CALGUNS Politically Progressive Thread
I appreciate all of the information that this site has provided me. However, it is obvious that a good portion of posters here would be considered Conservative in their political beliefs. While I appreciate those views, the fact remains that I am politically a Progressive, a typically Californian Leftist if you will, although I differ with the average Democrat on 2A issues. I am an Air Force Veteran, a believer in the first amendment as it pertains to the separation of church and state, an avid supporter of the 2nd Amendment, a gun owner, a father, and a patriot. It would be nice to communicate with likewise progressives that share my support of the 2nd Amendment. I know from talking to people that there are a lot more of us than the right wing would suggest. So, my suggestion would be for a forum dedicated to us on the Left, so that we can join the discussion on how best to preserve our 2A rights.
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Huh? I think you're on the wrong forum?
By the way, 1st Amendment has nothing to do with the seperation of church and state. In fact, I don't recall any of those words last time I read it. Best of luck to you. |
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Nope. I'm an athiest who doesn't believe in the feeedom of speech or religion. In fact, I don't believe in the 2nd Amendment either. Guns and loud noises scare me.
I'm only here to mock the right wing tin foil hat wearing anti-government racist baby killing gun owners. Is that the response you're looking for? I sure hope so. Maybe now you can sleep tonight. |
Well, the 1st protects you from government infringement of free speech. It also protects everyone else who would choose to criticize you for you voicing your opinion.
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There already is a forum for that:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/f...splay.php?f=71 It's for EVERYONE; it doesn't discriminate between political beliefs, other than separating between the PEOPLE and the GOVERNMENT. . |
Call it what you want, it's still liberalism and it's sinking this nation fast.
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"If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Words a progressive never heard as a child.
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If you think the Gov should get involved with everything; or that service & parenthood (sperm donor hood?) mean nothing, THEN you are a Leftist. |
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California is an overwhelmingly a liberal/ progressive State, as we can see by the vast majority of elected officials tend to lean to the left. As a gun enthusiast myself, it is sad to see so many of these officials introducing restrictive laws that do nothing to fix the problems that they claim to address. As a political moderate with both liberal and conservative tendencies, I can often agree with much of the positive legislation that has improved the rights of citizen minority groups in California, as well as some of the environmental improvement standards. I see the need for government services that allow for broader access for all citizens, not just those who can afford to pay a premium for them. I understand that public unions are a necessity after having a parent who was a government employee and myself working as a government employee for a few years before starting my own business. Having fought with the district over reduced pay for myself/employees (already paid little in comparison to what we did) while the chancellor and school presidents received massive raises. My conservative and business side agrees with the reduction of onerous restrictions and regulations that is hampering businesses. With every step I take as a business owner, I have to shell out money to the city/state, and receive little back other than headaches. I'm against illegal labor, having to deal with it on a regular basis, due to wage suppression and illegal competition. I understand the need for welfare and sec.8 overhaul to allow only those who truly need it, to have access to it. This being a firearm forum, I think all pro-firearm individuals should be made to feel welcome, despite our political differences. In California, the Democrats are the ones who are in control of the state's government. If more pro-firearm Democrats are made to feel welcomed and embraced by the firearm community, maybe we could shift the current anti-gun stance of the party to a far more favorable pro-gun stance, or at least get rid of the anti-gun politicians and not have to settle for the theocrats or the locusts. |
I'm just a pro constitution, non idealogic minded human being. Untied by my raising or brainwashed beliefs. All the small distractions detach each other from the real danger. Government. Right or left screws us the same.
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Welcome, Ericb760 - there are a number of forumites around that lean politically left/progressive on many issues other than firearms policy/gun control - you just have to develop a bit of a thick skin if you're going to wade into certain spots, like OT....
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why you got to make all this so complicated. welcome to the forum. dont let these turds scare you off!@
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Welcome. There are several dyed-in-the-wool leftist liberals here on the forum. Most are quiet about their political persuasions. Some are open about them. As you have probably already seen, any discussion of politics on this site tends to be very one-sided, with little but insults for democrats or liberals. If you want to be a leftie and participate here, you have to have a thick skin.
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On this forum, the overwhelming majority of the posters, and therefore the tenor of the discussion are on the extreme pro-gun end (this is highly correlated but not identical with extremely conservative political positions). The style of discussion can be very abrasive. A considerable amount of all posts on here are flinging invectives in the general directions of people like President Obama (occasionally referred to as Barry Sotero, supposedly a Kenyan-born Indonesian citizen and impostor in the office of president, or referred to by insults like Obummer and 0bama), or Attorneys General Holder and Harris, or Governor Brown (whom some people here hold in high esteem, while most refer to him as Moonbeam or "if its brown, flush it down"), or the California legislature, or liberals in general (often referred to as "libtards", which gave rise to a discussion forum called "guntards", a self-defined group of liberals with guns). Again, as I said above: you have to have a thick skin if you are willing to out yourself as a liberal here. Quote:
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Guess what? They need to stop voting for democrats in CA. There are pro 2a democrat politicians, in other states. They aren't in CA. Voting for democrats(and sometimes republicans) in CA = anti gun. "some more laws" and "just a little more restriction" is absolutely unacceptable. You and your friends can enjoy owning guns, shooting guns, great, we need more gun owners. However casting votes to anti 2a politicians... you might as well be shooting yourself in the foot. In an ideal world you might be able to be pro 2a and vote democrat, but not in this state. |
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Thanks :rolleyes: Sorry, I've already pointed this out to you, but I guess I need to repeat myself again. Voting democrat in CA = anti 2a. Vote something other than democrat if you want to vote pro 2a(I also pointed out that we've had anti 2a republicans as well. Shwarzenegger and Reagan off the top of my head). You can complain to us all you want about being thick headed, defeatist, or whatever you want, but if you keep voting for antis, you are actively working to abolish 2a in CA. |
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2A is not about a hobby, it is not about hunting, it is not about games or sport. |
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Yeah, that worked out so well it got us all of those exemptions and requirements that were basically to allow cowboy action shooting and olympic bullseye rimfire pistol shooting, while everything else got banned. You apparently aren't aware of the history of 2a in this state, so quit trying to preach about what you want us to do, when you're the one voting for a guy who specifically stated he wanted to ban AWs in his second term. Democrat politicians and 2a do not go together in this state. |
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^^^+ forever, thanks glock7
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I wonder if any of you are familiar with Emperor Nero's musical abilities...
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What's stopping you from creating CAProgressiveGunOwners.org or something similar?
There aren't any political belief specific forums on cgn now, what makes progressives so special that they get their own forum? |
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And what kinds of restrictions do you feel are appropriate to the 2A? |
**** no....if that's a problem, don't let the door hit you on your way out. ;)
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Progressive liberals fiddle while California burns... We welcome our friendly undocumented workers and cheerfully give them financial breaks unavailable to U.S. citizens. We encourage the FSA, knowing full well that EBT and welfare were originally intended as a bootstrap up...not as an ongoing way of support for those who, whatever the excuse, don't really feel like getting up and working 5 days a week; like the people who support their lifestyle do. California is broke, financially, politically, and philosophically. Those who can, move to a state where citizens are actually responsible to fix their own issues, instead of sucking on the teat of a nanny state. Thinking that you'll convert liberals to favor the 2nd Amendment is an admirable but lofty goal. I wish you luck. I'd submit that the great majority of liberal Democrats fully realize the purpose of the 2nd Amendment, but don't mind living under a government that is becoming increasingly controlling and approaching tyrannical, as long as they can escape responsibility for their own lot in life with massive government assistance. -hanko |
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