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dakobster81 03-01-2010 3:04 PM

Eotech XPS2 or Aimpoint ML3
 
I originally wanted an Aimpoint ML3 but am having second thoughts. A guy offered me a brand new XPS2 for $400 OTD, which is a better price than I've seen anywhere. The main reason I preferred the Aimpoint was that it had more QD mounting options than the XPS2. The only ones I've seen are LaRue(which adds height and no room for a pivot magnifier) and GG&G which has a big ugly finger loop.

Which one do you guys think I should go with?

Booshanky 03-01-2010 3:05 PM

I love my eotech. That's all I can say about it I guess.

dakobster81 03-01-2010 3:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Booshanky (Post 3887912)
I love my eotech. That's all I can say about it I guess.

do u have mounted directly to your upper?

Booshanky 03-01-2010 3:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dakobster81 (Post 3887937)
do u have mounted directly to your upper?

I do, no QD for me. Although I am using the handscrew on it, not the allen screw. So I guess it's "QD" if you count being able to remove it with your fingers...

I just like the view from an eotech better than aimpoint. Maybe it's just cause I'm used to it, but they're both good sights. You can't really go wrong.

dakobster81 03-01-2010 3:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Booshanky (Post 3887945)
I just like the view from an eotech better than aimpoint.

I think thats is what I need is to see the view, unfortunately i know no one with either one

Booshanky 03-01-2010 3:32 PM

I think the only real way to do it is to find someone with the sight you want, on the type of gun you have, and just go shoot it. Hell, just hang out at any range and you're bound to run into a least one guy with an aimpoint or an eotech. And if there's one thing I've learned about gun people, it's that they're MORE than happy to let you shoot their guns if you just flatter them a bit. And frankly, it's pretty easy to flatter people if they've got sweet guns. Haha.

tomd1584 03-01-2010 3:50 PM

:beatdeadhorse5::lurk5:


But seriously, if you can try both out, do that and then make your decision.


I found a used H-1 micro for $325 on M4carbine, bought a DD mount used for $50, and now have an awesome setup.

Booshanky 03-01-2010 3:53 PM

Tom, if you find that deal again let me know.

Booshanky 03-01-2010 3:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dakobster81 (Post 3887965)
I think thats is what I need is to see the view, unfortunately i know no one with either one

Well, where do you live? I'm self-employed and I'm always up to hit the range. If you're in Socal, PM Me.

IrishPirate 03-01-2010 3:55 PM

after my research i plan on getting an aimpoint....but i can't knock eotech at all....just a personal preference i guess

dakobster81 03-01-2010 3:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Booshanky (Post 3888179)
Well, where do you live? I'm self-employed and I'm always up to hit the range. If you're in Socal, PM Me.

how many more times will this forum make me wish i was in socal? im in san jose

i cant sign up at arf, only have a yahoo email

tomd1584 03-01-2010 3:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Booshanky (Post 3888177)
Tom, if you find that deal again let me know.

they pop up over there all the time. Guys 'upgrading' to T-1's. :cool:

KracknCorn 03-01-2010 4:03 PM

I had a eotech and it was okay. Got tired of the push button activation and the weak battery life. I got a t-1 to replace it and it's a fantastic upgrade. The battery is just impossible to kill and I find it easier to get on target with just a dot.

Endless 03-01-2010 4:06 PM

I am running an Eotech XPS on my KRISS and you cant get much better. I saw the Aimpoints and they are a great optic as well. I wouldnt say Aimpoints are an upgrade at all. I am running an ACOG that is twice the price of the Aimpoint and Eotech. That doesnt make it a better optic. I used to run Aimpoints and they had some issues back in the day and are better now. Same can be said with the Eotech. Depends on what you will be using it for.

dakobster81 03-01-2010 4:46 PM

can anyone find pics of the view to help give me an idea, i know ive seen one around here somewhere

Booshanky 03-01-2010 4:47 PM

You really need to feel it for yourself. No amount of explanation is going to help you.

EDIT: The basics is that the aimpoints tend to be more of a "tube" that you look down, while the eotech's are more of a "window". For this, you seem to sacrifice a lot of battery time.

I'd prefer to get the better FOV and store a few extra batteries in my gun.

Noah3683 03-01-2010 5:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dakobster81 (Post 3888471)
can anyone find pics of the view to help give me an idea, i know ive seen one around here somewhere

just got to youtube and search for it. there are videos that show the reticles for each

Agro 03-01-2010 5:09 PM

I love my Eotech XPS2-0

Here are some photos for your viewing pleasure. Mounted on a LaRue mount. Disregard the fact that it doesn't look sighted in, that's because it wasn't (at that time, and is now)
http://www.farturator.com/amg/ar-15/eotech-1.jpg
http://www.farturator.com/amg/ar-15/eotech-2.jpg
http://www.farturator.com/amg/ar-15/...complete_1.jpg

Noah3683 03-01-2010 5:14 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF6fGJiXoNA

