I turned renewal ppk. in on weds. Mine expired the beginning of Feb. I had a renewal appt. for mid April. She stamped my expired permit to be good through March. Hopefully I get the new one here next week.

Looks like Placer County is making some progress to speed up finger printing. I got this email today

Good afternoon-



You are receiving this email because your application for a Concealed Weapons Permit has been approved up to this point and you are already scheduled for a live scan appointment with the Placer County Sheriff’s Office – Auburn (2929 Richardson Drive).



You may keep your existing appointment at our location, or you may now go to one of the following locations for your concealed weapon live scan. Regardless of where you go for your live scan please be sure to print out the DOJ live scan form and take it with you. The live scan form can be found at the following location: http://www.placer.ca.gov/departments/sheriff/ccwpermits. It is attached to this email for your convenience.



This information is current as of the date this email is being sent.



Placer Co. Sheriff’s Office – Auburn Location – your existing appointment
2929 Richardson Drive.
Auburn, CA 95603
(530) 889-6929 – appointment required, no walk-in’s accepted

We may be able to move your appointment up if we have cancellations. Please call us to see if we can move your appointment up.

Please be advised of the following:

· Please bring the completed DOJ live scan form to your appointment.

· Please bring payment in the amount of $193.00 in the form of cash (no bills over $20 please), or check payable to the Placer County Sheriff’s Office.

o This fee includes the following:

§ DOJ/ FBI: $93.00

§ Agency roll fee: $20.00

§ Administrative fee: $80.00

· You will be signing and thumb printing your permit on this day.

· The Department of Justice will forward your results to us. We are unable to give a timeframe of when the Department of Justice will return your results. Once we receive all results from the Department of Justice we will move your file along in the process.

o If your application/ results are approved we will put your permit in the mail to you.

o If your application/ results are not approved you will receive notification via US postal mail.



Auburn Police Department
1215 Lincoln Way
Auburn, CA 95603
(530) 823-4237 x 218
At the time of this email the following are the days/ hours. You may want to confirm with the agency.

Monday: 11:30AM-1:30PM Walk-ins, no appointment necessary
Tuesday through Friday: 1:00PM-4:30PM Walk-ins, no appointment necessary
Please be advised of the following:

DOJ/ FBI: $93.00

Agency roll fee: $ set by the agency

· Please bring the completed DOJ live scan form to your appointment.

· After completion of the live scan be sure to fax, mail, email, or drop off a copy of the completed live scan form to the CCW Coordinator at the Placer County Sheriff’s Office at:

o ccw@placer.ca.gov or

o Fax (530) 889-7897 or

o 2929 Richardson Drive, Auburn, CA 95603

· The Department of Justice will forward your results to us. We are unable to give a timeframe of when the Department of Justice will return your results. Once we receive all results from the Department of Justice we will move your file along in the process.

o If your application/ results are approved we will contact you to have you come into the Sheriff’s Office to sign your permit, give your thumbprint on your permit, and pay the $80.00 administrative fee (payable by cash, no bills over $20 please, or check made payable to the Placer County Sheriff’s Office). Once your permit has been reviewed and signed by the Sheriff we will mail it to you.

o If your application/ results are not approved you will receive notification via US postal mail.



Rocklin Police Department
4080 Rocklin Road
Rocklin, CA 95677
(916) 625-5405

At the time of this email the following are the days/ hours. You may want to confirm with the agency.

Monday: 1:00PM-4:30PM – By appointment only
Tuesday through Friday: 9:00AM-4:30PM – By appointment only

Please be advised of the following:

DOJ/ FBI: $93.00

Agency roll fee: $ set by the agency

· Please bring the completed DOJ live scan form to your appointment.

· After completion of the live scan be sure to fax, mail, email, or drop off a copy of the completed live scan form to the CCW Coordinator at the Placer County Sheriff’s Office at:

o ccw@placer.ca.gov or

o Fax (530) 889-7897 or

o 2929 Richardson Drive, Auburn, CA 95603

· The Department of Justice will forward your results to us. We are unable to give a timeframe of when the Department of Justice will return your results. Once we receive all results from the Department of Justice we will move your file along in the process.

o If your application/ results are approved we will contact you to have you come into the Sheriff’s Office to sign your permit, give your thumbprint on your permit, and pay the $80.00 administrative fee (payable by cash, no bills over $20 please, or check made payable to the Placer County Sheriff’s Office). Once your permit has been reviewed and signed by the Sheriff we will mail it to you.

o If your application/ results are not approved you will receive notification via US postal mail.



