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socal147 10-11-2019 5:27 PM

CRPA - To Support or Not Support POLL
 
CRPA - To Support or Not Support POLL
I was a member for a year but started reading some negative news about the organization. I am once again considering supporting CRPA but do not want to waste my money. So fellow gunners, what do you think?

sheepdawg 10-11-2019 5:34 PM

What’s the negative news? I’m unaware of anyone saying anything negative about CRPA. I’ve never read anyone say anything but praises about C.D. Michel.

vino68 10-11-2019 5:36 PM

I joined the CRPA. It is the FPC that I question.

socal147 10-11-2019 5:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheepdawg (Post 23498428)
Whatís the negative news? Iím unaware of anyone saying anything negative about CRPA. Iíve never read anyone say anything but praises about C.D. Michel.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1444054

Issues like this. And no response from CRPA.

sheepdawg 10-11-2019 6:23 PM

With the Legislature passing anti-gun laws left and right, including a bunch that Governor Newsom signed today, and lawsuits filed by CRPA being the only way to stop them, why is not supporting CRPA even a possibility in any personís mind? Just read this post. https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...32&postcount=2

Mayor McRifle 10-11-2019 6:30 PM

How can this even be a question on a California gun forum?

Calguns never ceases to amaze.

socal147 10-11-2019 8:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mayor McRifle (Post 23498562)
How can this even be a question on a California gun forum?

Calguns never ceases to amaze.

What? I am not allowed to ask a question or post a poll because it does not met your standard of being acceptable?

Does every calgunner support every pro gun organization?
In spirit or monetarily?
Is every "pro gun" organization worthy of our support ?

I am just asking a simple question. Sorry for amazing you. :rolleyes: Not really ...

Sheepdog, thanks for the link.

Jeepergeo 10-11-2019 8:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by socal147 (Post 23498402)
CRPA - To Support or Not Support POLL
I was a member for a year but started reading some negative news about the organization. I am once again considering supporting CRPA but do not want to waste my money. So fellow gunners, what do you think?

Jeeze. Clearly you seem to have some beef with CRPA...so what is it? And facts only please.

socal147 10-11-2019 8:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeepergeo (Post 23498855)
Jeeze. Clearly you seem to have some beef with CRPA...so what is it? And facts only please.

I am totally neutral on the subject.
What makes you think otherwise? Because I started a poll asking a question?
Only facts please.

Jeepergeo 10-11-2019 8:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mayor McRifle (Post 23498562)
How can this even be a question on a California gun forum?

Calguns never ceases to amaze.

^^^Agree. Millennials, no doubt.

Jeepergeo 10-11-2019 8:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by socal147 (Post 23498865)
I am totally neutral on the subject.
What makes you think otherwise? Because I started a poll asking a question?
Only facts please.

You started a poll but added in details of your being confused about things you previously claimed to have read but did not take the time and energy to seek facts or you sought them out and were not capable of comprehending them. So you call in a lifeline via the forum. Jeeze.

socal147 10-11-2019 8:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeepergeo (Post 23498867)
^^^Agree. Millennials, no doubt.

Not a millennial. Just asking a question.

socal147 10-11-2019 8:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeepergeo (Post 23498887)
You started a poll but added in details of your being confused about things you previously claimed to have read but did not take the time and energy to seek facts or you sought them out and were not capable of comprehending them. So you call in a lifeline via the forum. Jeeze.

Yes, I am asking for input about CRPA. If that bothers you, you have choices in how you respond. Calling me incapable or a millennial serves no real purpose but if it makes you feel better about yourself, go for it. You can also report the thread if you want.

warbird 10-11-2019 8:34 PM

It does not take long for an idiot or troublemaker to expose themself. just look at Newsom. I rest my case.

socal147 10-11-2019 8:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by warbird (Post 23498940)
It does not take long for an idiot or troublemaker to expose themself. just look at Newsom. I rest my case.

Nice

Mayor McRifle 10-11-2019 9:10 PM

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Kestryll 10-11-2019 10:51 PM

While this is an amazingly silly question I'll answer it.

YES, you very much should support the CRPA, especially if you enjoyed Freedom Week.

