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Olav
05-02-2008, 6:30 AM
I found that I can hold the mag with my index finger on my right hand and use my left hand to go under and around the mag well to release the mag.

I then grab it with my left hand and put it away then get a full mag and put it in.

I use a Q-tip as a tool because it's flexible so I can poke at the hole at an angle and still release the mag and it won't scare the finish of the lower.

I find this the fastest.

I can post some pics later if this is not very clear...

CrippledPidgeon
05-02-2008, 7:43 AM
I tend to grip my gun with my middle and ring fingers against the magwell, and my pinky finger on the mag itself, so I use either another round or a snap cap .223 to hit the button with my right hand.

Because I'm already gripping the mag with one finger of my left hand, I just pull down as I hit the button, the mag comes out, I drop it on the table, and grab the next mag. Although my c-products mags already drop out on their own, so I don't worry so much about having a good grip on them as I do with my pmags which have a slightly tighter fit (course, since they're 10/30 mags, there's more mag to grip :P)

DrunkSkunk
05-02-2008, 8:22 AM
http://store01.prostores.com/truetip/catalog/fs_svt_200.jpg

Olav
05-02-2008, 8:35 AM
http://store01.prostores.com/truetip/catalog/fs_svt_200.jpg

Interesting!

gir007
05-02-2008, 9:41 AM
http://store01.prostores.com/truetip/catalog/fs_svt_200.jpg

where do you get that! thats awesome! you can put it on your thumb.

The Gunslinger
05-02-2008, 10:05 AM
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/5518/92920428pw5.jpg

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3462/79358966kf4.jpg

Here is a prototype I made at work and used it at a tactical rifle match last weekend..it worked rather well....
Still a work in progress, but that is why they call it a prototype

scubamark13
05-02-2008, 10:15 AM
This is a tool I designed and it works for me.

http://s199.photobucket.com/albums/aa62/scubamark13/Bullet%20Button%20Tool/?action=view&current=P3281018.flv

Spyder
05-02-2008, 10:21 AM
I think I would like to develop some sort of technique that doesn't involve the tools shown...if you need to quick change a mag because someones busting down your door, you don't want to look for that ring...

The Gunslinger
05-02-2008, 10:24 AM
Thats why you keep it with your rifle and if you have your rifle in your hands , keep the ring on your finger. you can still use your trigger finger and drop the mag with the same finger...works as if youy wewre useing a standard mag release....

DrunkSkunk
05-02-2008, 10:26 AM
I think I would like to develop some sort of technique that doesn't involve the tools shown...if you need to quick change a mag because someones busting down your door, you don't want to look for that ring...

if someone is busting down your door and you've used all 10 rounds and didn't stop him just go ahead and grab your ankles.
you need more range time.

WallySparx
05-02-2008, 10:26 AM
I think I would like to develop some sort of technique that doesn't involve the tools shown...if you need to quick change a mag because someones busting down your door, you don't want to look for that ring...

but wouldn't the ability to pop a BB without a tool ruin the point (and legality) of it all?

bohoki
05-02-2008, 10:27 AM
use a cartridge carrier sling and use a bullet on the sling

l_Z_l
05-02-2008, 10:40 AM
if someone is busting down your door and you've used all 10 rounds and didn't stop him just go ahead and grab your ankles.
you need more range time.

+1

sides wouldn't you have a handgun anyways? I wouldn't grab my AR as first choice if there was a perp.

Olav
05-02-2008, 11:05 AM
So much for the original topic....

It's not about the tool but the technique. :)

I guessing there aren't that many techniques around.

I was asking because if I do tactical rifle courses I'd like to see if anyone has a system in place to get the change done fast and painlessly.

Otherwise I'll stick to my way that I described in the first post.

.

DrunkSkunk
05-02-2008, 11:24 AM
My technique is with my tool I drop the mag just as if it were a regular AR with my right index finger while holding the pistol grip.

Olav
05-02-2008, 11:50 AM
My technique is with my tool I drop the mag just as if it were a regular AR with my right index finger while holding the pistol grip.

So your tool is on your trigger finger all the time?

That doesn't interfere with the trigger or anything else?

Thanks! Good to know. I'll have to look into your tool.

...

You know what I mean...

Jicko
05-02-2008, 1:00 PM
I think I would like to develop some sort of technique that doesn't involve the tools shown...if you need to quick change a mag because someones busting down your door, you don't want to look for that ring...

A TOOL IS ALWAYS NEEDED!

But check out my posting quite sometime ago.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=621551&postcount=19

The TOOL is in your magazine already.

http://images21.fotki.com/v833/photos/2/26966/4921249/IMG_1688-vi.jpg

Jicko
05-02-2008, 1:02 PM
Here is a prototype I made at work and used it at a tactical rifle match last weekend..it worked rather well....
Still a work in progress, but that is why they call it a prototype

Your thing according to your pic is quite USELESS.... since... YOU can't pull the trigger with that thing attached! Maybe OK for a LEFT hand shooter, but certainly NOT for the RIGHTY.....