Roseville Police Dept.
1051 Junction Blvd
Roseville, CA 95678
(916) 746-1039

***Please note Roseville Police Department is not currently doing live scans at this time, the following schedule is to resume on Tuesday, April 23, 2013:
At the time of this email the following are the days/ hours. You may want to confirm with the agency.

Tuesday through Friday: 9:00AM-6:00PM Walk-ins, no appointment necessary
Saturday: 9:00AM-6:00PM Appt. only

Please be advised of the following:

DOJ/ FBI: $93.00

Agency roll fee: $ set by the agency

· Please bring the completed DOJ live scan form to your appointment.

· After completion of the live scan be sure to fax, mail, email, or drop off a copy of the completed live scan form to the CCW Coordinator at the Placer County Sheriff’s Office at:

o ccw@placer.ca.gov or

o Fax (530) 889-7897 or

o 2929 Richardson Drive, Auburn, CA 95603

· The Department of Justice will forward your results to us. We are unable to give a timeframe of when the Department of Justice will return your results. Once we receive all results from the Department of Justice we will move your file along in the process.

o If your application/ results are approved we will contact you to have you come into the Sheriff’s Office to sign your permit, give your thumbprint on your permit, and pay the $80.00 administrative fee (payable by cash, no bills over $20 please, or check made payable to the Placer County Sheriff’s Office). Once your permit has been reviewed and signed by the Sheriff we will mail it to you.

o If your application/ results are not approved you will receive notification via US postal mail.



Placer Co. Sheriff's Office – Loomis Substation
6140 Horseshoe Bar Road, Ste. D
Loomis, CA 95650
(916) 652-2400

At the time of this email the following are the days/ hours. You may want to confirm with the agency.

Mon - Fri: 8:00AM-5:00PM Appt. only

Please be advised of the following:

DOJ/ FBI: $93.00

Agency roll fee: $20.00

· Please bring the completed DOJ live scan form to your appointment.

· After completion of the live scan be sure to fax, mail, email, or drop off a copy of the completed live scan form to the CCW Coordinator at the Placer County Sheriff’s Office at:

o ccw@placer.ca.gov or

o Fax (530) 889-7897 or

o 2929 Richardson Drive, Auburn, CA 95603

· The Department of Justice will forward your results to us. We are unable to give a timeframe of when the Department of Justice will return your results. Once we receive all results from the Department of Justice we will move your file along in the process.

o If your application/ results are approved we will contact you to have you come into the Sheriff’s Office to sign your permit, give your thumbprint on your permit, and pay the $80.00 administrative fee (payable by cash, no bills over $20 please, or check made payable to the Placer County Sheriff’s Office). Once your permit has been reviewed and signed by the Sheriff we will mail it to you.

o If your application/ results are not approved you will receive notification via US postal mail.



Thank you,



Placer County Sheriff

CCW Division

Well, it would be very interesting to find out what they mean by 'approved up to this point' means. Because your license is either approved upon good cause or not.


And this is wrong.

The demand for the local fees up front is not SB610 compliant. If the local fees total $100 they may only collect 20% at the time of application. They can only collect $113 at the time you apply. The balance may only be collected when they issue your license. Regardless of whether or not they approve your application, you should be recieving notification by mail either 90 days from the time your application was originally submitted or thirty days after they recieve the results from the DOJ- whichever is later.

C'mon man. It means that you're approved contingent on passing the LiveScan checks.

Don't be stupid.

That is how I took it and that the county is working hard to eliminate the finger printing backlog.

Approval for good cause and good moral character is the only approval that matters. And according to the law, the issuing agency is required to notify the applicant of their determination by mail before the applicant is required to obtain training.

