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duenor
04-30-2008, 7:32 AM
I'm just thinking. Pump guns like the Rem 7400 and Par 1 are legal with all the evil features, right? This is because assault rifles have to be "semiautomic centerfire rifles"

So what is the definiteion of a pump action, or conversely, non-automatic?

What if I took a FAL, drilled out gas ports so as to render the firearm incapable of cycling the action? that no matter of hot of a round you put in it, it will be impossible to have enough gas to cycle the gun? then you put a damn strong spring in the gun, maybe 200% strength, to add to it.

in order to cycle the gun, you have to really yank on that charging handle.

the benefits would be a gun that could easily and quickly converted back to semi auto (replacement of the gas system, say) but still be cal legal.

Hopi
04-30-2008, 9:24 AM
This has been covered. You are correct. If you disable a firearms gas system and must then cycle the action manually, it is no longer a semi-auto firearm.

Considering that AW laws prohibit semi-auto firearms, IIRC it would be legal to import a manual-action, single shot, or pump-action firearm that is listed by name on the AW roster. I may be wrong, but we hashed this out a year or so ago.....

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=45779

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=45333

ar15barrels
04-30-2008, 10:32 PM
What if I took a FAL, drilled out gas ports so as to render the firearm incapable of cycling the action? that no matter of hot of a round you put in it, it will be impossible to have enough gas to cycle the gun? then you put a damn strong spring in the gun, maybe 200% strength, to add to it.

in order to cycle the gun, you have to really yank on that charging handle.

That would be a bolt action repeater. ;)

duenor
05-01-2008, 7:17 AM
yes, exactly.
but one that could easily be converted back (but not without some work).

i would really like to do that with the KelTec RFB.

dfletcher
05-01-2008, 8:06 AM
I'm just thinking. Pump guns like the Rem 7400 and Par 1 are legal with all the evil features, right? This is because assault rifles have to be "semiautomic centerfire rifles"

So what is the definiteion of a pump action, or conversely, non-automatic?

What if I took a FAL, drilled out gas ports so as to render the firearm incapable of cycling the action? that no matter of hot of a round you put in it, it will be impossible to have enough gas to cycle the gun? then you put a damn strong spring in the gun, maybe 200% strength, to add to it.

in order to cycle the gun, you have to really yank on that charging handle.

the benefits would be a gun that could easily and quickly converted back to semi auto (replacement of the gas system, say) but still be cal legal.

I believe Ruger sells their Mini 14 in the UK and/or ANZACS region in that configuration to comply with their "no semi auto" requirement. In effect, what was a semi auto becomes a manual straight pull bolt. Of course the problem with the FAL is the south side charging handle. Great for me - a righty shooting left handed - bad for most others.

AJAX22
05-01-2008, 8:09 AM
Yep, bolt action repeater, totally legal with all features

Kind of like what I did to my AMD65's to make them CA legal

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/DCP_0404.jpg

PatriotnMore
05-01-2008, 8:12 AM
[QUOTE=duenor;1176195]I'm just thinking. Pump guns like the Rem 7400[QUOTE]
The 7400 is not a pump gun, it is a gas operated, auto loading, semi-auto rifle.


Remington MODEL 7400 Synthetic 270 Win
Manufactures Number: 9794

Caliber: 270 Win
Barrel Length: 22"
Rate of Twist: 10"
Overall Length: 42-5/8"
Avg Weight: 7-1/2 Lbs
Model 7400 Features
Gas-operated action yields softer recoil and speed for quick, accurate follow-up shots.

bwiese
05-01-2008, 9:00 AM
Remington 7400s are semiauto.

The Remington 7600s (including the 7615 patrol rifle taking AR15 mags) are pump action.

Q
05-01-2008, 11:21 AM
The keltec rfb is pretty neat.
since ajax had to post his, here are mine. :D
yugo m70ab2 bolt action.
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n32/qbertquartz2/pistol/boltaction.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n32/qbertquartz2/pistol/zastavas.jpg

-hanko
05-01-2008, 12:37 PM
What if I took a FAL, drilled out gas ports so as to render the firearm incapable of cycling the action? that no matter of hot of a round you put in it, it will be impossible to have enough gas to cycle the gun? then you put a damn strong spring in the gun, maybe 200% strength, to add to it.

the benefits would be a gun that could easily and quickly converted back to semi auto (replacement of the gas system, say) but still be cal legal.
Drilling the port to where it's large enough to start shaving bullets will result in an fal that still cycles, but not completely.

The gun would be prk-legal, but you'd still be shaving bullets...setting the gas plug to 'grenade' position would turn the rifle into a bolt action.

=hanko