Katrina gun confiscations

[buff_01]

Does anyone know what happened to the victims of gun confiscation during the Katrina clusterfrack? Were the LEOs ever punished? Did the people get their firearms back? Did anyone ever sue over the issue?

This has been bugging the hell out of me lately, and if anyone has any updated info, it would be greatly appreciated.

For anyone in the dark on what this is all about (I doubt there will be), the original story is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

[mvpatriot]

Good luck knocking on my front door after a natural disaster/martial law etc. You will be taking bullets, not guns.

[IGOTDIRT4U]

Does anyone know what happened to the victims of gun confiscation during the Katrina clusterfrack? Were the LEOs ever punished? Did the people get their firearms back? Did anyone ever sue over the issue?

This has been bugging the hell out of me lately, and if anyone has any updated info, it would be greatly appreciated.

For anyone in the dark on what this is all about (I doubt there will be), the original story is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4


Many of the guns were never returned as owners could not prove ownership, or were not legally allowed to own guns. Many guns did get back the owners.

As to changes in the law, several states including LA adopted emergency laws that are designed to keep this from happening in these types of disaster situations.

Also, the PD department got sued for this, as well as the city and state. Last I heard, Fed appeals were being heard. I forgot if they went anywhere.

CA adopted a similar law last year protecting your right to keep your guns in a natural disaster or similar. I'll check the NRA-ILA site for the case.

[pnkssbtz]

Many of the guns were never returned as owners could not prove ownership, or were not legally allowed to own guns. Many guns did get back the owners.

IIRC, the police were requiring a RECEIPT for the original purchase.

[IGOTDIRT4U]

IIRC, the police were requiring a RECEIPT for the original purchase.


Yeah, and how likely is/was that!!!! :mad::confused:

[bulgron]

You want to get and read this book (http://www.amazon.com/Great-New-Orleans-Gun-Grab/dp/0970981333/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1209169988&sr=8-1). It pretty much explains what happened in NO after Katrina and what happened to all those guns.

I can't find my copy, but if memory serves the NRA is suing over what happened to ordinary law abiding citizens in the aftermath of Katrina.

[IGOTDIRT4U]

You want to get and read this book (http://www.amazon.com/Great-New-Orleans-Gun-Grab/dp/0970981333/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1209169988&sr=8-1). It pretty much explains what happened in NO after Katrina and what happened to all those guns.

I can't find my copy, but if memory serves the NRA is suing over what happened to ordinary law abiding citizens in the aftermath of Katrina.

I believe they won. That is the link I am trying to find.

[buff_01]

Thanks guys. Any additional info or links to news stories would be appreciated.

I have certainly learned my lesson here. Unless they have a warrant, the feds/LEOs aren't going to be coming into my house without resistance if there is ever a disaster.

[CCWFacts]

We had a thread on this before. My take:

Don't let LEOs into your house without a warrant. Duh.
However, don't fight back against them. That's a fight that can't be won.
Therefore, your disaster kit should include:
A throw-away gun, plus an extra gun or two hidden A rugged tapeless video camera

Repeat over and over, "I do not consent, you are committing a robbery, I am placing you under citizens arrest (but don't actually physically do it), I demand a receipt, what is your name and badge number, under which authority do you claim to be operating", while video taping.

[Harrison_Bergeron]

What kind of manpower did they use to confiscate the guns in NO?

[bwiese]

Don't let LEOs into your house without a warrant. Duh.
However, don't fight back against them. That's a fight that can't be won.
Therefore, your disaster kit should include:
A throw-away gun, plus an extra gun or two hidden
A rugged tapeless video camera

http://www.theflip.com

[Bruce]

What kind of manpower did they use to confiscate the guns in NO?

The California Highway Patrol. :eek:

[battleship]

What in fact did they win, sometimes i thinking winning realy is another way the system just trys to smooth things over, im sure alot of guns never made it back to the rightfull owners, and you cannot replace the beatings and harresment many lawfull citizens were put through, by the police forces. Unless these gun owners get an insane amount of money for the wrong doing that they recieved then i think this can and will happen again, I hope the police get sued up the ying yang over this and all who were involved do some jail time.

[Sniper3142]

Good luck knocking on my front door after a natural disaster/martial law etc. You will be taking bullets, not guns.

AHMEN Brother.

:)

[Liberty1]

What kind of manpower did they use to confiscate the guns in NO?

I duped

[Harrison_Bergeron]

Huh?

The question was in response to this comment.
# However, don't fight back against them. That's a fight that can't be won.

Not really implying that one should shoot it out, just curious, how many officers did they waste on this while the city was being devastated. Seems like sending one or two cops to disarm someone in blatant violation of the 2nd would be asking for trouble, and sending a team would be wasting valuable resources.

[buff_01]

We had a thread on this before. My take:

Don't let LEOs into your house without a warrant. Duh.
However, don't fight back against them. That's a fight that can't be won.
Therefore, your disaster kit should include:
A throw-away gun, plus an extra gun or two hidden A rugged tapeless video camera

Repeat over and over, "I do not consent, you are committing a robbery, I am placing you under citizens arrest (but don't actually physically do it), I demand a receipt, what is your name and badge number, under which authority do you claim to be operating", while video taping.

If the people in New Orleans had been taping, they would have still had their weapons confiscated, and they probably would have had the tape recorder confiscated as well. I don't think simply video recording something is the answer to this. What does it matter if you're killed the next day by looters?

[bulgron]

If the people in New Orleans had been taping, they would have still had their weapons confiscated, and they probably would have had the tape recorder confiscated as well. I don't think simply video recording something is the answer to this. What does it matter if you're killed the next day by looters?

There are only two answers to gun confiscation of the sort that happened in NOLA:

1. Shoot the bastards when they come to take your guns. Not recommended because you'll generally end up dead too. Take this action only if you think the Constitution will not survive whatever strife is driving the gun confiscation, and at that attempt to link up with other defenders of the Constitution in order to form a more effective offense/defense.

2. Let them take your guns, collect as much information about the people doing the confiscation as is possible, and then sue them into oblivion after the fact. Once a few PDs have been bankrupted and a few cops have lost their homes and their careers, they won't be so quick to do it anymore.

To avoid all of this, we need better education for our professional police forces. Frankly, if the Police Academy final exam doesn't include a lengthy section on the Bill of Rights, then that needs to be fixed, pronto. And every single time a cop re-qualifies with his firearms, he should also have to take a quiz on the Bill of Rights. They swore to uphold it but what good does that do if they don't understand it, or worse they don't like it and so go looking for ways to circumvent it?

[AngelDecoys]

As to changes in the law, several states including LA adopted emergency laws that are designed to keep this from happening in these types of disaster situations.

CA adopted a similar law last year protecting your right to keep your guns in a natural disaster or similar. I'll check the NRA-ILA site for the case.

Add to this, Bush signed a federal law in 2006 prohibiting federal agencies from confiscating firearms during an emergency.