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user01394 07-10-2018 12:38 PM

Entry level trap/skeet shotgun
 
Any recommendations on something to start doing beginner competitions at triple B clays?

Thefeeder 07-10-2018 3:07 PM

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What ever shotgun you have now that holds two shells will work fine. Getting out there and learning is more important then what you bring.

Call Triple B and find out if there are requirements for shotguns...you may have to do some mods to your gun if it is HD configured

Take a SoCal Skeet/Clays clinic
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1081488

Contact Trapperjohn for info about the clinic or Triple b in general

Go have fun

whutsup40 07-10-2018 3:22 PM

CZ has some very nice o/u for well under a 1000.00, I have a canvasback and a redhead premier, my buddy has a redhead premier and an ultralight, points good, swings nice and fun to shoot!! just shot a 23 and a 25 at skeet on Sunday with the 20 gauge

Im Broken 07-10-2018 7:12 PM

Careful with buckle wearers and ladder standerers. Lol

With that said most places dont allow barrels shorter than 26". I know Rahagues no longer allows them. Id say start with a mid grade auto loader that you can change chokes on.

I started with a auto loader smith and wesson 1000m. Low grade full choke shotgun. I was horrible but shot well once i got the hang of leading the target and stuff like that. Ive only been shooting sporting clays for a year actually. This past sunday was a year ago i started shooting sporting clays. Ive shot trap but find it less fulfilling.

I now shoot a Browning Citori that i bought last December and wont be going back to anything else.

ysr_racer 07-10-2018 7:31 PM

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Originally Posted by user01394 (Post 21864217)
Any recommendations on something to start doing beginner competitions at triple B clays?

I was wondering this myself. Any suggestions?

MJB 07-10-2018 8:29 PM

Something about an A hundred being the best

What do you have?

Newshooter 07-10-2018 8:30 PM

Stating your budget would go a long way when asking for a recommendation.

A Beretta A300 is a solid starter.

meno377 07-10-2018 8:49 PM

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Originally Posted by user01394 (Post 21864217)
Any recommendations on something to start doing beginner competitions at triple B clays?

OP. If you know for sure you want to start shooting skeet or trap, (which many don't) I would recommend an autoloader for starters. Here is a thread on it. The only change I would make is based on steel shot so don't get an old A5 Browning. Otherwise:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1457958

user01394 07-10-2018 10:19 PM

I have a stock Remington 870 but from what I was looking at you need different barrels and chokes. Something 5-700 is fine less is better.

meno377 07-10-2018 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by user01394 (Post 21866560)
I have a stock Remington 870 but from what I was looking at you need different barrels and chokes. Something 5-700 is fine less is better.

Only if the barrel is less than 26 inches, however I believe Triple B's allows 20 inch barrels for trap and skeet. Most other places require at least 26 inches. Chokes are widely available. Most newer barrels/shotguns come with at least one choke if it's designated as a field/clay gun. HD guns have cylinder bores which work fine for skeet and trap with beginners. The limitation for HD/security type guns are the length of the barrels.

Thefeeder 07-10-2018 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by user01394 (Post 21866560)
I have a stock Remington 870 but from what I was looking at you need different barrels and chokes. Something 5-700 is fine less is better.

If stock means hunting/sport configuration....you are good to go. Or, if stock means stock HD you may just need to swap out a few parts... you can be GTO for under 200 with a barrel and furniture from Ebay

For now don't worry about chokes, shoot whatever you have. You won't hit or miss any targets when you first start out because of chokes

sgtmrangel 07-11-2018 2:31 AM

Mossberg 930

LuckyGuy 07-11-2018 2:37 AM

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Originally Posted by user01394 (Post 21864217)
Any recommendations on something to start doing beginner competitions at triple B clays?

Maybe a side by side shotgun.

russ69 07-11-2018 2:39 AM

I recommend buying a quality gun that you'll use and keep for years. Don't waste money on a cheap gun, you'll be using this gun for the rest of your life. The shotgun forums have many threads about what gun to pick. My personal choice for a do everything gun is a 12 gauge semi auto with 28 inch barrels.

user01394 07-11-2018 8:08 AM

Thanks unfortunately I canít make it to the Calguns lessons due to my schedule but Iíll try and get out there with what I have.

ysr_racer 07-11-2018 9:13 AM

We go to Raahauge's in Corona every Friday morning, you're welcome to join us.

ysr_racer 07-11-2018 9:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MJB (Post 21866145)
Something about an A hundred being the best

What do you have?

Am I better off with three A100s, or one A300?

:)

RNE228 07-11-2018 10:37 AM

Watch the used racks at LGS for a Rem 1100.

