2013 Fed S 150 Feinstein - AW ban TEXT NOW AVAILABLE
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d113:s150:
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Now, please stop making new DiFi AW Ban threads.
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NOTHING IS SAFE WHILE CONGRESS IS IN SESSION. Dianne or any other Senator can amend the bill at any time before it becomes law. WE NEED TO FIGHT FOR ALL OF OUR RIGHTS, EVEN IF YOUR GUN IS NOT ON THIS LIST. |
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I very rarely post, especially in the political side of the forum, but feel compelled to now.
One reason I rarely post here is that I would be just preaching to the choir. Unfortunately, the choir has seen more and more people just humming their own little tune. We need to get back onto the same sheet of music: We are against any and all such legislation. Don't be afraid to preach to the choir; that's how you get them to sing! And don't be surprised by the inclusion of 22lr; they are setting precedent for future grabs. I also see too many taking the same approach that LEO's are forced to---- doing their best to clean up after the crime was committed and file their reports on the dead bodies. We know that they would like to -stop- the crime from occurring in first place. That's what we need to do now. We cannot wait to see what we will do to exercise our rights under a new bill, or try to figure out how to fight it in court after its passage. We need to stop it from happening in the first place, and THEN BE READY to transition to a post passage fight. Planning only a counter-attack means you're planning to be the first to lose. We need to be involved in -all- aspects of this battle; defensive fortifications, attack -and- counterattack. Only then can we hope for success. We -are- on the defensive right now, meaning that we are on the wrong foot. But quietly hoping for the best will allow the worst. Remember, it's the loud, misguided, and oppressive few that are gaining ground. Don't agree with past and upcoming rallies? That fine; contribute to the NRA-ILA. Disagree with the NRA? That's fine; join the GOA. There are options. The best being to take multiple approaches. Just as long as you do saddle-up. p.s. This not an attack on those of you who are obviously joking in this thread; just trying to do my part to get you all to sing. |
Some of you are falling for the "shell game" being played by Feinstein here. You are making the mistake of thinking that because some (Kel-Tec SU16CA, Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle, etc.) are not mentioned by name, that they are not banned elsewhere by feature or by the simple fact that they are semi-automatic.
There is no cause for celebration here, nor any collective sigh of relief. |
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Even if (big if) it doesn't hurt us, tell me, what purpose could it possibly serve to list make and models not included in any of these bills? Only to pat ourselves on the back and say "at least mine are safe, this time". Moderators and activists have asked not to do it, most posters agree. The risk is greater than the reward. Not that hard of a concept to figure out bud. But you go be the rebel that you are. :eek: |
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Dear Senator Feinstein, Today I watched as you unveiled your attempt to once again restrict the rights of me and my fellow Americans. As a hunter and sportsman I am offended by the comment that no one is trying to take my guns; the fact of the matter is that is EXACTLY what you are trying to accomplish. Even if you don’t take away my guns, you will have effectively taken them from future generations. As a father I am saddened that by outlawing the transfer of your listed firearms, my daughter will never be able to receive her rightful inheritance and those firearms that should be rightfully hers will be seized and melted down by the government. As a citizen of this country, I am concerned that the government that is supposed to represent me feels the need to either disarm me or treat me as a criminal. As a veteran of a foreign war (Operation Desert Shield/Storm), I find it incredible that the elected representative from my state can attack the founding document of this nation with impunity and with no regard for what the veterans of this nation have fought to protect. In short, Senator Feinstein, I am disgusted that you would stand on the graves of innocent children in an attempt to push through your personal agenda. This is not about preventing homicides as the firearms you have chosen to ban account for less than three percent of the weapons used in homicides (per 2011 FBI statistics). Rather this is about taking the first step towards total disarmament of the citizens of this nation. As Ben Franklin so aptly said, “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” -Xxxx Xxxxx A veteran and voter in the State of California -Ruskie |
It is definately a far flung attempt at gun grabbing. We still must fight it even if there isnt a chance it will pass. Someone mentioned that it is more about shifting the baseline on what is acceptable. The more crap they throw in there, the better the chance they can pass something less reaching down the road. They will be seen as 'reaching across the aisle' as a compromsie.