Why do I say that, because I know very well what is going on with the CRPA given that I sit on the Board of Directors and am Chairman of the Communications and Technology Committee.

The CRPA is committed to fighting for our 2A rights, ALL aspects of our 2A rights and that means having a full time lobbyist in Sacramento, bringing forth thought our litigation to stop or overturn bad laws (not just rushing to be 'first' with questionable lawsuits to enhance fund raising or making big noise on social media), engaging in outreach to bring new people in to the shooting sports, working with pro 2A LE to give a louder voice in Sacramento and work on better CCW procedures and more.

Yes, the CRPA had some issues several years ago, and in those years all of the personnel involved have been removed, the structure of both the Board and the Org has been revamped and the CRPA today is nothing like the CRPA of several years ago.

Back then I was removed from the Board because I and a few other stood against the policies and personnel that were dragging the CRPA down.
When I was asked to return to the Board after the housecleaning it took a lot to convince me it was worth it, I'm still on the Board because I am convinced that the changes have made a better, stronger and more committed CRPA.

So now it's my turn to ask questions.

Are you a CRPA member? If not what are you doing to further 2A rights?

Like Calguns the CRPA is not a singular individual or Board it is the sum of it's members and while the Board can and does do a lot it can not do it all. The members need to be involved, engaged and take action themselves.

Unless you're just looking to pay $35 for a membership expecting to just sit back and hope your yearly dues pay for someone else to fix everything for you and then complain when that doesn't work.

There are plenty of '2A orgs' who will take your money and promise you exactly that, it doesn't matter if they can not and do not fulfill that promise because they already have your money.


ETA: OP looking at your signature you are an NRA Life Member.
You are aware that the CRPA is the Official NRA State Affiliate for California correct?
Nearly all of the NRA efforts in California are run through the CRPA and our CRPA lobbyist works hand in hand in Sacramento with the NRA State lobbyist every day.

Kestryll 10-11-2019 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by socal147 (Post 23498444)
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1444054

Issues like this. And no response from CRPA.

Actually there have been numerous answers to that over the years, the problem is people didn't hear what they wanted to hear so they ignored the answers.

ShaneB 10-11-2019 11:01 PM

A life member of the NRA asking if it’s a good idea to support the CRPA, too funny.

tenemae 10-12-2019 1:04 AM

I donated another $50 this week. YES- absolutely support the CRPA. They're the last soldier standing on the 2A battlefield in CA.

sgt1372 10-12-2019 1:20 AM

I'm a life member, so I have no choice but to continue to support the CPRA.

Same thing applies to the NRA and there's more reason to worry about that organization than the CPRA, based on their reported mismanagement and Russian involvement issues.

bdeditch 10-12-2019 7:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vino68 (Post 23498434)
I joined the CRPA. It is the FPC that I question.

Exactly

bdeditch 10-12-2019 7:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kestryll (Post 23499302)
While this is an amazingly silly question I'll answer it.

YES, you very much should support the CRPA, especially if you enjoyed Freedom Week.

Why do I say that, because I know very well what is going on with the CRPA given that I sit on the Board of Directors and am Chairman of the Communications and Technology Committee.

The CRPA is committed to fighting for our 2A rights, ALL aspects of our 2A rights and that means having a full time lobbyist in Sacramento, bringing forth thought our litigation to stop or overturn bad laws (not just rushing to be 'first' with questionable lawsuits to enhance fund raising or making big noise on social media), engaging in outreach to bring new people in to the shooting sports, working with pro 2A LE to give a louder voice in Sacramento and work on better CCW procedures and more.

Yes, the CRPA had some issues several years ago, and in those years all of the personnel involved have been removed, the structure of both the Board and the Org has been revamped and the CRPA today is nothing like the CRPA of several years ago.

Back then I was removed from the Board because I and a few other stood against the policies and personnel that were dragging the CRPA down.
When I was asked to return to the Board after the housecleaning it took a lot to convince me it was worth it, I'm still on the Board because I am convinced that the changes have made a better, stronger and more committed CRPA.

So now it's my turn to ask questions.

Are you a CRPA member? If not what are you doing to further 2A rights?

