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Spike8484 12-05-2017 10:55 AM

New Vortex Razor HD 1-6 or 1-8
 
Just got word vorte. Is dropping new razor HD 1-6 or 1-8 in 2018.
Any insiders know what it really is Iím in the Market but will wait if something good is on its way

skyscraper 12-05-2017 10:58 AM

That would be sweet. Hopefully its a 1-8 to complete with Trijicon's accupower. I'm about to buy that scope but will wait if Vortex is going to debut a razor 1-8 at SHOT in january.

CSTactical 12-05-2017 11:17 AM

Yup, I posted here this morning...

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Originally Posted by CSTactical (Post 20989362)
No problem, let us know! By then the new Razor Gen? 1-? should be out :D

From Vortex this morning...

Can you spot the difference? Coming 2018.

Only one way to see it - sign up for our newsletter - drops 12/08/17 http://www.vortexoptics.com/content/vortex_enewsletter


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skyscraper 12-06-2017 7:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CSTactical (Post 20990010)
Yup, I posted here this morning...

Help me out here... I don't see a difference :D

Do you think it is it going to be a 1-8?

CSTactical 12-06-2017 8:21 AM

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Originally Posted by skyscraper (Post 20993365)
Help me out here... I don't see a difference :D

Do you think it is it going to be a 1-8?

We'll find out in just two days ;)

skyscraper 12-06-2017 9:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CSTactical (Post 20993717)
We'll find out in just two days ;)

Ok. I marked my calendar!! :D

dwalker 12-06-2017 11:55 AM

Still not going to be FFP

CSTactical 12-06-2017 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dwalker (Post 20994628)
Still not going to be FFP

That's a good thing IMO, for Low Powered Variables I prefer SFP or DFP which allows the brightness to be truly daytime bright.

Brush Guard 12-06-2017 1:07 PM

… and I like my cross hairs to stay thin, so as not to block out the target.

With a 1X6 or 1X8, I’ll be on the highest power setting if I need to use the graduations.

Spike8484 12-06-2017 1:19 PM

Yes I don’t see how come everyone wants ffp what is the benefit of this over sfp?

Paperchasin 12-06-2017 3:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike8484 (Post 20994951)
Yes I donít see how come everyone wants ffp what is the benefit of this over sfp?

https://www.primalrights.com/library...t-3-sfp-vs-ffp

CSTactical 12-06-2017 3:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Paperchasin (Post 20995433)


For higher magnification FFP has its advantages, but we are talking 1-6/8 aka Low Powered Variables.

Paperchasin 12-06-2017 3:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CSTactical (Post 20995519)
For higher magnification FFP has its advantages, but we are talking 1-6/8 aka Low Powered Variables.

Understood. While it may not offer a clear advantage, what would be the dis-advantage of FFP on a LPV (other than cost)?

Spike8484 12-06-2017 3:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Paperchasin (Post 20995433)

Well I learned a lot seems like the ffp is the way to go especially if you use the bdc reticle system you know your holds and your good from 1x-6x or8x seems like other is too much to think about especially since I’m not always going to be maxed out on targets. Yes I would like to know any disadvantage of ffp seems like it’s more advantageous

CSTactical 12-06-2017 4:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Paperchasin (Post 20995550)
Understood. While it may not offer a clear advantage, what would be the dis-advantage of FFP on a LPV (other than cost)?

Answered it above...
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Originally Posted by CSTactical (Post 20994653)
That's a good thing IMO, for Low Powered Variables I prefer SFP or DFP which allows the brightness to be truly daytime bright.


CSTactical 12-06-2017 4:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike8484 (Post 20995612)
Well I learned a lot seems like the ffp is the way to go especially if you use the bdc reticle system you know your holds and your good from 1x-6x or8x seems like other is too much to think about especially since I’m not always going to be maxed out on targets. Yes I would like to know any disadvantage of ffp seems like it’s more advantageous


With LPV's people usually are at the bottom (1X) or top (4/5/6/8) and the corresponding hashmarks are calculated at its highest magnification. No matter what reticle you use your dope needs to be calculated to your specific setup.

One more more slight disadvantage is that the reticle can be difficult to pick up at 1X since it's usually much smaller.

Paperchasin 12-06-2017 4:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CSTactical (Post 20995642)
Answered it above...

So its purely preference then...People always gripe about the daytime bright dot but I've found the illumination on scopes like the VCOG to be adequate.



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Originally Posted by CSTactical (Post 20995665)
One more more slight disadvantage is that the reticle can be difficult to pick up at 1X since it's usually much smaller.

At 1x you are not looking at the reticle the same way you would at 8x (or high magnification). I would argue that this is an advantage for FFP LPV scopes. No messy harsh marks and large reticle to distract you. You also have better FOV at 1x with an FFP since the entire reticle is shrunk down.

Brush Guard 12-06-2017 5:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Paperchasin (Post 20995550)
Understood. While it may not offer a clear advantage, what would be the dis-advantage of FFP on a LPV (other than cost)?


My only problem with FFP is that the reticle is only thin at the lowest setting. The reticle grows in relation to the target as the scope is zoomed to higher powers.

At the highest settings, the reticle can become fat enough to obscure the target.

Lots of youtube vids that show this.

