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alex332 12-02-2012 4:57 PM

Remington 700 SPS
 
Well I bit the bullet and picked up a 700 SPS AAC-SD model. Was a super deal and I couldnt pass up. Its still in jail for the next few days.
As I know nothing about scopes/rails and muzzle breaks I was looking to see if someone can point me in the right direction. Shooting will take place anywhere from 100 to 1000yds. Is the steel case ammo alright to use here and there? Ive been seeing mixed reviews for the .308. I've used some in my .40cal before without issue.

Dano2467 12-02-2012 6:04 PM

I have heard that the steel case ammo has potential to scar/scratch your action surfaces due to steel on steel vice brass on steel. I am not for sure this is a verifed issue, but seems valid to me, like the steel could cause a burr that then catches on brasss shells maybe???

Rorge Retson 12-02-2012 6:08 PM

I don't know much, but I do believe it is muzzle "brake" and not "break." ;)

alex332 12-02-2012 8:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rorge Retson (Post 9837777)
I don't know much, but I do believe it is muzzle "brake" and not "break." ;)

Ok, ok so I didn't proof read :facepalm:

khw9mm 12-02-2012 8:34 PM

What are your intentions with this rifle? Hunting? Just plinking around or long range precision? That might dictate the accessories you would want in your new 700 along with ammo selection.

Z33 Josh 12-02-2012 9:09 PM

I'm with dano. I've always been taught brass>steel so the extra effort (in my opinion) is worth shooting brass casings.
Although, if you shot it every now and then I can't see it doing any harm. I mean, the fact that steel cased ammo is even made says something about it's usability and I don't see any harm in shooting it every now and then.

Now as far as scopes/rails, 20 moa rails tend to be the most common and would give you a good medium considering you want to shoot somewhere between 100-1000yds.
However, you need to take into account the tube size, elevation capabilities of your scope....
So with that being said, what we really need to know is your budget for optics.

alex332 12-02-2012 9:36 PM

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Originally Posted by khw9mm (Post 9838910)
What are your intentions with this rifle? Hunting? Just plinking around or long range precision? That might dictate the accessories you would want in your new 700 along with ammo selection.

This is going to be a range rifle. Not looking to get into competition shooting, just looking to shoot. Both messing around and long range.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Z33 Josh (Post 9839144)
I'm with dano. I've always been taught brass>steel so the extra effort (in my opinion) is worth shooting brass casings.
Although, if you shot it every now and then I can't see it doing any harm. I mean, the fact that steel cased ammo is even made says something about it's usability and I don't see any harm in shooting it every now and then.

Now as far as scopes/rails, 20 moa rails tend to be the most common and would give you a good medium considering you want to shoot somewhere between 100-1000yds.
However, you need to take into account the tube size, elevation capabilities of your scope....
So with that being said, what we really need to know is your budget for optics.

I would be willing to spend up to $600 on a good optic. Hell, thats more then I spent on the gun :P

ar15barrels 12-02-2012 10:00 PM

What is your accuracy requirement?

If you are looking at steel cased ammo, don't be disappointed if it shoots 3 moa groups.
If you want to shoot sub moa groups like every single person on the Internet, plan on only using match ammo that's gonna cost around $1 to $1.75 per round depending on where you buy it.

ar15barrels 12-02-2012 10:03 PM

For $600 budget on a scope, mount and rings, I suggest these:

Nikon buckmaster 4.5-14x40 with mildot reticle and side focus
http://swfa.com/Nikon-45-14x40-Buckm...pe-P42210.aspx

Or Bushnell Elite tactical 5-15x40 with mildot reticle
http://swfa.com/Bushnell-5-15x40-Eli...pe-P48272.aspx

TPS 20 moa base
http://swfa.com/TPS-XP-Tactical-1-Pi...se-P42035.aspx

TPS rings
http://swfa.com/TPS-Tactical-Scope-1-Rings-P41891.aspx

alex332 12-02-2012 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ar15barrels (Post 9839480)
What is your accuracy requirement?

