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kimxmartin 04-21-2016 5:04 PM

HK P30L vs Vp9/40 and HK45 vs HK USP .45
 
I'm trying to figure which of these I should get. I personally love HK weapons but don't want to have some many guns at the sametime. So I am torn from the hk p30l and a VP9/40. I have only messed up with a VP40 I love the feel of that pistol. Never tried a p30 but it just awesome and hoping it feels good like VP9/40 since they are so alike.

And also the USP. 45 full size and the newer HK45 just torn. Can you guys help me decide?

CalAlumnus 04-21-2016 5:05 PM

Are you an LEO, live outside of California, or willing to pay through the nose? If not, your only option is the USP.

ajfam87@gmail.com 04-21-2016 5:37 PM

P30's have a similar feel, some might say a little better grip than the VP9.. CalAlumnus is right in California you can only get second hand used ones and prices are high. Supply and demand. The USP'S are also great guns but a little older model. Check out the P2000 series they are good as well. As far as you original question the it depends if you want a Striker fired pistol (VP9) vs hammer P30. The VP9 has one of the best striker fired triggers. The USP series has a better trigger and you can get an nice factory HK match trigger for the US pistols. Good Luck. It's an addiction. I started with one and now have 5 HK'S and on Glock (34)

In California there are more VP9 available about $1000-$1250. I have and like the P30L but I also like hammer pistols a little more.

CockedAndLocked 04-21-2016 5:43 PM

VP9, all the ergo of the p30 but its striker fired and has the best stock trigger of any HK imo. Expect to pay $1100 give or take LNIB

I have the VP9, HK45, USP45 and p30SK and the VP9 is my fave of the bunch.

BoJackUSMC 04-21-2016 5:46 PM

Like my VP9 as well, but cant decide which one I like more... VP9 or G34 or G17... do not have G34, but shot my buddies.. G34 awesome...

For striker fire cant go wrong with VP9....

HK416 04-21-2016 6:12 PM

Do you want 9 or 45? Do you value ergonomics? Depends on what you want to use it for.

htcguy 04-21-2016 6:22 PM

I have the VP9, HK45 and P2000 (.40).... I also have a few Glocks... By far my VP has become my favorite gun. To explain how much I love my VP, I also own a 226 Legion, my VP gets way more use that the Legion!!!!

neomedic 04-21-2016 6:27 PM

Yes to ALL of them

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tbc 04-21-2016 6:59 PM

HK P30L vs Vp9/40 and HK45 vs HK USP .45
 
Are you picky with trigger? If yes, get the VP9/40 only.

If no, are you picky with ergonomic? If yes, do not get the USP.

If no, buy all.

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Shenaniguns 04-21-2016 7:53 PM

I'd skip the P30L and get a regular P30, I swear the heavy slide was cycling in slow motion for a 9mm.
I'd like to try a P30 LEM V1 9mm next time.

Sam 04-21-2016 8:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Shenaniguns (Post 18042829)
I'd skip the P30L and get a regular P30, I swear the heavy slide was cycling in slow motion for a 9mm.
I'd like to try a P30 LEM V1 9mm next time.

Unfortunately didn't get around to taking a look at the P30L but while there is a difference in recoil between a P30 and striker guns, I'm not sure the difference matters too much.

madoka 04-21-2016 8:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Shenaniguns (Post 18042829)
I'd skip the P30L and get a regular P30, I swear the heavy slide was cycling in slow motion for a 9mm.
I'd like to try a P30 LEM V1 9mm next time.

I've got the P30LS and I don't remember that happening. What kind of ammo were you using?

smak28 04-21-2016 8:22 PM

I had all the ones you mentioned but sold my USP45 & kept the HK45. Reason was because the HK45 felt more comfortable vs. The blocky USP45 grip as I have small hands. Both were very accurate but the HK45 was a tad bit more accurate probably because I was able to grip the HK45 better. If my hands were bigger to be able to grip the USP45 better, I wouldn't be able to let go of it that easily.