I picked up a Skeet model a couple years back; has been a great clay gun. Have put a bunch of rounds thru it at Sac Valley, and a few at Comanche Hills and Coon Creek. Still need to make it out to Raahauge's in Dunnigan(NorCal)

bigbearbear 07-11-2018 12:46 PM

A Beretta Silver Pigeon I Sporting or a Browning Citori 725 will be a good place to start. They both have excellent track record and can be fitted with precision fit stock if you want to have a fully adjustable stock for the shotgun.

Wife and I shot Benelli shotguns for many years before switching to O/U, semi-autos are good general purpose shotguns to have in your collection and generally gives better bang for your bucks. So if you have limited budget, consider a semi-auto from Beretta or Benelli.

RNE228 07-11-2018 2:30 PM

This is best idea. Sometimes it is hard to find a range that rents though...

I found Birds Landing rents; I rented an Beretta O/U a few weeks ago.

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Originally Posted by ScottB (Post 21867287)
Before you spend any money, go to the range a few times, rent or borrow a gun, shoot a bit and look at what others are using. Avoid any thing that appeals because of the "look" or the idea" of it (i.e. vintage, sxs, etc). You want what works. Its about the sport, not the gun.


RNE228 07-11-2018 2:32 PM

Does Bobcat still make the A300? What would you do with a skidsteer?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ysr_racer (Post 21867728)
Am I better off with three A100s, or one A300?

:)


Newshooter 07-11-2018 2:35 PM

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Originally Posted by russ69 (Post 21866796)
I recommend buying a quality gun that you'll use and keep for years. Don't waste money on a cheap gun, you'll be using this gun for the rest of your life. The shotgun forums have many threads about what gun to pick. My personal choice for a do everything gun is a 12 gauge semi auto with 28 inch barrels.

Amen...Buy once, cry once

Ducky's Dad 07-11-2018 5:57 PM

Come on, guys! OP is on a budget and already has an 870 and wants to start shooting BEGINNER clays. Just about any 870 would be a great starter gun for him, and HE ALREADY HAS ONE, even if he has to find a used barrel for his game. Give him sensible advice, not the usual crap. Some of you are on the money, others are just bloviating.

russ69 07-11-2018 6:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducky's Dad (Post 21869815)
Come on, guys! OP is on a budget and already has an 870 ...others are just bloviating.

The 870 can be used for trap but a pump is a poor choice for skeet or sporting clays, that's why we didn't recommend it.

Horrendo Revolver 07-11-2018 6:11 PM

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Originally Posted by user01394
Something 5-700 is fine less is better.

New:
Weatherby SA-08

Mossberg 930

Beretta A300

Remington V3 Sport - https://grabagun.com/remington-83400...eld-sport.html

Remington 1100 - https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...ynthetic_black

Used: The world is your oyster.

Ducky's Dad 07-11-2018 6:49 PM

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The 870 can be used for trap but a pump is a poor choice for skeet or sporting clays, that's why we didn't recommend it.
Real men shoot pump guns. That's why you didn't recommend it. He's a beginner and on a budget and he has an 870 and 870s have successfully shot millions of rounds of skeet. He'll learn the game and figure out what he wants to buy, and shooting skeet and trap doubles with an 870 will make him a better shooter. He doesn't need to get a new gun now. It's too damn soon to throw money away, because he does not yet know what he is doing.

ceh383 07-11-2018 7:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducky's Dad (Post 21870016)
Real men shoot pump guns. That's why you didn't recommend it. He's a beginner and on a budget and he has an 870 and 870s have successfully shot millions of rounds of skeet. He'll learn the game and figure out what he wants to buy, and shooting skeet and trap doubles with an 870 will make him a better shooter. He doesn't need to get a new gun now. It's too damn soon to throw money away, because he does not yet know what he is doing.

This and, if he gets serious about clay shooting, he'll be likely to change guns in a year or two any way. Shoot what you have and learn, both the game and what you like/don't like in a gun.

skinnyjay 07-11-2018 7:52 PM

I would recommend an over/under with 28" barrels. If you just shoot trap, I would recommend 30".

At Triple B trap ranges, you have to be careful because racking the gun (pump) triggers the mic alot, and lets a clay go when you don't want it to.

Semi's are cool but depending on the gun, the spent shell sometimes ejects it to the person on your right. Loading the breech also sometimes sets of the mics at the trap ranges.

O/U's are best because of the safety aspect. You can use two different chokes when shooting skeet. They're alot more customizable. They're usually the more common shotgun at clay fields but often the most expensive. Barrels can also be interchanged. I have a Beretta 682X and it has a single 32" barrel and 28" double barrel.