If you are looking at steel cased ammo, don't be disappointed if it shoots 3 moa groups.
If you want to shoot sub moa groups like every single person on the Internet, plan on only using match ammo that's gonna cost around $1 to $1.75 per round depending on where you buy it.

I fully understand that I'm not going to have sup moa groups with the cheap russian ammo. My question is the risk with the cost. I've been using it in my .40cal without flaw but have been reading mixed reviews about the larger rifle rounds.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ar15barrels (Post 9839509)
For $600 budget on a scope, mount and rings, I suggest these:

Nikon buckmaster 4.5-14x40 with mildot reticle and side focus
http://swfa.com/Nikon-45-14x40-Buckm...pe-P42210.aspx

Or Bushnell Elite tactical 5-15x40 with mildot reticle
http://swfa.com/Bushnell-5-15x40-Eli...pe-P48272.aspx

TPS 20 moa base
http://swfa.com/TPS-XP-Tactical-1-Pi...se-P42035.aspx

TPS rings
http://swfa.com/TPS-Tactical-Scope-1-Rings-P41891.aspx

Thank you!

ar15barrels 12-03-2012 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex332 (Post 9839865)
I fully understand that I'm not going to have sup moa groups with the cheap russian ammo. My question is the risk with the cost. I've been using it in my .40cal without flaw but have been reading mixed reviews about the larger rifle rounds.

It's probably not going to blow your gun up.
If you want to learn to shoot a precision rifle, you will need precision ammo.
There is no such thing as "just practicing" with crap ammo and expecting to learn from it.

If all you want to do is shoot huge targets at 100yds or just feel recoil, the crap ammo is fine...

artimious7 12-03-2012 5:27 AM

Does anyone know if the barrel on the 700 SPS Tactical ever wears out? If so, what is the round count of that barrel?

m1match 12-03-2012 6:07 AM

All rifle barrels wear out. 308s are one of the best centerfire rifles for barrel life, most people who shoot them will say you will get 5K to 10K of useable accuracy out of a 308 barrel. Enough that I have yet to shoot out a barrel in any of my precision rifles.

I never understand why people spend money on a rifle because they "want to shoot long range" and then they shoot the cheapest crap ammo they can find. I see it all the time at my local club, people will be blasting away at targets that are 500 to 800 yds away and they won't be hitting anything the entire time they are at the range. Then they leave dissappointed where they would have had a much better experience shooting good match ammo and hitting a few targets. An analogy would be someone buying a used Corvette and putting tractor tires on to save money.

bcrich 12-03-2012 6:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex332 (Post 9839350)
This is going to be a range rifle. Not looking to get into competition shooting, just looking to shoot. Both messing around and long range.

Why not? Come out to a match at Angeles or west end gun club...anywhere and I guarantee you will be hooked after you get some basic dope on the gun!

HK Dave 12-03-2012 7:34 AM

Take a good look at the SWFA 10x.

Z33 Josh 12-03-2012 9:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ar15barrels (Post 9839509)
For $600 budget on a scope, mount and rings, I suggest these:

Nikon buckmaster 4.5-14x40 with mildot reticle and side focus
http://swfa.com/Nikon-45-14x40-Buckm...pe-P42210.aspx

Or Bushnell Elite tactical 5-15x40 with mildot reticle
http://swfa.com/Bushnell-5-15x40-Eli...pe-P48272.aspx

TPS 20 moa base
http://swfa.com/TPS-XP-Tactical-1-Pi...se-P42035.aspx

TPS rings
http://swfa.com/TPS-Tactical-Scope-1-Rings-P41891.aspx

100% agreed. I doubt you'd ever need anything stronger than around 14-15x, and to find a scope that still has good clarity and quality at higher magnifications would mean even more $$.

I used to have the buckmaster on one of my hunting rifles, great scope.

(The bushnell is a little pricier, but is probably a better scope. I've never owned one though so I'm not sure.)

