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BlackReef
04-24-2008, 2:20 AM
http://www.hkpro.com/psg1a1.jpghttp://www.hkpro.com/psgcase.jpg

I've been meaning to ask this for awhile, but has nobody built a PSG-1? Are the parts hard to come by or something? With all the other full size HK rifles people are building out here, why no PSG-1? I know by today's standards they aren't too accurate, but I still think they are one of the sexiest rifles ever built.

discuss.

J_Rock
04-24-2008, 3:43 AM
Discussed in much length.. hkpro.com

saw a new barrel for PSG about a year ago for 7-800 ... a genuine trigger group runs 3-400. I have seen butstocks for 500.

It also has a different trunion (seen it for sale only once somewhere), if memory serves me right. spending all this.. you still have to put it on a aftermarket receiver.. I have held a PTR, Cohaire, SW and others.. nothing is as good. BTW PTR was the best out of the after market...

I have never seen a tripod for sale.. scope base/scopes are fairly common.. Once in a while you will see the handguard, not so uncommon..

There are HK smiths out there that have actually crafted PSG and MSG's out, but they too were not cheap.. 6-8K range.

I think MSG-90 is sexier!! I also believe Hk is no match for ANY other company out there ... They simply ROCK! Way ahead of their time ... Would surprise me none if they are the ones that come out with the first commercial "ray gun"

Good topic ...


In a world of compromises, some people put the bullets in the magazine backwards...

But it doesn't matter, because our gun is on the cover of the Rainbow Six video games. Look how cool that SEAL coming out of the water looks... If you buy a $2,000 SOCOM, you will be that cool of an operator too. And chicks will dig you.

At HK, we stuck a piston on an AR15, just like a bunch of other companies have done, dating back to about 1969. However ours is better, because we refuse to sell it to civillians. Because you suck, and we hate you.

Our XM8 is the greatest rifle ever developed. It may melt, and it doesn't fit any accesories known to man, but that is your fault. If you were a real operator, you would love it. Once again, look at Rainbow Six, that G36 sure is cool isn't it? Yeah, you know you want one.

And by the way, check out our new HK45. We decided that humans don't need to release the magazine with their thumbs. If you were a really manly teutonic operator, you would be able to reach the controls. Plus we've fired 100,000,000 rounds through one with zero malfunctions, and that was while it was buried in a lake of molten lava, on the moon. If you don't believe us, it is because you aren't a real operator.

By the way, our cheap, mass-produced, stamped sheet metal guns like the G3 and MP5 are the bestest things ever, and totally worth asinine scalpers prices, but note that cheap, mass-produced, stamped sheet metal guns from other countries are commie garbage. Not that it matters, because you're civilians, so we won't sell them to you anyway. Because you suck, and we hate you, but we know you'll be back. We can beat you down like a trailer park wife, but you'll come back, you always do.

Buy our stuff.

Sincerely

HK Marketing Department

Spaceghost
04-24-2008, 6:43 AM
Buwahahahahahahaha! ROFLcopter




In a world of compromises, some people put the bullets in the magazine backwards...

But it doesn't matter, because our gun is on the cover of the Rainbow Six video games. Look how cool that SEAL coming out of the water looks... If you buy a $2,000 SOCOM, you will be that cool of an operator too. And chicks will dig you.

At HK, we stuck a piston on an AR15, just like a bunch of other companies have done, dating back to about 1969. However ours is better, because we refuse to sell it to civillians. Because you suck, and we hate you.

Our XM8 is the greatest rifle ever developed. It may melt, and it doesn't fit any accesories known to man, but that is your fault. If you were a real operator, you would love it. Once again, look at Rainbow Six, that G36 sure is cool isn't it? Yeah, you know you want one.

And by the way, check out our new HK45. We decided that humans don't need to release the magazine with their thumbs. If you were a really manly teutonic operator, you would be able to reach the controls. Plus we've fired 100,000,000 rounds through one with zero malfunctions, and that was while it was buried in a lake of molten lava, on the moon. If you don't believe us, it is because you aren't a real operator.