This correspondance, on the other hand, is an email that encourages the applicant to pay his fees in full in advance of DOJ/Livescan and since there is no mention of obtaining training and certification- I am assuming that this was submitted at the time of application. Placer appears not to be following SB610.

Expecting law enforcement to administer the law according to the law is not unreasonable. I think they should be held accountable.

The simplest breakdown of the process should be the following;

If any issuing agency is not following this sequence, they need a boot in their butt. Fees will vary by agency.

Placer County does not require a class before your interview. The class certification must be submitted at you fingerprint appointment. This email was to let people who had appointments know that they had created more options for finger printing. I think the county is doing thing that are positively effecting CCW applicants. Here is this complete process
http://www.placer.ca.gov/Departments...ts.aspx#newccw

Oh, that does clear up some things...Thank you. And it seems to reaffirm the problems with the Placer S/O's policies I have pointed out.

While they may be in compliance with some of SB610 (in particular with the collection of fees and notification of denial by mail...), their step by step proceedure conjoined with their 'CCW checklist' found here ( http://www.placer.ca.gov/departments...D608ADD3B.ashx ) appears to be making demands for superflous documentation as well as the training certificate in advance of this determination and even warns... "No application will be submitted for review until all documents are in place."

The following policy requirements are also unlawful;

• The three gun limit. (There is no statutory limit to how many guns one may list.)
• The demand for utility bills or other documentation proving residency. (PC26175(g))
• The demand for business licenses, employer statements or other documentation supporting good cause.(PC26175(g))
• And unless the condition (or any other restrictions) to notify law enforcement that you are a license holder is imprinted on the license, it is no condition at all. (PC26200(b))

An applicant needs to provide just three things in submitting their application. The completed application, their fingerprints and (in Placer counties case) $113.

I interviewed 4/16 and received an email today to go ahead and get live scanned.

Live scan appt set for tomorrow. Going faster than expected. :D

My interview is coming up. Any words of wisdom?

Be honest and up front

Nice, I interviewed in Jan and did not have a live scan appointment until April 16th, Hopefully there new process is speeding things up. If DOJ :oji: would just speed up a little

Did live scan on April 4th, according to DOJ automated system both results were sent back to Requesting agency on April 6th. After calling the sheriff's dept today they say there still waiting on DOJ results. Not sure what to do? They should have the results as of April 6th.

According to statute, the Sheriffs office has 30 days from April 6th or 90 days from the date of initial application (which ever is later) to send their determination by mail. I would wager you would hear from them before then. If not, they could need a friendly reminder from CGF.

They have 30 days from April 6th but there telling me there still waiting on DOJ results. I called the DOJ automated system and its says the results were sent back on the 6th. I'm not sure if there is a mix up some where or they just didn't want to tell me they were back logged. I will just wait it out and see. Thanks for the info

Either the Sheriff's office is lying to you, or the California Department of Justice is. I wouldn't rule out some clerical problem on either end either, but if you were backlogged, would you be completely forthcoming about not abiding by statutory time constraints if it meant you might be sued?

This livescan thing sounds horrible. What's with the lag?

My live scan expieriece was great. The people at the sheriffs office have been very pleasant and easy to talk to. What im hearing is that there doing everything they can to keep up with the high demand for CCW permits and DOJ is very busy also due to the high volume of gun sales. Trying to be patient....after all the time invested, expenses, training, just want to know already.

Acronyms WTH
 

I read page one, part of two, and this last page. It's frustrating because I have no idea WTH anyone is talking about when they throw out GC, GS and WTH ???? What The Hell

It's poor lazy communication. Sorry I'm pissed but this boy club lingo shiat is BS. It doesn't elevate or enhance JAck.

Speak English, Please !!!!

OK

What is GS ?

What is GC ?

Any others ??

Are we on the same team or ????????

Here's another one,

DB

:facepalm:

All you have to do is ask. You don't have to be mean about it. lol (laugh out loud)

Did you actually look at all of the acronyms you used in your own post?.....

GS/GC WAS CLARIFIED in Post #9.

RIATCDD (Read it again, Then calm down, dude)

Lighten up. No CCW for you.