I sold my P30L .40 but kept my P30LS 9mm & still have my VP9. Got rid of the P30L because it was fairly easy to engage the slide stop even with the slightest touch preventing the slide from locking after last round. It was far too difficult to adjust my grip to prevent engaging the slide stop so it had to go. No problem with the P30LS (safety helps prevent engaging slide stop) and VP9. Both are very accurate and excellent pistols. Tough choice between these two, but I like the P30LS better. The VP9 has a better trigger but I think the longer sight radius on the P30LS helped beat the VP9 in accuracy if you stick to the trigger fundamentals. If you prefer better triggers, go with VP9. If you know your trigger fundamentals and execute them well, go with P30LS but I say stay away from the P30L because of the ease of engaging the slide stop. The shortened slide stop helped but I still accidentally engaged the slide stop..

Sam 04-21-2016 8:26 PM

The shortened slide stops on the P30S/LS guns also work on the P30/L guns.

madoka 04-21-2016 8:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kimxmartin (Post 18041920)
Never tried a p30 but it just awesome and hoping it feels good like VP9/40 since they are so alike.

And also the USP. 45 full size and the newer HK45 just torn. Can you guys help me decide?

If you can't purchase off-roster, I would get the P30. It would not cost much more than a VP9 does in the marketplace.

If you can purchase off-roster, then I'd get the VP9 ($550), because it's a better value than the P30 ($900).

If you can't purchase off-roster, I'd get the USP 45 ($900), because it's a better value than the HK45 ($1500).

If you can purchase off-roster, I'd get the HK45, because I like the improvements it makes over the USP 45.

Saym14 04-22-2016 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by neomedic (Post 18042360)

this is the standard HK owner answer. so you are really asking which one to get first.

Tarkin 04-22-2016 12:45 AM

I have 3 HK45's(one in each color) and 1 VP9. Used to have a USP 45C and a P2000 SK. If you prefer .45 then HK45s are outstanding.

Libertarian71 04-22-2016 2:28 AM

Get the VP9. It has an excellent out-of-the-box trigger. The P30 has good ergonomics, but the trigger is poor. The DA is smooth, but the SA is too long, and reset is way too long.

If you want a .45, get a 1911.

utc 04-22-2016 3:11 AM

USP 45 is a really good pistol. Accurate, reliable, easy to shoot. Best 45 (for me anyway,) I've had Glock 21 gen 4, M&P full size and compact 45 and I still prefer the old USP.

Shenaniguns 04-22-2016 9:18 AM

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Originally Posted by madoka (Post 18042981)
I've got the P30LS and I don't remember that happening. What kind of ammo were you using?

Federal HST 124gr +p and Blazer Brass.

HopetonBrown 04-22-2016 11:40 AM

Not much of a comparison between the VP9 and the others; they're hammer fired.

I wouldn't spend $1k or whatever they're selling for in CA. They're nice, but not that nice.

357manny 04-22-2016 1:44 PM

P30L/S, P30sk, P30/S, HK45, and VP9/40 are all off-roster. So you'll pay a premium on top of the LNIB cost.

P2000, USP full and compact models are all on roster.

I really liked the results of shooting my USP9, but while the trigger was fine, the grips were just too big and blocky for comfort.

I ended up getting a P30L and HK45. The grips on HK45 and P30L ergo-wise both feel great--P30L has the edge. The P30L has a trigger with a long pre-travel and long reset--I'm still training on it. I still love my P30L, and will probably send it in to Gray's for a trigger job, but I haven't done it yet. The HK45 shoots nice out of the box, and is a softer shooter (IMHO) than HK45c.

If I were you, and you know why you want those guns (we don't need to find out if you want a range toy, HD, or whatever), I'd get a VP9/VP40 and HK45.
HK45 ergoes is great, it's not too heavy, it shoots smooth and trigger is decent. I stick with the P30L and HK45 because I prefer the fire control of a pistol with safety/decocker at the same time, and not either or.

P.S. about the P30L having problems on the longslide, there's a lot of youtube vids of the P30L having a problem cycling. Not sure if it's too strong of a recoil spring, or something else. My P30L has had no problems eating any FMJ ammo (reloads, fiocchi, wolf, a few others).

let us know what you get!

Saym14 04-22-2016 1:52 PM

also depends what you want it for. yes the grip of the P30 feels like the VP but not the trigger. I beleive the P30 is built better and will last forever. the VP has some fragile parts.
if you wanted to shoot action matches the VP has the best trigger.

xxxx 04-22-2016 8:11 PM

Some useful info about HK pistols...