By the way, our cheap, mass-produced, stamped sheet metal guns like the G3 and MP5 are the bestest things ever, and totally worth asinine scalpers prices, but note that cheap, mass-produced, stamped sheet metal guns from other countries are commie garbage. Not that it matters, because you're civilians, so we won't sell them to you anyway. Because you suck, and we hate you, but we know you'll be back. We can beat you down like a trailer park wife, but you'll come back, you always do.

Buy our stuff.

Sincerely

HK Marketing Department

Solidsnake87
04-24-2008, 7:11 AM
The PSG-1 is still incredibly accurate by today's standards, its just to rare and overpriced for practical application--at least here in the US. Keep in mind these thing run for $10-$17K on gunbroker. There are clone PSG builds that will run $5-$10K depending on quality. There is one guy here on calguns that built one. Check out the 7.62 rifle gallery. It took him a number of years to track down the parts, so yes, parts are VERY hard to come by and very pricey. I've found buttstocks for $500-800, PSG-1 lowers for $400, and the handguards for $400. I think the barrel, handguard, and PSG trunnion are the hardest stuff to get ahold of. Expext to drop serious cash on such a build and expect to spend a lot of time hunting down parts. If ur gonna build one be sure to go all out and do it right!

Hkfanatic
04-24-2008, 7:41 AM
i built one, there not that difficult check out my post.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=837885#post837885

PIRATE14
04-24-2008, 7:48 AM
Funny you guys should bring this up......

BUT the JLD guys have a limited PTR-91 that is a FREE FLOATED 22" model w/ a 2 stg trgr/MAGPUL Stock.....so far shoots about a .5 MOA......

They are very nice rifles and only 60 made......we should have a few of these in the nxt few weeks.....about the 2300 dollar range....:chris:

Plus we are working on a stdy flow of 10 rd mags for the PTR 308 rifles....

tiger222
04-24-2008, 8:48 AM
Parts are rare and very expensive:

Barrel clone $1K
handguard $200
trunion $75
reciever $210
side rails HK $100
scope tabe clone $200
silent close $300 clone $800 HK
maching bolt carrier $100
HK tigger pack $800
HK buttstock $800
cocking tube clone $150
HK bolt group with correct PSG head $700 - $1300

labor to assemble and paint atleast $2K

and you still need
RAddlock $30
10 round mags $30?
and a scope - correct 6x hensoldt is $2000 new from Germany
PSG1 A1 Schmidt Bender 3-12x50 is $2500
plus the $350 rings you need to order from France.

Aside from that, I know nothing :)

redcliff
04-24-2008, 9:19 AM
Theres more PSG-1 clones out there than you may think. F. J. Vollmers did a nice version without a forward assist.

Hkfanatic
04-24-2008, 10:11 AM
heres my break down what it cost.

receiver 250$ includeing dros
cocking tube 150$ came with 21 style handle
handguard 205$ (harder to find then the scope)
trigger pack complete with grip and houseing 550$(traded some stuff to lower price)
buttstock 795$
barrel 250$ ( dont ask i wont tell and its not a joken barrel)
forward assist 250$
receiver rails RDTS 195$
bolt 155$ + 50 to have the forward assist cuts put in it
scope tabs 100$ custom made
tunnion 127$ black market parts
factory hensoldt psg-1 scope 950$ came all the way from newzealand from and ex counter terrorist sniper, well at least that was his story.

all labor performed by me. FREE!!!!

Saigon1965
04-24-2008, 10:26 AM
Vollmer, they were great, all kinds of good stuff.



Theres more PSG-1 clones out there than you may think. F. J. Vollmers did a nice version without a forward assist.

Hkfanatic
04-24-2008, 10:42 AM
sure vollmer was great if you didint mind not getting your parts back after he did a conversion, or sending him a factory hk91 to have a g3 conversion done (paddle mag,restamp and grenade ring on barrel ) and getting your factory gun back with an FMP bolt and carrier in it, and a converted Full auto to semi trigger pack when you shipped him the gun just the way it was shipped from H&K.

no thanks.

redcliff
04-24-2008, 10:50 AM
Wow you're experiences with them were horrible. Sorry to hear that. I got all my parts back and the only problem I had was it took a lot longer than anticipated.