You can get a good deal on the nikon for $250 here:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-Buckma...item35c22bac51

Quote:

Originally Posted by HK Dave (Post 9840855)
Take a good look at the SWFA 10x.

I doubt he'd want a fixed magnification. Just an assumption though!

Coyotegunner 12-03-2012 11:55 AM

Come on folks.Lets buy a decent gun and put some decent ammo through it.Get a decent scope and really appreciate what you spent your hard earned money on.Spend as much as you can afford on the scope,rings and mount.
I do not think anyone is going to be on here saying they know of decent steel case ammo.If a pistol at 15 yds works fine with it,Great.A rifle is being asked to go out alot further.
I hear folks more often than nought saying their rifle will not group for s**t and maybe they should buy some good ammo to try it.I try and tell them it is the gun that that is bad and sell it to me for $200.
I reload for everything,and even my least expensive rifles shoot sub 1" at 100yds.Yea that includes a Mini 14 as well.It is a sometimes quite a task to find what a rifle likes.I would rather shoot 20 rds well than 100rds not so well.

ILVSMOG 12-03-2012 2:28 PM

SWFA 10x scope, 20moa 1-piece base with some decent rings and some Federal Gold Medal Match ammo will have you sorted out.

alex332 12-03-2012 3:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bcrich (Post 9840595)
Why not? Come out to a match at Angeles or west end gun club...anywhere and I guarantee you will be hooked after you get some basic dope on the gun!

Oh I know I'll love it! One day Ill get into it. Just have other things going on
Quote:

Originally Posted by Coyotegunner (Post 9842404)
Come on folks.Lets buy a decent gun and put some decent ammo through it.Get a decent scope and really appreciate what you spent your hard earned money on.Spend as much as you can afford on the scope,rings and mount.
I do not think anyone is going to be on here saying they know of decent steel case ammo.If a pistol at 15 yds works fine with it,Great.A rifle is being asked to go out alot further.
I hear folks more often than nought saying their rifle will not group for s**t and maybe they should buy some good ammo to try it.I try and tell them it is the gun that that is bad and sell it to me for $200.
I reload for everything,and even my least expensive rifles shoot sub 1" at 100yds.Yea that includes a Mini 14 as well.It is a sometimes quite a task to find what a rifle likes.I would rather shoot 20 rds well than 100rds not so well.

I didnt mean to open a can of worms about ammo. Like I said I know Im not going to group with the steel case. Well aware of that. I also plan on buying the match grade so that I can group.
Quote:

Originally Posted by ILVSMOG (Post 9843409)
SWFA 10x scope, 20moa 1-piece base with some decent rings and some Federal Gold Medal Match ammo will have you sorted out.

Thank you!

ulpian 12-03-2012 7:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ar15barrels (Post 9840047)
If you want to learn to shoot a precision rifle, you will need precision ammo.
There is no such thing as "just practicing" with crap ammo and expecting to learn from it.

Amen!

BTW, anyone know a good vendor for Federal Gold Medal 308 168 gr Matchking?

Anti-Hero 12-03-2012 7:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ulpian (Post 9845767)
Amen!

BTW, anyone know a good vendor for Federal Gold Medal 308 168 gr Matchking?

I get mine from sportsmans warehouse. $22.99 p/box of 20. Good stuff.

http://www.sportsmanswarehouse.com/s...6039/cat115305

They have the 175gn too for the same price.

ZX-10R 12-04-2012 5:54 AM

Everything is about how much you want to spend and what you are using it for....My buddy bought a Millett LRS-1 and loves it...Shoots .5 MOA all day up to 100yrds and is great beyond. We shoot at SLOSA so we get a nice distance to shoot from. However, he ordered a JAE stock...He wanted something that fit better than the normal stock...So as you can see his priorities were different. I would not go JAE but there are great stocks for considerably less and there are a lot of pricey scopes out there but if you multipurpose it, then a pricey scope will just get banged up and might not serve your purpose or you might want something that fits better because the stock stock is just all over the place....So purpose and budget is what you need to consider.


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