Overall, anything will be fine. No need to be drop too much money. The gun is cheapest part of the sport if you continue to shoot clays long term.

A high quality gun will only make you a little better. Practice is what makes you good.

Jay

870classic 07-11-2018 9:24 PM

question: doesn't Triple B's rent shotguns? If so, ask their advice on which shotgun to start off with. (Renting)


Personal observation: Start with a semi auto 12ga. Less recoil and more pellets to increase your chances of success.

(Personal preference for the last 35 years)
For ATA trap singles, 16 yard and 20 yard handicapped, I use an 870 12ga
For skeet I use an 870 20ga.
For Sporting clays I use a Beretta 682.

YMMV. Best regards,
870classic

Thefeeder 07-11-2018 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by russ69 (Post 21869863)
The 870 can be used for trap but a pump is a poor choice for skeet or sporting clays, that's why we didn't recommend it.

That is one of the most repeated misconceptions on the net. I'll be glad to show that it is in person

Meanwhile, here is a vid --Shooting Skeet with 870's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GbRTbfnwxI

user01394 07-12-2018 6:57 AM

I was shooting my 870 at clay my friends were throwing and was doing pretty well. I tried a friends 20G single shot and I was awful. I also tried buck shot in my 870 and was bad.

I would rather not spend extra money at the moment so Iíll go out with my 870 to start and go from there. Thanks.

Ducky's Dad 07-12-2018 7:27 AM

There are lots of variations of 870s. Which model is yours and how is it configured?

Eat Dirt 07-12-2018 7:44 AM

I have 1963 Browning ' Superpose ' 12 ga.
Over /under
( Called Browning to verifi serial number age )
Just incredable , 'out of the box ' condition

Going to be posting it for sale
Unless this local guy comes thru with ' If you ever want to sell it "

ChuckDizzle 07-12-2018 8:20 AM

I've been very happy with my Mossberg 930. It's not great in the fit/finish department, but it busts clays with the best of them and comes with three chokes from the "accuchoke" line. I use modified for trap.

It's also the softest shooting 12g I've ever fired. If you go with the synthetic stock there's even a few spacers included to help size the gun for you, but I liked wood and it fits a novice like me just fine.

russ69 07-12-2018 8:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Ducky's Dad (Post 21870016)
Real men shoot pump guns. That's why you didn't recommend it. He's a beginner...

There are plenty of fine shooters that can work a pump gun efficiently, but it's still no where near the gun of choice for any game that requires two shots. Absolutely no one shoots a pump in competitive levels of skeet or doubles trap in the last 40 years. For a new shooter, it's an even bigger handicap and that's why I can't recommend it.

Edit: I don't think you will find any champion skeet shooter recommend one either.

Trapdude86 07-12-2018 9:28 AM

I would find a sporting gun over a trap one. To me it’s a lot easier to shoot a sporting gun all around than a trap gun.

Ducky's Dad 07-12-2018 9:40 AM

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There are plenty of fine shooters that can work a pump gun efficiently, but it's still no where near the gun of choice for any game that requires two shots. Absolutely no one shoots a pump in competitive levels of skeet or doubles trap in the last 40 years. For a new shooter, it's an even bigger handicap and that's why I can't recommend it.

Edit: I don't think you will find any champion skeet shooter recommend one either
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Did you miss the details about his being a BEGINNER who already HAS AN 870, and IS ON A BUDGET and wants to try TRAP & SKEET? It will be a long time before he needs a "better" gun. And there is absolutely zero handicap shooting an 870 on 16 yard singles.

russ69 07-12-2018 9:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ducky's Dad (Post 21871958)
...And there is absolutely zero handicap shooting an 870 on 16 yard singles.

The 870 is fine for trap, I shot one for many years. I also shoot skeet with a nice little 28 gauge Browning pump. It is a sweetie.

RandyCat 07-12-2018 1:26 PM

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Originally Posted by user01394 (Post 21871300)
I was shooting my 870 at clay my friends were throwing and was doing pretty well. I tried a friends 20G single shot and I was awful. I also tried buck shot in my 870 and was bad.

I would rather not spend extra money at the moment so Iíll go out with my 870 to start and go from there. Thanks.

Smart choice, listen what TheFeeder says, so far he is the only guy in this thread who pitched in and has hands on experience teaching beginners their first steps in clay shooting.
Start it and in time you will learn what you need and your preferences.
I'm so glad that i did not run to buy an O/U. After a month or so of clay shooting i understood it is not for me. If i bought something, i'd be stuck with one more unneeded gun in safe.

aye_dre 07-12-2018 3:43 PM

I started off shooting clays with my Mossberg 500 and upgraded to a Franchi Afffinity, which I recommend. Cheaper than an O/U and runs great


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