AFAIK they're no longer in business though, but their conversions do bring high prices on resale.

I have a FMP receiver and SR9TC barrel I"d like to get assembled someday, any recommendations on who does good work Hkfanatic?

Hkfanatic
04-24-2008, 11:25 AM
is all you need the barrel pressed into the trunnion? or do you need a complete build done?

PM me with the details, i may be able to help at a very affordable rate.

Charliegone
04-24-2008, 11:28 AM
I have 24" JLD heavy barrel just itching to get built! Man, I really want to build this rifle, but lately money has been coming in short.:(

Hkfanatic
04-24-2008, 11:53 AM
let me know if you want to sell that barrel or need help with a build :)

Saigon1965
04-24-2008, 12:25 PM
Wow with the bad stuff, all went wrong with this conversion.


sure vollmer was great if you didint mind not getting your parts back after he did a conversion, or sending him a factory hk91 to have a g3 conversion done (paddle mag,restamp and grenade ring on barrel ) and getting your factory gun back with an FMP bolt and carrier in it, and a converted Full auto to semi trigger pack when you shipped him the gun just the way it was shipped from H&K.

no thanks.

Hkfanatic
04-24-2008, 1:17 PM
it sucked i had to fight with him to get my parts back, i eventually did but from what i hear this happend alot, the rifle has long since been sold and they have shut down op's but it was a hassle, in my opinion the only time vollmers was good is when terry dyer and murray urbach was working for him. thats when some of their best work was made

Pvt. Cowboy
04-24-2008, 1:25 PM
sure vollmer was great if you didint mind not getting your parts back after he did a conversion, or sending him a factory hk91 to have a g3 conversion done (paddle mag,restamp and grenade ring on barrel ) and getting your factory gun back with an FMP bolt and carrier in it, and a converted Full auto to semi trigger pack when you shipped him the gun just the way it was shipped from H&K.

no thanks.

I had a nice SP89 Stretch from FJ Vollmer back in the mid-'90s. A short time later, FJ Vollmer closed down his shop and went back to gold coin collecting. Bought already converted for $2700 and sold a few years later for $4200 after I realized that it was just a big goofy 9mm pistol and got the irrational Hk worship out of my system. I don't miss it a bit, but it was perfect with all Hk Oberndorf/N parts. Some guy in Texas has that custom SP89 now, presumably.

Kept the Hk91 because it's a monster, but the SP89 had to go.

Hkfanatic
04-24-2008, 1:29 PM
i love all of my H&K's, my 89 especially. i sold the vollmer 91 conversion to get a NIB 91 that still sits in my safe, its the only registered weapon i have that never leaves the house :) the only thing i regret is that i didint get a 93 and 94 before california infringed upon my rights

Charliegone
04-24-2008, 1:56 PM
let me know if you want to sell that barrel or need help with a build :)

Thanks for offer. Can you ask whether using the regular trunnion would work if i just want to use the regular handguard on it (basically it's just going to be a regular hk clone but with a longer barrel).

Citadelgrad87
04-24-2008, 2:03 PM
In a world of compromises, some people put the bullets in the magazine backwards...

But it doesn't matter, because our gun is on the cover of the Rainbow Six video games. Look how cool that SEAL coming out of the water looks... If you buy a $2,000 SOCOM, you will be that cool of an operator too. And chicks will dig you.

At HK, we stuck a piston on an AR15, just like a bunch of other companies have done, dating back to about 1969. However ours is better, because we refuse to sell it to civillians. Because you suck, and we hate you.

Our XM8 is the greatest rifle ever developed. It may melt, and it doesn't fit any accesories known to man, but that is your fault. If you were a real operator, you would love it. Once again, look at Rainbow Six, that G36 sure is cool isn't it? Yeah, you know you want one.