BP88
05-02-2008, 2:03 PM
I just use a bullet.

The Gunslinger
05-02-2008, 2:12 PM
Your thing according to your pic is quite USELESS.... since... YOU can't pull the trigger with that thing attached! Maybe OK for a LEFT hand shooter, but certainly NOT for the RIGHTY.....

Not at all ...Since I don't stick my whole finger threw the trigger guard and just use the pad of my finger to pull the trigger as you would while shooting any other gun it works quite well. Shoot with the same finger I drop the mag with. In the pic it is just a tad closer to the tip of my finger. When I use it during a match it is closer to the first knuckle.. I am shooting a match Saturday..I will get a vid and demonstrate..

1911su16b870
05-02-2008, 2:41 PM
A chop stick or the wood stick off a corndog works good for bb or pushing the take down pins, or fishing out double feeds in the chamber.

Teletiger7
05-02-2008, 2:46 PM
I think I would like to develop some sort of technique that doesn't involve the tools shown...if you need to quick change a mag because someones busting down your door, you don't want to look for that ring...

Monstermangrip featureless build.

aplinker
05-02-2008, 3:43 PM
So much for the original topic....

It's not about the tool but the technique. :)

I guessing there aren't that many techniques around.

I was asking because if I do tactical rifle courses I'd like to see if anyone has a system in place to get the change done fast and painlessly.

Otherwise I'll stick to my way that I described in the first post.

.

My technique for a tactical course is to remove the bullet button, the PG and all other features and replace with a MMG.

MMG or U-15 is for a tactical course. PERIOD. Don't waste your time in a class with a non-fully functional rifle.

SuperSet
05-02-2008, 3:57 PM
My technique for a tactical course is to remove the bullet button, the PG and all other features and replace with a MMG.

MMG or U-15 is for a tactical course. PERIOD. Don't waste your time in a class with a non-fully functional rifle.

As a former Bullet Button user, I've come to the conclusion that it's an ideal option for long-range precision builds where fast mag changes and magazine capacity are a lower priority. If you're talking competition or home defense, the MMG is the better choice.

But, to answer your original question, Jicko's post about mounting the bullet button somewhere on the magazine works well. You don't have to carry an additional tool and you can do everything with one hand.. remove new magazine, release old magazine, load new magazine.. rinse and repeat.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s22/dudeimaginethis/MagBB1.jpg

The Gunslinger
05-02-2008, 3:58 PM
My technique for a tactical course is to remove the bullet button, the PG and all other features and replace with a MMG.

MMG or U-15 is for a tactical course. PERIOD. Don't waste your time in a class with a non-fully functional rifle.

+1 especially when I get a MMG the ring works for me but would rather the MMG..Cheers!!!

l_Z_l
05-02-2008, 4:10 PM
A glove w/ a little button/screw attached to it? I saw this somewhere here but I forget what thread that was...

aplinker
05-02-2008, 4:24 PM
WhiteDingo's funnel BB is where... I just linked it in the thread of mine someone bumped... He did an excellent job.

XDshooter
05-02-2008, 11:09 PM
A TOOL IS ALWAYS NEEDED!

No it does not. Read the PC.


"disassembly of the firearm action" or "use of a tool"

Disassembly of the firearm action does not require a tool by law. So you could devise a method in which the magazine release can not activate unless the action is split open.

Like a tab that prevents the mag release button from pressing down on an AR-15 unless the upper is tilted away from the lower by means of the rear take down pin.

I'm really surprised no one has taken this approach yet.

shark92651
05-03-2008, 10:32 AM
RifleGear Bullet Tool (http://riflegear.com/p-192-riflegear-bullet-tool.aspx)
http://riflegear.com/images/PRODUCT/large/192.jpg

I grab a new mag with my right hand, on the way up I grab the bullet tool dandling off my belt loop, grabbing it between my thumb and index finger, insert the tool, old mag drops out, release bullet tool (retracts to original position), insert new mag.

shark92651
05-03-2008, 10:36 AM
No it does not. Read the PC.


"disassembly of the firearm action" or "use of a tool"

Disassembly of the firearm action does not require a tool by law. So you could devise a method in which the magazine release can not activate unless the action is split open.

Like a tab that prevents the mag release button from pressing down on an AR-15 unless the upper is tilted away from the lower by means of the rear take down pin.

I'm really surprised no one has taken this approach yet.

Your surpised that no-one is pivoting open the upper in order to release a magazine? How is this more convenient than inserting a pointy object into a hole (insert punchline here)? :D

Sig357
05-03-2008, 10:57 AM
I use a "push tool" connected to a lanyard and just hang it from my neck when I am out shooting.http://www.sportingconversions.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=1043

Bimmer2
05-05-2008, 9:28 AM
so I don't worry so much about having a good grip on them as I do with my pmags which have a slightly tighter fit (course, since they're 10/30 mags, there's more mag to grip :P)

Forgive the off-topic question, but how did you get PMAGs into California? Did you get them converted before you brought them in? Is somebody selling 10/30 PMAGs?