Like Calguns the CRPA is not a singular individual or Board it is the sum of it's members and while the Board can and does do a lot it can not do it all. The members need to be involved, engaged and take action themselves.

Unless you're just looking to pay $35 for a membership expecting to just sit back and hope your yearly dues pay for someone else to fix everything for you and then complain when that doesn't work.

There are plenty of '2A orgs' who will take your money and promise you exactly that, it doesn't matter if they can not and do not fulfill that promise because they already have your money.


ETA: OP looking at your signature you are an NRA Life Member.
You are aware that the CRPA is the Official NRA State Affiliate for California correct?
Nearly all of the NRA efforts in California are run through the CRPA and our CRPA lobbyist works hand in hand in Sacramento with the NRA State lobbyist every day.


I am a recruiter for the CRPA, you would be surprised how many people have no idea that the CRPA even exists. We need more members now.

socal147 10-12-2019 7:11 AM

To all,
I sincerely apologize for my own ignorance on the subject.

Patrick

Mayor McRifle 10-12-2019 7:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by socal147 (Post 23499700)
To all,
I sincerely apologize for my own ignorance on the subject.

Patrick

Do you still need to keep this ďpollĒ open until July 7, 2022 to answer your simple, innocuous question?

warbird 10-12-2019 8:52 AM

One learns by asking questions and that is how you can turn an enemy into an ally. Most times you can't but it is worth the try. And what harm does it hurt to leave it open for a while longer? Just ignore it or let the mods deal with it.

The Gleam 10-13-2019 12:13 PM

How one can be a California gun owner, see the results the CRPA have procured since Chuck Michel joined the fray, and not also be a CRPA member is beyond me.

Some 15 years ago or so, yes, there was some justifiable criticism buoyed about due to what appeared to be a lack of open-voting of the Board and those in charge resting on long-ago laurels. Not so any more.

The current CRPA is doing a fine job, and one of the last prongs we still have left on the trident, now that so many CA gun owners are becoming closeted dissidents of the 2nd Amendment calling for "common sense gun safety laws" or simply apathetic to their 2nd Amendment Rights, which only reinforces those that wish to abolish them.

The CRPA is out there in the REAL WORLD fighting against that, every, damned, day.

pacrat 10-14-2019 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by socal147 (Post 23498444)
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1444054

Issues like this. And no response from CRPA.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kestryll (Post 23499312)
Actually there have been numerous answers to that over the years, the problem is people didn't hear what they wanted to hear so they ignored the answers.

OP, take note of Kestryl's response. I am lifer in both NRA/CRPA, I don't always agree with everything they do. And as a lifer, feel entitled to question those decisions. Yet I also see that they do far more good for 2A than any other orgs.

Go to the link that you yourself provided. And read the entire thread. paying attention to the last post. Here is a relevant excerpt;

Quote:

If you, me, and every other 2A loving citizen who supports NRA/CRPA. Allow our support for the 2A to narrow to the point of only focusing on issues that personally affect us, our jobs, or the county/city that we work and live in. We are doing a grave disservice to the overall 2A cause we hold dear.

bruss01 10-14-2019 5:03 AM

I have a limited budget for charitable contributions but I am signed up to auto-donate via paycheck deduction to 5 organizations each and every month. One of which is the Second Amendment Foundation and another of which is CRPA.

My paltry $10 every month doesn't make nor break either of these orgs, nor does it cause me the kind of pain that makes me wince and put my hand protectively over my wallet. But it ends up being $120 a year to each of them. Now imagine everybody on this board doing the same. It wouldn't break anyone's budget, nor cause any spousal arguments. And it would mean thousands of dollars of monthly support for an org most of us would say we enthusiastically support.... yet, many don't... WHY? I am sure there are many answers to that question... but nearly none of them are good excuses. The biggest one I am sure is simple apathy. With all that is going on we need them representing us before the legislature and especially IN COURT more than ever. These cases take time (years in most cases) and cost MONEY.

As Special K says, CRPA had some issues years back, basically they had become an Elmer Fudd support group who didn't seem to mind any gun law that didn't impact them owning a double-barrel duck hunting shotgun but those folks are gone and it's a brand new day at the CRPA. Today they are in the game and playing for keeps, representing the 2A rights of ALL Californians, not just the Fuddites.