And by the way, check out our new HK45. We decided that humans don't need to release the magazine with their thumbs. If you were a really manly teutonic operator, you would be able to reach the controls. Plus we've fired 100,000,000 rounds through one with zero malfunctions, and that was while it was buried in a lake of molten lava, on the moon. If you don't believe us, it is because you aren't a real operator.

By the way, our cheap, mass-produced, stamped sheet metal guns like the G3 and MP5 are the bestest things ever, and totally worth asinine scalpers prices, but note that cheap, mass-produced, stamped sheet metal guns from other countries are commie garbage. Not that it matters, because you're civilians, so we won't sell them to you anyway. Because you suck, and we hate you, but we know you'll be back. We can beat you down like a trailer park wife, but you'll come back, you always do.

Buy our stuff.

Sincerely

HK Marketing Department

Wow.

Anyway, my registered SR9TC fires 10 shot 1 inch groups at 100, and I have hit a manhole cover 20 for 20 at 800 yards.

It's never jammed or malf'd in any way.

I love the rifle. I do not subscribe to the HK religeon, but the HK products I have purchased do EXACTLY what I bought them to do.

Hkfanatic
04-24-2008, 2:04 PM
the 24 inch heavy barrel will not work with a normal handguard or cocking tube, you have to use a PSG-1 handguard and tube the barrel is too thick. and a front sight tower will not go on either.

it will press into a normal trunnion though, there is nothing special about that. so if you did a build from scratch wou would need to find some PSG-1 parts

hope this helps

Hkfanatic
04-24-2008, 2:06 PM
Fanatic - anywhere you have listed in detail the parts you got, the assembly process - the receiver details ..etc.


if you look a page back from that post its got pics of me building it as well as descriptions

FMJBT
04-24-2008, 3:08 PM
Great job on the PSG-1 HKfanatic!

I've been collecting parts for a number of years now to build one up too. My quest for a barrel was a big stopping point. After waiting almost a full year for a Joeken barrel (Doh!), those idiots sent it to the wrong address without signature service required. They refused to send me a replacement, but did offer to sell me another barrel at their cost of $185.00. At that point, I decided to build my own jig for cutting the internal flutes inside the chamber of an aftermarket Mauser barrel. Using a needle file on a sliding carrier, I can cut one flute in about 20 minutes by hand. Time consuming, yes, but AFAIK I am the only one who has ever done it. I'm still waiting on some parts so I can buld mine up and function test the chamber flutes.

http://album.hybridz.org/data/500/medium/Chamber002.jpg
Picture of a 7.62x39 barrel I fluted for a guy building up an HK to take AK-47 mags.

Mine will of course deviate quite a bit from the real PSG-1. I'm not going to use the STANAG scope base, but will weld on a 20 moa base for a Savage 110 long action to the top of the stainless Century receiver. I'm going to build my own free float handguard, so no need for the extended PSG-1 trunnion. Trigger will either be a standard unit either worked over by myself, or sent in to Williams trigger or Bill Springfield. Buttstock will be one I made, or possibly the Magpul PRS stock for the HK. I also made a walnut PSG style grip with a black delrin base years ago for use on a crappy FA-91. The FA-91 was complete junk, but the grip is still OK. I'll probably re-use the delrin base, but will make another walnut grip as my original never fit up as well as I wanted. I'm still working on making some receiver rails from some heavy 1/4" thick steel "T" stock. I had ordered a pair of the ones floating around on the net for $55.00, only to find out when they arrived that they were the sawed off arms from a telescoping stock :mad:

Minus optics, I hope to have under $1000 invested in the rifle when it is done. Estimated time to completion...... ????????

Hkfanatic
04-24-2008, 3:58 PM
thats pretty cool the way you did the fluting i imagine it was very time consumeing, good luck with your build.

