AK in proper specs (not some farked and twisted homebuild) should be no problem at all,

The problem isn't the sights. The problem is that much like manual transmissions, shooting with iron sights is quickly becoming a lost art. For some reason people think they cant hit anything pas 50 yards unless they have magnification and a red dot.

That's not it, your missing the point in all of this.
Personally, I can hit human size target even further with irons BUT with a red dot I can do it faster and fire another follow up shot or two even faster.
There's a very good reason why military issues red dot sight to troops, it's called efficiency. Plus it eliminates tunnel vision at closer ranges that irons present and in combat it can get you killed.

Just like some tools, some can perform the same task better with upgrades.

Zion Lion 02-17-2012 7:34 AM

Here's mine that I recently finished
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-...69532169_n.jpg

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-...30283474_n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...49127185_n.jpg

STAGE 2 02-17-2012 7:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FiveSeven (Post 8056069)
That's not it, your missing the point in all of this.

I'm not missing the point at all. I never said red dots and the rest aren't an improvement or a benefit. I said that the statement that you can't hit minute of man @ 200 yards consistently if you have iron sights is false insomuch as its not a rifle issue its a shooter issue.

And I also said many people have either lost or never bothered to acquire the skill of properly learning to shoot with iron sights. Thats also true.

FiveSeven 02-21-2012 6:11 PM

Converted Saiga. Modified just a bit more from what it was (handguard+ TRL-1S and 2 lower connected rails for AFG/sling adapter )
Cut off rear tang and secured adapter from the top (trunnion)and side receiver holes. The most stable adapter of them all, they're all good but this one is just a bit more.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08.../Image21k7.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08.../Image23h6.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08.../Image17u9.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...Image1387j.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...4/Image20k.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...Image1c787.jpg

FiveSeven 02-21-2012 6:15 PM

RS Product AKM mount. Not as good mount as PK-01V one, solid but not as well made.
Russian red dot (1.5moa), similar quality as Aimpoint sight except the battery life for which I'm unsure (but I don't think it would come close).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...Image12l88.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...ge3k6553-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...Image16877.jpg


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