A comparison between the 2. not the xps2-0 but it will be the same reticle. Also the xps has some upgrades like the single battery turned sideways so recoil doesn't eventually effect the battery contacts over time like the previous eotechs were prone to. Eotech's are quite brighter than aimpoints too. helps if you live in bright areas like the high desert

dakobster81 03-01-2010 5:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Noah3683 (Post 3888633)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF6fGJiXoNA

A comparison between the 2. not the xps2-0 but it will be the same reticle. Also the xps has some upgrades like the single battery turned sideways so recoil doesn't eventually effect the battery contacts over time like the previous eotechs were prone to. Eotech's are quite brighter than aimpoints too. helps if you live in bright areas like the high desert

good vid to see reticles

Smokinjoe101 03-01-2010 6:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dakobster81 (Post 3887904)
A guy offered me a brand new XPS2 for $400 OTD, which is a better price than I've seen anywhere.?

It would be a no-brainer XPS2 $400 OTD :eek: I paid over $500 for mine

you can use it and if you do not like it sell it for $450.

sj

tomd1584 03-01-2010 6:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Noah3683 (Post 3888633)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF6fGJiXoNA

A comparison between the 2. not the xps2-0 but it will be the same reticle. Also the xps has some upgrades like the single battery turned sideways so recoil doesn't eventually effect the battery contacts over time like the previous eotechs were prone to. Eotech's are quite brighter than aimpoints too. helps if you live in bright areas like the high desert


you sure about that? my H-1 on the highest setting is so bright i cant even look through it.

Noah3683 03-01-2010 6:31 PM

my buddies comp m4 was nowhere near as bright as the eotech on another friend's. sun gets pretty bright at 4000+ feet elevation in the desert. we never got fully washed out by the sun, but sometimes it was quite difficult to pick up the dot. The eotech on the other hand was always easy to pick up. maybe it's mind perception because the eotech has the outer ring and maybe it makes it more visible. I like the design of the aimpoint better, but I like the reticle of the eotech and the visibility better. Plus i want close range capability with fairly precise shooting at a distance too. If aimpoint did a 1 moa dot inside a ring, I would take the aimpoint for sure. Although a 2moa dot would be sufficient for me I would still like the outer ring. different strokes for different folks i guess

Nessal 03-01-2010 6:50 PM

The Aimpoints look better to me and having messed with both, I went with the Eotech because it works better for me.

aplinker 03-01-2010 7:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Noah3683 (Post 3889091)
my buddies comp m4 was nowhere near as bright as the eotech on another friend's. sun gets pretty bright at 4000+ feet elevation in the desert. we never got fully washed out by the sun, but sometimes it was quite difficult to pick up the dot. The eotech on the other hand was always easy to pick up. maybe it's mind perception because the eotech has the outer ring and maybe it makes it more visible. I like the design of the aimpoint better, but I like the reticle of the eotech and the visibility better. Plus i want close range capability with fairly precise shooting at a distance too. If aimpoint did a 1 moa dot inside a ring, I would take the aimpoint for sure. Although a 2moa dot would be sufficient for me I would still like the outer ring. different strokes for different folks i guess

top brightness setting on both won't wash out. I can look directly at a 150W bulb and still see the dot on a CompM4. I doubt you're anywhere near that brightness when looking out at the desert.

The battery life, weight, and ruggedness advantage goes to Aimpoint.

EOTech's reticle is nice and has a small speed advantage.

Running either properly (mounted forward, both eyes open) the window vs. tube effect is nullified.

If EOTech made a sight that didn't break I'd consider going back. Too new for the XPS, IMHO. The 5XX series has been all but abandoned, due to battery and electronic issues, by people who run them hard.

Noah3683 03-01-2010 7:07 PM

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Originally Posted by aplinker (Post 3889303)
top brightness setting on both won't wash out. I can look directly at a 150W bulb and still see the dot on a CompM4. I doubt you're anywhere near that brightness when looking out at the desert.

The battery life, weight, and ruggedness advantage goes to Aimpoint.

EOTech's reticle is nice and has a small speed advantage.

Running either properly (mounted forward, both eyes open) the window vs. tube effect is nullified.

If EOTech made a sight that didn't break I'd consider going back. Too new for the XPS, IMHO. The 5XX series has been all but abandoned, due to battery and electronic issues, by people who run them hard.

Well i'm in the unfortunate situation right now, that the only way i'm allowed to replace my stolen eotech is buying one and spreading it out over 4 payments. Sportsman's Guide doesn't carry aimpoint, so I have no choice anyway. lol

HUND 03-01-2010 7:46 PM

I don't want to sound stupid but what is the range on Aimpoint system ?
200yds

Or am i way off ... wrong system alltogeather

aplinker 03-01-2010 7:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HUND (Post 3889607)
I don't want to sound stupid but what is the range on Aimpoint system ?
200yds

Or am i way off ... wrong system alltogeather

Maybe this image will help... an aimpoint will follow line of sight. The bullet will follow an arc.
http://www.frfrogspad.com/traj.gif

It will depend on the bullet's trajectory, size of target (required accuracy) and zero choice.