QuarterBoreGunner
04-24-2008, 4:48 PM
That "You suck and we hate you" thing always makes me laugh...

brando
04-24-2008, 5:24 PM
Ha! You guys are crazy - good work on your builds! Back around 1992 I spent some time in Europe with PSG-1s, even got a tour of the factory in Oberndorf and saw what they did differently with the PSG parts. There was one station where an engineer was testing the composition of the metallurgy on PSG barrels and checking for any non-uniformities. He said they culled ten times as many PSG-1 barrels as G3 barrels.

air soft rules!
04-24-2008, 6:10 PM
http://www.hkspecialist.net/index.htm they run out of stock alot but keep checking for those hard to find parts for your HK/G3 needs jld had the trunnion extension and the reenforcing rails pretty cheap.

Hkfanatic
04-24-2008, 7:17 PM
it should be noted that the JLD reinforceing rails are not correct they are right for a 21 build but they do not match the psg-1's profile

FMJBT
04-24-2008, 7:27 PM
it should be noted that the JLD reinforceing rails are not correct they are right for a 21 build but they do not match the psg-1's profile

Absolutely correct. The rails that JLD sells are like the ones I received that were listed as "PSG-1 receiver rails". They are in fact the rails for the HK-21, and are not at all like the PSG-1. They look like the legs from a collapsable stock, cut to length to fit the sides of the receiver. If you see rails for $55.00, chances are pretty good they are not the PSG-1 rails. I've never actually seen genuine HK rails for sale for the PSG-1, only aftermarket rails selling for several hundred dollars.

rorschach
04-24-2008, 7:56 PM
Absolutely correct. The rails that JLD sells are like the ones I received that were listed as "PSG-1 receiver rails". They are in fact the rails for the HK-21, and are not at all like the PSG-1. They look like the legs from a collapsable stock, cut to length to fit the sides of the receiver. If you see rails for $55.00, chances are pretty good they are not the PSG-1 rails. I've never actually seen genuine HK rails for sale for the PSG-1, only aftermarket rails selling for several hundred dollars.

When I went to a show in Phoenix a few years back there was some kook selling "Genuine HK receiver rails" for 125 bucks.......and they were exactly that.....rails cut from a genuine HK collapsible stock!

I'm gathering parts for a MSG90 build, so far all I have is the receiver, C/P 0-1 lower and FCG, trunnion with weld-on extention, mag release, 10 round mag and lock and straight cocking tube. Still looking for that damned handguard among other things.

Hkfanatic
04-24-2008, 8:14 PM
rorschach, check out hkparts.net adam webers website, he's a good guy and he should have the hand guard in stock he got a huge shipment of 130 of them or so about 3 months ago. he shows to have one in stock they are 195$

rorschach
04-24-2008, 8:26 PM
Thanks for the heads up, I didnt know Adam had them in stock again.

FMJBT
04-25-2008, 12:12 AM
Funny you guys should bring this up......

BUT the JLD guys have a limited PTR-91 that is a FREE FLOATED 22" model w/ a 2 stg trgr/MAGPUL Stock.....so far shoots about a .5 MOA......

They are very nice rifles and only 60 made......we should have a few of these in the nxt few weeks.....about the 2300 dollar range....:chris:

Plus we are working on a stdy flow of 10 rd mags for the PTR 308 rifles....

Hopefully those 60 are just to test the waters before producing more. A lot more. There is a huge market for these guns, JLD could make a lot of money if they keep the price competitive with the AR-10's.

kobra
04-25-2008, 11:28 AM
i love all of my H&K's, my 89 especially. i sold the vollmer 91 conversion to get a NIB 91 that still sits in my safe, its the only registered weapon i have that never leaves the house :) the only thing i regret is that i didint get a 93 and 94 before california infringed upon my rights

You can still get the German HK 43, HK 911, and HK 41... if you got the CA$H!

The HK 43 is a pre HK 93.
The HK 41 is a pre HK 91.
The HK 911 is a post HK 91 with a "1" stamped for ones already imported here after the Federal Assault Weapons Ban to comply with the new AW BATF regulations.

Hkfanatic
04-25-2008, 11:37 AM
yeah i know all of that, i've been keeping my eyes open for a 43 but every time one comes up i dont have the coin. i have a NIB 91 thats registered and a 89 as well as about 8 others (pistols, new plastic carbines etc..)