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jimbo74 12-09-2017 2:44 PM

CA Ammo Ban
 
So, just curious as to what is going to happen to this part of the forum after Jan. 1, 2018?

It is my understanding, that we can still buy and sell ammo to each other here on the board, but we will now be required by law to keep records? And run background checks to whom we sell to? or?

simonp 12-09-2017 2:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbo74 (Post 21008465)
So, just curious as to what is going to happen to this part of the forum after Jan. 1, 2018?



It is my understanding, that we can still buy and sell ammo to each other here on the board, but we will now be required by law to keep records? And run background checks to whom we sell to? or?



Not unless the sale goes through an FFL or ammo vendor like a ppt sale does is my understanding of the current proposed regulations


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Full Clip 12-09-2017 4:36 PM

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Originally Posted by simonp (Post 21008475)
Not unless the sale goes through an FFL or ammo vendor like a ppt sale does is my understanding of the current proposed regulations

This. And I'm sure you will also pay the FFL/vendor a fee.

simonp 12-09-2017 4:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Full Clip (Post 21008885)
This. And I'm sure you will also pay the FFL/vendor a fee.



Of course


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Anonreg_89323423 12-09-2017 4:38 PM

Like the old man told me: Buy as much as you can afford, it ain't getting any cheaper.

M1NM 12-09-2017 4:51 PM

All my assembled ammo will be sold as componets only. You will be required to sign a statement that I sold you - brass, primer, powder & projectiles. It's up to you to determine how you want to disassemble it to reuse the parts.

Xerxes 12-09-2017 6:25 PM

Has anyone investigated the selling of ammunition after Dec 31 other than the C&R COE thingy?

Specifically has anyone discussed with the so called "dealers" to see what their thoughts are like will they accept shipments from internet purchases, would the they a private party FTF sale, and how all of that is suppose to work? Also what kind of fees are they talking bout.

I figure to keep costs down I will have to buy multi-thousands of rounds at time else for that $3 box of 22LR add $15 background check and $25 FFL fee and it comes up to $43. So then the state gets to tax you on $43 instead of $3 so the total ends up being $47 instead of $3.30.

What a racket.

acfarer 12-09-2017 6:37 PM

Don't forget the $50 annual ammunition buying permit fee.

thisxguy 12-09-2017 6:43 PM

Sounds like it'll be better to buy ammo at the shooting range

I also believe they're limiting the amount of ammo you can buy at a time

jimbo74 12-16-2017 9:20 AM

as the deadline gets closer, how exactly is this whole thing supposed to work now?

cgseanp1 12-16-2017 10:08 AM

Has any dealer chimed in anywhere saying how much they will charge to receive ammo for you online?

simonp 12-16-2017 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by cgseanp1 (Post 21036810)
Has any dealer chimed in anywhere saying how much they will charge to receive ammo for you online?



Tracy gun and rifle told me same as receiving, a firearm heard the same from a few others


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AGGRO 12-16-2017 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by thisxguy (Post 21009382)
Sounds like it'll be better to buy ammo at the shooting range

I also believe they're limiting the amount of ammo you can buy at a time

Why? You can't leave the range with it. Better to reload and give em the finger.

Litespeeds 12-16-2017 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by simonp (Post 21036830)
Tracy gun and rifle told me same as receiving, a firearm heard the same from a few others


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You're saying that you heard Tracy Gun & Rifle will charge the same amount for guns or ammo shipped? Most stores charge between $75 to $125 for this fee.

That would be crazy. I thought they would just charge $10 which is what they make when they do a PPT. DROS for a gun is $25 but I wonder will there be a DROS fee too when you buy/sell ammo whether through internet sale or PPT.

simonp 12-16-2017 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Litespeeds (Post 21036873)
You're saying that you heard Tracy Gun & Rifle will charge the same amount for guns or ammo shipped? Most stores charge between $75 to $125 for this fee.



That would be crazy. I thought they would just charge $10 which is what they make when they do a PPT. DROS for a gun is $25 but I wonder will there be a DROS fee too when you buy/sell ammo whether through internet sale or PPT.