From a practical standpoint, with an RDS, a 50/200 zero will be effective on man-sized targets to 250yds.

J_Rock 03-01-2010 8:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Noah3683 (Post 3888633)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF6fGJiXoNA

A comparison between the 2. not the xps2-0 but it will be the same reticle. Also the xps has some upgrades like the single battery turned sideways so recoil doesn't eventually effect the battery contacts over time like the previous eotechs were prone to. Eotech's are quite brighter than aimpoints too. helps if you live in bright areas like the high desert

It sounds to me like you've never even held an aimpoint and all you're doing it is basing your OPINION off a crappy video and pictures. Also nutnfancy is the laughing stock of the serious use gun world. Lemme guess he chose the lightest optic :p

Turn an aimpoint on the highest setting and its blindingly bright.

HUND 03-01-2010 8:09 PM

Awww .. so you adjust it to the target range.

My concern is getting a system that will put down a tight group at 200yds

A traditional scope would work but not something i realy want to put on my first AR

I went with a Del-Ton 16" M4 kit on a S&W lower

Thank for the help

J_Rock 03-01-2010 8:12 PM

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Originally Posted by HUND (Post 3889773)
Awww .. so you adjust it to the target range.

My concern is getting a system that will put down a tight group at 200yds

A traditional scope would work but not something i realy want to put on my first AR

I went with a Del-Ton 16" M4 kit on a S&W lower

Thank for the help

Red dot sights are typically set and forget it type sights. Most users will zero their optic at 50 yards so they will be slightly high at 100 yards and dead on again at ~200 yards.

Red dot sights are NOT percision optics. They for getting hits on human silhouettes quickly at generally close ranges

Noah3683 03-01-2010 8:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J_Rock (Post 3889763)
It sounds to me like you've never even held an aimpoint and all you're doing it is basing your OPINION off a crappy video and pictures. Also nutnfancy is the laughing stock of the serious use gun world. Lemme guess he chose the lightest optic :p

Turn an aimpoint on the highest setting and its blindingly bright.

Actually I only posted that for him to see the different reticles. I have used both I prefer the aimpoint overall other than the reticle and brightness, in which I also said maybe the reticle of the eotech just makes it SEEM brighter to me.. Maybe you should read my posts a little more in depth before talking smack. I didn't watch the whole video simply looked for the reticle images, and I could care less which one you prefer I'm entitled to my own opinion. so thanks anyway

J_Rock 03-01-2010 8:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Noah3683 (Post 3889809)
Actually I only posted that for him to see the different reticles. I have used both I prefer the aimpoint overall other than the reticle and brightness. Maybe you should read my posts a little more in depth before talking smack. I didn't watch the whole video simply looked for the reticle images, and I could care less which one you prefer I'm entitled to my own opinion. so thanks anyway

So why spread false information about aimpoints being less bright and hard to see?

HUND 03-01-2010 8:16 PM

I think I need to hang out at the range to check out both systems before i buy

Any out there that will do the job for around $300 ?
None that I have found so far

Thanks

tomd1584 03-01-2010 8:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HUND (Post 3889773)
Awww .. so you adjust it to the target range.

My concern is getting a system that will put down a tight group at 200yds

A traditional scope would work but not something i realy want to put on my first AR

I went with a Del-Ton 16" M4 kit on a S&W lower

Thank for the help

tight groups @ 200 yards + del-ton 16" m4 kit = not gunna happen.

HUND 03-01-2010 8:17 PM

Put'm on a paper plate at 200 ?

Noah3683 03-01-2010 8:19 PM

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Originally Posted by J_Rock (Post 3889819)
So why spread false information about aimpoints being less bright and hard to see?

Like i said re READ the post. maybe that's just my eye perception because of the reticle differences. Our experience that day was the aimpoint was harder to see. So maybe pay attention before jumping down peoples throats. thanks

tomd1584 03-01-2010 8:19 PM

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Originally Posted by HUND (Post 3889830)
Put'm on a paper plate at 200 ?


yes, but not "tight" groups. a 16" m4 kit is a "fighting" gun, not a precision rifle.

dakobster81 03-01-2010 8:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J_Rock (Post 3889819)
So why spread false information about aimpoints being less bright and hard to see?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noah3683 (Post 3889837)
Like i said re READ the post. maybe that's just my eye perception because of the reticle differences. Our experience that day was the aimpoint was harder to see. So maybe pay attention before jumping down peoples throats. thanks

shhhh...you guys are welcome to find another thread to argue with each other about it

HUND 03-01-2010 8:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tomd1584 (Post 3889839)
yes, but not "tight" groups. a 16" m4 kit is a "fighting" gun, not a precision rifle.

I agree but not ever having one let alone shoot one I just trying to get the idea of what to expect.

And find what everybody else is using for a sight system

Funny thing about AR's at least my local gun shops most places don't carry much .. and a few know a little.

This site and AR15.com has been a BIG help !


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