Be happy they kept you in the loop. I could go into great detail with my experience but I don't want them yanking my permit. Just be patient and nice otherwise they will have no problem denying your permit for no reason.

BTW, in Placer if you're pull over by any LE Agency, you have to immediately declare that you have a CCW and are carrying, otherwise it's grounds for revocation. I just talked with them yesterday....new rule....so don't shoot the messenger.

David Sens is a nice man and seems genuinely there to help and make sure your application is solid. Seems that they are still being picky about GC. Self defense is a no go.

I knew Dave when he was with Sac PD (now retired) and he's a good guy. He's just doing what "The Man" tells him to do.

As far as I know it's that way everywhere

Does anyone have any updated info on what constitutes GC in Placer County. I dont have a reason for work, but I would like the option. It sounds like I should take up hiking? Any other suggestions.

Unfortunately, there is no "definitive" GC statement that works. It really depends on the applicant. In speaking with them, they WILL NOT accept protection or SD. There has to be a good reason (according to them) why you want a CCW in Placer.

Well after my initial interview in January and finger printing in April. It came in the mail today. :mnl::clap: I want to tell anyone who might have things in the past that are thinking about applying in Placer County, don't let that hold you back Be honest and disclose everything it paid off. I had two instructors tell me they did not feel comfortable taking my money for a class because odds where not in my favor. When PCSO corrected their procedure to allow for the interview before the class, I took the chance and interviewed. Then took my class once i had a fingerprint date. Thank you to all of you who answered question during
this process.

Does anyone else see what the problems are here?

1) Assuming that the poster applied in January at the same time that they interviewed, it took a minimum of 140 days to get their licence. By law, the issuing agency has to post a letter within 90 days of the initial application or 30 days after receiving the DOJ background check. I suspect the Placer County S/O violated the law by exceeding this time limit.
2) Fingerprints are a component of a DOJ background check. If the background check hadnt come back yet (and by implication, the determination of the S/O as well), the poster shouldnt have proceeded to paying for or obtained their certificate until the PCSO posted a letter of their determination.

Not trying to slam you here. Do you ever just congratulate or just beat up issuing agency. I am all for agency following the rules, I have not searched your other post, do you do this for all counties of just in the Placer County thread. Do you have a bone to pick with PCSO???

I have a bone to pick with every issuing agency entrusted with the administration of carry license policies that fail to follow the law.

Congratulations on the belated issuance of your carry licence. I am sure it was worth wait to exercise your fundemental right to self-protection.;)

The conversations about Live Scan delays seem curious to me, I have been doing some work with Florida MDPD recently and the background check took 2 days. Was not for Carry but if you are going to work on their systems you get checked; even included Interpol.

My interview date is Jan 23rd; what instructors do people recommend?

I just scheduled my interview for Jan 16th 2014. I'm a little late to the party, I know, but I have had a pretty colorful driving record in the past, so I've been waiting for some of that to go > 5 years back.

I'm still concerned about Section 7, question 6. "List any arrest or formal charges, with or without disposition, for any criminal offense within the U.S...., etc."

It doesn't say anything about "within the last five years". What to do?

Always be up front and disclose information. They already know your background. No sense getting denied because of non-disclosure.

Hoologan pm me i would be more than happy to tell you about my experience and how I answered my questions.

Robert

In looking at the "checklist" for the appointment it states:

If your Just Cause is based on work you are doing for your employer, you must provide a written statement from your employer verifying the work you do and their consensus that a CCW is warranted. This must be an original document on company letter head and signed.

My good cause will be in part based on travel as a software consultant. I work for one of the largest software companies and I doubt I could ever obtain such a letter as their lawyers would be paranoid. Is this going to be a deal breaker, any thoughts are appreciated?

I believe it could be a deal breaker. If your basis for obtaining a CCW is travel for work, and your employer doesn't specifically grant you permission, you might be SOL. If you are an independent contractor for yourself, you would be in the clear. Think of other hobbies or travel you do that could warrant self protection.

It was not going to be solely on that; maybe I can figure out some verbiage with my immediate boss that he could put into a letter.

The good news is I have no arrests, no tickets in well over 10 years, and even then very few. Ordered my DMV record to be sure I know the really old ones.