That is what they and other FFLs have said, much like PPTs they may be required to offer the service but the FFLs really do not want to receive ammo for you from online sales, they want. you to buy their ammo so they are going to do whatever they can to make it cost prohibitive! I was talking to a guy at reeds and its the same story from them, trying to figure out the price and part of the equation is do they need to hire someone just to do the paperwork, assuming that people are ordering in bulk and that it cant be on the floor in public per the law and it cant be mixed in with their inventory, their storage is upstairs so someone has to lug your or my 10,000 rounds of .45 up and down when its delivered and for pick up..... yeah you can see why FFLs really donít want you to have your bulk shipments go to their doorstep.


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nedro 12-16-2017 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Litespeeds (Post 21036873)
You're saying that you heard Tracy Gun & Rifle will charge the same amount for guns or ammo shipped? Most stores charge between $75 to $125 for this fee.

That would be crazy. I thought they would just charge $10 which is what they make when they do a PPT. DROS for a gun is $25 but I wonder will there be a DROS fee too when you buy/sell ammo whether through internet sale or PPT.

If I have to buy enough ammo to absorb this fee, Gun Store Clerks will have lots of Workers comp claims. Their fat asses will not be able to move that much ammo.

simonp 12-16-2017 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by nedro (Post 21036954)
If I have to buy enough ammo to absorb this fee, Gun Store Clerks will have lots of Workers comp claims. Their fat asses will not be able to move that much ammo.



Exactly! That is what I told the guy I was talking to when he was asking my thoughts on price, I told him if they charge the $100-$125 then I would be ordering 1-2 times a year and it would be 10-20K rounds to absorb the costs.


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Litespeeds 12-16-2017 10:58 AM

I think there is a maximum amount of ammo that is allowed to be order at one time too. I sure DOJ won't allow you to buy 5-10K rounds for one transaction.

If ammo has to be purchased through FFL's, will Walmart still sell ammo?

simonp 12-16-2017 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Litespeeds (Post 21036989)
I think there is a maximum amount of ammo that is allowed to be order at one time too. I sure DOJ won't allow you to buy 5-10K rounds for one transaction.



If ammo has to be purchased through FFL's, will Walmart still sell ammo?



Iíve not seen any round limits in the regulations, can you post a link to that?


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Litespeeds 12-16-2017 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by simonp (Post 21036992)
Iíve not seen any round limits in the regulations, can you post a link to that?


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You're probably right. I didn't confirm that rumor. I think I read it somewhere but it's a possibility.

Here is a good article for those who want to know what's going on:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/poli...124456164.html

Xerxes 12-16-2017 8:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Litespeeds (Post 21037092)
You're probably right. I didn't confirm that rumor. I think I read it somewhere but it's a possibility.

Here is a good article for those who want to know what's going on:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/poli...124456164.html

Round limit was infrequent transfer to family members or such as I recall. Like a limit of 50 rounds or such. Others smarter than me can chime in.:oji:

ANYONE HAVE AN UPDATE ON FFL's AND WILLINGNESS TO DO TRANSFERS ON FFT OR INTERNET/CALGUNS SALES?

I Swan 12-17-2017 12:42 AM

I guarantee FFL's will find excuses to refuse ammo shipments made in your behalf by claiming storage space problems whether real or made up.

Buckshot51 12-17-2017 3:54 AM

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Originally Posted by thisxguy (Post 21009382)
Sounds like it'll be better to buy ammo at the shooting range

I also believe they're limiting the amount of ammo you can buy at a time



Will you still be able to buy ammo at the range without all the nonsense ?


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pagedeveloper 12-17-2017 5:37 AM

That is why I am going to do only reloading. No need to deal with that BS. From what I have read, DOJ is still posted the exact process that will be needed. So it should be fun..

jmpeal 12-17-2017 5:38 AM

www.sacbee.com/news/state/article189213039.html

I see a lot of local stores making it difficult for people to have ammo shipped to their stores when they have it stock and at a much higher price.
We all had a lot of time to stock up.

simonp 12-17-2017 7:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jmpeal (Post 21039617)
www.sacbee.com/news/state/article189213039.html

I see a lot of local stores making it difficult for people to have ammo shipped to their stores when they have it stock and at a much higher price.
We all had a lot of time to stock up.



No store is going to facilitate easy or inexpensive online purchases and processing.


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RedCloud 12-17-2017 10:09 AM

Can we expect Calguns to get this overturned like they did the preban hi cap mag law?