In Germany the USP 9mm was designated (by police/military) the P10, the P2000 9mm was the P20, and the P30 9mm was designated the P30.

Basically they are all evolutions of the USP. The P2000 does not offer a safety option. As an owner of P30, and I have shot all of them. The downsides to the P30 is the rough grip (if you plan on CC), and the trigger on the P30/P2000 sucks balls.

caliberetta 04-25-2016 11:34 PM

Just pick one, you will eventually buy another one, and so on. The thing with HK's is, once you get to understand them, you'll want at least one of everything they make.

SKULS 04-26-2016 5:39 AM

OP, why don't you buy vp9 and Usp Elite??

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MighteeJoeYoung 10-11-2017 9:04 PM

I got my FDE VP40 and we lived happily ever after!


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fawndog 10-11-2017 9:22 PM

I can attest to the P30L being a better quality firearm than the VP9. I've had no issues with cycling 124gr ammo and it is extremely accurate. The VP9 has something weird going on with the slide ears, it also loses something to the PPQ in the trigger department. I tried to like it, but I found HK pistols with a LEM v2 trigger were better. Greyguns did work on mine and this is the first HK I really really like (Mark 23 excluded).

Paperchasin 10-12-2017 7:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MighteeJoeYoung (Post 20764130)
I got my FDE VP40 and we lived happily ever after!


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Bumping up a 1.5 year old thread...

D.A.V.I.D. 10-12-2017 7:54 AM

P30L is awesome but only in V1 (light LEM), if its not that then definitely the VP9. They both have great ergonomics but the VP9 felt a little better in my hand. That being said if I had to say which one I thought would last longer I would say the P30, it just feels more robust to me

timeexposure 10-12-2017 9:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Paperchasin (Post 20765123)
Bumping up a 1.5 year old thread...

Yeah, but @SKULS 's HK USP Elite is STILL for sale...

D.A.V.I.D. 10-12-2017 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Paperchasin (Post 20765123)
Bumping up a 1.5 year old thread...

Didnít even notice that

MighteeJoeYoung 10-17-2017 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paperchasin (Post 20765123)
Bumping up a 1.5 year old thread...



LoL I know I was just paper chasin.


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onelonehorseman 10-17-2017 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Paperchasin (Post 20765123)
Bumping up a 1.5 year old thread...

Noticed that too...

EliteCorp 10-18-2017 1:08 AM

I have owned a VP9, and liked it. I own a P30L and love it.

supermario 10-18-2017 11:22 PM

I have/had a USP 9, USP compact 9, P30ls, HK45.
I sold the fullsize USP because i felt the grip was too big for a 9mm, i sold the P30LS because the trigger has a long reset and i would shortstroke the triggee under rapid fire.
I kept the USP compact because the grip is thin and it has a decent trigger reset, better than the P30 and i kept the HK45 because it also has a short reset and nice trigger and excellent grip for such a big gun. The ergos on the p30ls were awesome but in the end, the trigger affected my shooting more than anything. In all honesty, the USP Compact is the perfect sized double action 9mm and it can do anything a P series can do. Just doesnt look as nice but id say its more of a workhorse and has proven itself no doubt.
Get the USP compact used and you can get a really good deal and really great gun.

supermario 10-18-2017 11:25 PM

Oh and i dont own the USP 45 fullsize but they are excellent guns and will do anything the HK5 can do. The HK45 just has it beat with the thin ergo grip and rail. Thats it.
I would bet the USP 45 is the more durable reliable gun. Even though HK45s are aresome as well. And like i said, i have the HK45 but only bought it over the USP because i have small hands and the Usp was too big for me.

Saym14 10-18-2017 11:37 PM

first as an HK fan and owner you are really asking which of them should I get first or in what order.

P30 is built like a tank and will last you forever.
VP9 offers you the awesome striker fired trigger but I don't believe it will last as long as a P30
USP 45 (or 9) again is built like a tank and will last forever but with less ergonomics as the P30 and Vp9
HK45 takes the USP and adds the P30 type ergonomics.
personally in .40 Cal would be my last choice.

if you can afford one HK you can afford them all!!!


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