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This is a response letter I recieved from Assemblywoman Beth Gaines:
Dear Sir, Thank you for contacting my office regarding your concerns about overbearing gun control legislation as a result of the recent shootings in the U.S. I agree with you and I will continue to support our constitutional right to own firearms. Thank you again, for contacting my office and fighting for the 2nd Amendment. Best regards, BETH GAINES Assemblywoman, 6th District |
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People need to stop reading through the lists, it does not matter what is included and what is not. I do not care which of my firearms are affected or if I could modify them to meet the new criteria. I dont care if were able to knock off half of the list of even the one characteristic test, I will not stand for any part of this bill passing in any form. WE need to strike this one down and then start working on removing the bad laws already in place.
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Instruct your Senators and Reps to refuse to compromise. Kill this thing in its current form! Tim |
I'm waiting for the final text, but I've already spotted a fatal flaw.
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Put your long pants on gentlemen, this one is going to get ugly. For those of you who think this thing is dead in the water, dream on. There is no compromise on either side of this so we must defeat this. Losing this battle means too much.
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People keep saying it's not going to pass because we understand math and politics. Anyone who thought it couldn't pass in 1994 did not understand math or politics. When the 1994 AWB was passed there were 258 Democrats and 176 Republicans in the US House. Of the Democrats, 188 voted for the AWB, and and 64 voted against. On the Republican side 46 voted For the ban, and 131 voted against.
That's about 25% defection from each party's stand. It is logical to assume that similar percentages would not vote with the party this time- Yes, The climate in the country towards gun rights is very ugly right now, but it was very ugly in 1994 as well. There had been a number of mass murders by way of shooting in the prior couple years, including what up to that point was the deadliest shooting spree in US history in a fast food establishment in Kileen, TX, as well as The infamous Long Island Railroad murder spree. There was also a school shooting in 1989 in Stockton, CA which killed 6, and was the impetus for the CA AWB which was what the Federal AWB was based on and inspired by. Emotions were running high then too. There are a lot of similarities between then and now, and a few very important differences. 242 Republicans and 190 Democrats currently serve in the US House. It is likely that NRA membership is roughly double what it was in 1994- the only statistics I can find on this is that Membership has tripled since 1978, which was 16 years before the 1994 AWB. It has been 19 years since 1994, so it is likely that more than half of that growth has been since 1994. Regardless of the specific stats, it is obvious that the NRA is a much more powerful political force than it was in '94. The NRA grades members of congress, and the grades have skyrocketed since the 90's because politicians know how powerful the NRA is, so they have fallen in line. See: http://votesmart.org/interest-group/...2#.UQIMZo5MY20 (then) and http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...itics/nra.html (now). Obviously it is important for us to not retreat now. I have written my representatives, and certainly encourage everyone to do the same. I just feel the frenzy of panic engulfing this site and our culture is not justified, and does not really do any good for us as gun owners, or the industry as a whole. Yes, the manufacturers are reaping massive profits right now. Gun shops did quite well for a while, but the consumers are paying for it, and the distributers and retailers across the country are going to have a very hard time continuing to do business if they have no product to sell, which seems to be the current situation. If we could all just try to be rational and put our efforts into political action instead of overpaying for guns and ammo that will likely be much easier to come by and cheaper in a few months, I believe it would serve us all well. |
The way I see it ...If we gun owners don't get organized and fight this with every thing we have ....we will be sorry....
So please someone get a plan coming and lets do it.... |
We need to stop letting psychotic 80 year women make the rules.
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Also, try going to town-hall meetings, write letters, call people.. Be the change you want to see. Want people to think gun owners are "normal" Be "normal".. Gun rights aren't partisan; constantly attacking democrats, while ignoring the fact that there's a lot of republicans that are also useless when it comes to the 2nd, isn't useful. The message needs to be that the 2nd is about civil rights. It's NOT about partisan politics. But, talk to people. Invite them to the range. Educate them. That's how you win. |
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So, will Obama, Feinstein, and the rest of these people be held responsible after the next mass shooting that they will directly failed to prevent?