Evil Dog 12-17-2017 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by RedCloud (Post 21040496)
Can we expect Calguns to get this overturned like they did the preban hi cap mag law?

Those who don't expect are never disappointed. I just ordered in a few bricks of Eley Club and Eley Match figuring that it is my last chance.

mxapacbell 12-17-2017 10:34 AM

is it ok if I travel to Nevada and bring back some ammo ?

ekinwong 12-17-2017 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by mxapacbell (Post 21040592)
is it ok if I travel to Nevada and bring back some ammo ?

Up to 50 rounds each time if I'm not mistaken

simonp 12-17-2017 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mxapacbell (Post 21040592)
is it ok if I travel to Nevada and bring back some ammo ?



Looking online at Nevada ammo prices Iím not seeing much of an incentive to do that anyways


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16in50calNavalRifle 12-17-2017 11:50 AM

While this thread almost certainly belongs in the CA legal section, it's appropriate that it's here, where some who don't check that section might see it. My impression is that not many shooters in CA have really thought about what the new law will mean for ammo prices. Don't blame CA gun people, who have to check new gun laws like a financial person monitors a stock market ticker, to keep up with developments.

But unless (unlikely) there is a successful injunction to delay this law, I think this law will have a greater impact on shooting sports and firearm owners in CA than any other law so far, with the possible exception of the handgun roster.

striker777 12-17-2017 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mxapacbell (Post 21040592)
is it ok if I travel to Nevada and bring back some ammo ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ekinwong (Post 21040733)
Up to 50 rounds each time if I'm not mistaken

I have never been restricted in quantity in another state.

striker777 12-17-2017 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by acfarer (Post 21009362)
Don't forget the $50 annual ammunition buying permit fee.

NEVER..... I am not playing this permit shtif anymore HSC,FSC, and now APP (ammunition purchase permit) screw California.

I reload everything but 7.62x39 because of the cheap cost of ammo but I see down the road powder, primer and brass is going to be next it will be called a (ammo component permit).

simonp 12-17-2017 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 16in50calNavalRifle (Post 21040820)
While this thread almost certainly belongs in the CA legal section, it's appropriate that it's here, where some who don't check that section might see it. My impression is that not many shooters in CA have really thought about what the new law will mean for ammo prices. Don't blame CA gun people, who have to check new gun laws like a financial person monitors a stock market ticker, to keep up with developments.

But unless (unlikely) there is a successful injunction to delay this law, I think this law will have a greater impact on shooting sports and firearm owners in CA than any other law so far, with the possible exception of the handgun roster.



Sadly I canít disagree with you. I think in a generation or two at most we wonít have shooting sports in California any longer due to the lack of availability of Guns, ammo and ranges.


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thisxguy 12-17-2017 2:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mxapacbell (Post 21040592)
is it ok if I travel to Nevada and bring back some ammo ?

Bringing ammo into California is supposedly a misdemeanor if caught. I think i read it needs to be shipped to a FFL to come into CA

:(

Maht_g 12-17-2017 5:27 PM

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Originally Posted by striker777 (Post 21040890)
I have never been restricted in quantity in another state.

Itís a limit on how much you can import back into Cali, not how much you can buy in Nevada.

I agree on not playing the permit crap anymore, I bought a HSC about 10 yrs ago, never renewed due to ccw working for handguns. Havenít bought a long gun since FSC came about, and wonít give the state a penny for a Ammo permit... F em, I have reloading capability for everything I own except .22 and Iíve got enough of that to last a few... decades

estatesale 12-17-2017 6:24 PM

Prop. 63’s more rigid requirements would be that the sale of ammo without a license carries a misdemeanor for any business or person selling more than 500 rounds per month. In 2018

cmc.pavilion8118 12-17-2017 6:51 PM

How trading ammo?

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billped 12-17-2017 8:16 PM

Lots of unanswered questions, including:
* Can a non-CA resident bring in ammo to CA as they drive between bordering states, like OR and AZ?
* Can a CA resident bring (for example) 1000 rounds to NV and bring it back? Does the person require evidence of the prior exportation? If so, would a receipt help?
* Is the CA resident "drive it across the border" restriction still in the law or not? I've seen both yes and no.
* As asked in the previous post, can two CA residents swap ammo? I have commie ammo I'd love to trade for 5.56 and 9mm, for example.

I'm sure there are many others.


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