If ANYONE is doing work worthy of a CA gun owner's support, THEY are.

pacrat 10-14-2019 3:23 PM

Quote:

Today they are in the game and playing for keeps, representing the 2A rights of ALL Californians, not just the Fuddites.

If ANYONE is doing work worthy of a CA gun owner's support, THEY are.



^^^AMEN BRO^^^

vino68 10-14-2019 4:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdeditch (Post 23499693)
I am a recruiter for the CRPA, you would be surprised how many people have no idea that the CRPA even exists. We need more members now.

I do not see flyers or any advertisement at my LGS for the CRPA. With the exception of Turner's. I see flyers and info at some ranges.
What type of community events do you have a presence at or around the SoCal area?

bdeditch 10-14-2019 7:14 PM

Here is one event happening https://crpa.org/events/crpa/souther...apter-meeting/



Quote:

Originally Posted by vino68 (Post 23507445)
I do not see flyers or any advertisement at my LGS for the CRPA. With the exception of Turner's. I see flyers and info at some ranges.
What type of community events do you have a presence at or around the SoCal area?


bdeditch 10-14-2019 7:26 PM

We just started to get Turners up here, so they are giving us a push as well. It is mostly Gun Shows we are at, but yes I would like to see a bigger presence shown all over CA. The problem is finding volunteers to help do that. There is only me and one other member that do the gun shows in about 3 or 4 counties. It is not like there is one every weekend, but enough this time of the year. They have been talking about having an office up here, but when I don't know. They do come up here and go to as many LGS and ranges that they can.


Quote:

Originally Posted by vino68 (Post 23507445)
I do not see flyers or any advertisement at my LGS for the CRPA. With the exception of Turner's. I see flyers and info at some ranges.
What type of community events do you have a presence at or around the SoCal area?


vino68 10-15-2019 8:35 AM

Thanks for the link. Unfortunately 6pm in Huntington is way to early for the distance I would need to travel. I just double checked, sure enough, I did not receive an email about this chapter meeting. Is there a notification system or campaign setup for chapter meetings?

skishooter 10-15-2019 10:38 AM

I joined CRPA just after Freedom Week. After seeing what they do and enjoying the new magazine, I will renew for 5 years before my one year membership expires. I'm attending my first chapter meeting this weekend to see if I want to donate my time volunteering. I'm looking forward to it.

SoCal Gunner 10-15-2019 11:10 AM

You can also sign up with Amazon "Smile" and choose the CRPA as your charity :)

Thordo 10-19-2019 8:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vino68 (Post 23498434)
I joined the CRPA. It is the FPC that I question.

Seriously?? Support both. FPC has Miller vs Baccerra in San Diego that could overturn the AW ban. CRPA has numerous lawsuits that are important to our freedom.

Thordo

Thordo 10-19-2019 8:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCal Gunner (Post 23509773)
You can also sign up with Amazon "Smile" and choose the CRPA as your charity :)

When Amazon dropped CGF from Smile I was pissed. I donated $10k and called for everyone to boycott. Haven't bought anything off their website since.

Thordo

Wrangler John 10-23-2019 6:16 AM

Yes, I had been a CRPA member for about 35 years, before the recent issues made me reconsider. I dropped out not renewing my membership. Then when Chuck Michel took over and the organization was restructured, I joined as a Senior Life Member, and have been donating in $100,00 chunks as often as possible. So far I am not disappointed.

Bert Gamble 10-23-2019 6:38 AM

I don't understand why the OP question was so stupid. If we as a gun community are to stop the erosion of our rights, we need more people on our side. If this means explaining things that seem obvious, is that so bad? The OP was called just about every kind of moron imaginable because he asked a question. I was happy to see that someone with vast experience and knowledge on the subject gave a reasoned and persuasive answer, even if he thought the question to be amazingly silly.

I hope none of you are made to feel inferior because you don't know something. Most of us are in that boat from time to time. That being said, there was no need for a poll. The OP could have simply asked for the answers he needed. This may have calmed the storm before it intensified.


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