I'd say anyone who removes rights, fails to place armed guards in schools, fails to abolish gun-free zones, and otherwise fails to act accordingly from a position of power is guilty of contributing to the next shooting deaths we have in a major mass shooting. |
Easy way to oppose this: https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/113/s150/report#nation
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Don't get complacent folks, read "American gun owners a bunch of fools?"
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/are-...unch-of-fools/ |
just keep fighting the fight.
donate, write your reps, spread the word. It's gonna be a LONG year. |
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Keep it up... :D |
My request is simple and brief. The Second Amendment of the Constitution was crafted with great foresight to protect the ability of the citizen to bear arms, to protect onself from their government should it become tyranical. Today, as in days past, that is a necessary right. Unfortunately many politicians are forgetting this, and trampling on their oaths to defend and protect the Constition. Please do not do this. Please take the time to look at crime statistics, and FBI data. Taking legally owned weapons from the hands of law abiding citizens will only increase crime by criminals who by definition do not follow laws and will prey on those they know to be unarmed. Also, please stop being a hypocrit, as you have a concealed carry pistol and armed guards.
(my email to Feinstein) |
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Dear Mr. and Mrs. XXXXXXXXX:
Thank you for contacting me to express your support for common-sense gun laws. I appreciate hearing from you, and I share your desire for sensible federal gun safety legislation. The massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School tragically stole the lives of 26 people, including 20 small children, and broke all of our hearts. We have failed our children, and we must take common-sense steps now to protect them. Since 1999 - the year of the massacre at Columbine High School - 258 students, teachers, and others have been killed in school shootings. Another 212 have been wounded due to gun violence at our schools. The slaughter of innocents must stop. We cannot prevent every attack by those who wish us harm, but we can and must take some common-sense steps. First, we must take weapons of war and high-capacity clips off our streets; second, we must ensure that local law enforcement is involved in reviewing conceal and carry permits; third, we must close the gun show loophole so background checks are conducted; fourth, we must keep all guns out of the hands of the mentally ill and get them the help they need; and fifth, we must keep our schools safe by utilizing all of the law enforcement tools at our disposal. In the days ahead, I will work for a comprehensive strategy, which includes sensible gun laws, a focus on mental health, and school safety. When there are an estimated 300 million firearms in the United States, nearly one gun per person, now is the right time. When more than 31,000 people die each year from gun violence in our nation - 87 people every day - now is the right time. Again, thank you for writing to me. Please feel free to contact me again about this or other issues of concern to you. Sincerely, Barbara Boxer United States Senator I guess she didn't READ my letter.:facepalm: |
i dont get why people are so concerned about which gun is on a certain list? who cares? no compromise!
im not even a fan of the ar15 or any gun in CA that needed a bullet button but i still fought for it when all that YEE crap was going on this is nothing different, we just need to keep fighting for our rights no matter what!!!! NO MORE, NOT ONE INCH!!!! oh yea and stop panic buying and supporting the price gougers SMH |
Gun rights in California are already to strict just imagine a federal law that bans everything. This is just a way to control the people, just in case there is another revolution. That way no one has a way to fight back. The **** is going to hit the fan soon and they don't want us armed. We will have to resort to the middle east tactics of sling shots and rock throwing. LoL.... we need to push back hard to stop them from taking are guns. Here is a link to send the political parties a letter to fight for gun owners. http://www.ruger.com/micros/advocacy/#
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Not one inch! https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/s...aignID=nranews |
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https://www.nra-2013.org/ |
AWB
Her bill has a snow balls chance in he** of passing. Heck, they don't even have the votes in the Senate, let alone the House.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...ss-senate.html Boehner's statement that the House will look at anything the Senate passes is a smart play. If Reid tables the bill and the Senate votes on it, it would give our side good ammunition in the mid term elections against any Democrat who votes for it. Reid knows this, which is why I think he'll once again kill it in committee just like he does every year. By some miracle, if it does get to a Senate floor vote, it will just get filibustered and there is no way they have the 60 votes needed to shut down a filibuster. I don't even think they have the 51 needed for it to pass the Senate. This bill is dead again this year. Let's not forget good ole DiFi introduces much the same bill every single year. It's just getting more press this time. |
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