Ben

NiteQwill
05-05-2008, 9:44 AM
Forgive the off-topic question, but how did you get PMAGs into California? Did you get them converted before you brought them in? Is somebody selling 10/30 PMAGs?

Ben

Metroshot

Bimmer2
05-05-2008, 10:11 AM
They're not there... Metroshot is selling some kind of transparent plastic 10/30 mags that they say are "better than PMAG." I remain skeptical...

Ben

NiteQwill
05-05-2008, 10:19 AM
They're not there... Metroshot is selling some kind of transparent plastic 10/30 mags that they say are "better than PMAG." I remain skeptical...

Ben

I have both. The Lancer L5 and PMAGS. I prefer the Lancers (I used them in Iraq with tons of abuse, if that tells you anything). Call or email them, Pat will take care of you and have it to you quickly.

trinydex
05-05-2008, 1:16 PM
They're not there... Metroshot is selling some kind of transparent plastic 10/30 mags that they say are "better than PMAG." I remain skeptical...

Ben

they sell both, there was a bump somewhere where they recently said both are in stock.

Army GI
05-05-2008, 1:35 PM
RifleGear Bullet Tool (http://riflegear.com/p-192-riflegear-bullet-tool.aspx)
http://riflegear.com/images/PRODUCT/large/192.jpg

I grab a new mag with my right hand, on the way up I grab the bullet tool dandling off my belt loop, grabbing it between my thumb and index finger, insert the tool, old mag drops out, release bullet tool (retracts to original position), insert new mag.

I bought one of those from you when I bought my bullet button. Thanks, these things are neat and everyone likes them. My brother wants one as a keychain:)

Chunky_lover
05-05-2008, 2:16 PM
Can someone make a mag with a internal button to drop the mag, so you grab the mag squeeze the button and it falls out. That would solve all problems. I have the bullet button installed but I also keep the original release lever and a modified screwdriver in the safe so when the shtf I can swap it out and use the real one within seconds. When it comes time to take my baby out in the streets with no bullet button it will be used to protect my family and I and no one can take that right away from me.

NiteQwill
05-05-2008, 3:18 PM
Can someone make a mag with a internal button to drop the mag, so you grab the mag squeeze the button and it falls out. That would solve all problems. I have the bullet button installed but I also keep the original release lever and a modified screwdriver in the safe so when the shtf I can swap it out and use the real one within seconds. When it comes time to take my baby out in the streets with no bullet button it will be used to protect my family and I and no one can take that right away from me.

That is a detachable magazine = AW per PC 12276.1 (a)(2)

In any case, I would not trust the mechanics of a magazine. A magazine usually fails before a rifle does. Relying on a magazine to remove itself is not a good idea.

Bimmer2
05-05-2008, 4:02 PM
When it comes time to take my baby out in the streets with no bullet button it will be used to protect my family and me and no one can take that right away from me.

This goes without saying: if the SHTF then we'll all surely ignore all sorts of laws that we would normally obey.

Since it goes without saying, let's leave it unsaid here (especially regarding specific hardward), OK?

Ben

PS: Forgive me, I corrected your grammar...

bohoki
05-05-2008, 7:33 PM
That is a detachable magazine = AW per PC 12276.1 (a)(2)

In any case, I would not trust the mechanics of a magazine. A magazine usually fails before a rifle does. Relying on a magazine to remove itself is not a good idea.

i have a marlin 22 that has the magazine release on the magazine

its about the only gun i can think of that is an analogy of that
and it definatly counts as a detachable magazine

http://www.neaca.com/images/Group_Marlin_22_Rifles_3_.JPG

Deamer
05-05-2008, 9:28 PM
I just use the giant wart I have growing on the tip of my finger. :D

StraightShooter
05-05-2008, 9:46 PM
I just use the giant wart I have growing on the tip of my finger. :D

Its too bad that is illegal because that would work rather well.

jacques
05-05-2008, 9:49 PM
My technique for a tactical course is to remove the bullet button, the PG and all other features and replace with a MMG.

MMG or U-15 is for a tactical course. PERIOD. Don't waste your time in a class with a non-fully functional rifle.

+1 to that. In a timed scenario, you don't want to waste your time messing around. It also takes away from your concentration. I was at rifleman training (appleseed) and it was a definite + to not have to mess with that.

jacques
05-05-2008, 9:51 PM
Its too bad that is illegal because that would work rather well.

A wart is not a tool? :(

norcal-ar
05-05-2008, 11:03 PM
RifleGear Bullet Tool (http://riflegear.com/p-192-riflegear-bullet-tool.aspx)
http://riflegear.com/images/PRODUCT/large/192.jpg

I grab a new mag with my right hand, on the way up I grab the bullet tool dandling off my belt loop, grabbing it between my thumb and index finger, insert the tool, old mag drops out, release bullet tool (retracts to original position), insert new mag.

yeah i noticed this on your site i will be getting this when i purchase the bb. thanx again for all ur help on the phone last week.

norcal-ar
05-05-2008, 11:05 PM
A wart is not a tool? :(

maybe? i have had some that could take out flat head screws! LOL