The advantage to the FFP is the graduations stay constant regardless of the zoom setting. In other words, one can use the graduations for accurate bullet drop at any power setting.

The drawback to the RFP is the graduations are not constant throughout the zoom range. Most RFP scopes require the scope to be set to the highest setting in order for the actual bullet drop to match the reticle.

For some, this is no big deal, particularly for the lower powered scopes like, 1 X 4 or 1 X 6. Because many people will be at the highest power setting when using the graduations for bullet drop.

The advantage to the RFP is that the reticle stays thin at any power setting. Some people who shoot at small targets prefer a thin reticle.

Mute 12-07-2017 7:38 AM

I agree with cstactical on the 1-x scopes. I will choose SFP every time even though for long range precision I wouldn't be caught dead with a SFP reticle scope.

koshkin 12-07-2017 8:46 AM

Once top magnification gets beyond 6x or so with scopes that have a 24mm objective, I start leaning toward FFP reticle.

The reason really comes down to exit pupil size. If we look at a 1-6x24 scope, I get a 4mm exit pupil at 6x, and that perfectly sufficient for me to use for a good variety of lighting conditions. At 8x, we are down to 3mm and for some shots, I may want to dial the magnification down a little while still taking a fairly long shot with reticle used for holdover. With SFP, I need to know which exact magnification I am at and recalculate what reticle subtensions are at that setting. With FFP, I settle on the magnification I want, and fire a shot. I do not need to know what exactly that magnification is and reticle subtensions are always the same. That is why the 1-8x24 scope I use the most is Burris XTR II 1-8x24 with FFP reticle, while with 1-6x24 designs, I am equally comfortable recommending both SFP and FFP designs.

A little while back I wrote about FFP vs SFP reticles here:
http://opticsthoughts.com/?p=1915

ILya

Spike8484 12-07-2017 1:13 PM

Does anyone here have experience with the vortex 1-6 viper? I’m curious if the red dot in the middle is truly daylight bright. I’m in the market for either this optic or a razor HD but the price diffence is got me looking at cheaper options. I’m coming from the vortex viper 1-4 which has no true illuminated reticle it’s basicslly useless unless your indoors

dwalker 12-07-2017 5:39 PM

FFP is not a preference if you are shooting at small things far away, regardless of scope magnification. If you are SFP you really only have a 1 and 6X scope, as anything in between the holds are meaningless.
When you have targets at say, 475, 200, 250, 190, and 260 yards I use 8X for the 475yd target, and somewhere around 4 or 5X for the closer shots. The holds remain the same throughout.

A couple of things I have come to feel are absolutely necessary in an AR scope-
FFP- full power is not always needed and it is faster to engage some targets at 4,5,or 6X than 8
Zero Stops- I find it helpful to dial for my farthest target and the zip back to zero for close in targets.
Uncluttered but usable BDC- some reticles are just crazy busy and distracting.

Spike8484 12-08-2017 6:19 AM

The news is out the new vortex razor is exactly the same only 1/4 pound lighter

Paperchasin 12-08-2017 7:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Spike8484 (Post 21002010)
The news is out the new vortex razor is exactly the same only 1/4 pound lighter

It's hard to improve on a nearly perfect scope. Alot of people were concerned about the weight so this was one area of improvement that is welcomed by many.

the Scholar 12-08-2017 10:42 AM

So basically it is still a 1-6x, just lighter? Sounds good to me. I really want to get one and I wasn't sure if I would go with a 1-6x or a 1-8x if it was offered.

Rhyyke 12-08-2017 11:46 AM

Great change as it brings the weight down to the level of the Vudu which I'm a fan of. But I don't see myself ditching my current Razor for the new one.

Spike8484 12-08-2017 1:36 PM

Any one that’s ready to off load there old pos heavy razor hd to upgrade let me know I may be able to take it off your hands lol

CSTactical 12-08-2017 3:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike8484 (Post 21003966)
Any one thatís ready to off load there old pos heavy razor hd to upgrade let me know I may be able to take it off your hands lol

I held off on personally getting one until this announcement, I'll be picking one up eventually for myself :D

skyscraper 12-09-2017 2:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CSTactical (Post 21004348)
I held off on personally getting one until this announcement, I'll be picking one up eventually for myself :D

Any news on the new scope? Its been two days :D

skyscraper 12-09-2017 2:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike8484 (Post 21003966)
Any one thatís ready to off load there old pos heavy razor hd to upgrade let me know I may be able to take it off your hands lol

At an extremely discounted price, I'm assuming? :43:

Spike8484 12-09-2017 2:48 PM

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Originally Posted by skyscraper (Post 21008335)
At an extremely discounted price, I'm assuming? :43:

Absolutely Iím willing to pay under $1000 lol I think Iíd be doing someone a favor that extra weight has got to be slowing them down a lot

koshkin 12-10-2017 8:39 PM

Honestly, I like that Vortex decided to make a lighter version. With all the Razor Gen II scopes, weight was one of my very few complaints. These are generally extremely competent designs. Personally, I would not mind seeing some additional reticles for the 1-6x24 that allow for some wind compensation at distance, but I have a strong suspicion that I am almost the only one who routinely shoots a bit further out with low range variables. With Razor's excellent optics, 6x can take you pretty far out, IMO.

ILya
www.opticsthoughts.com


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