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Fobjoe
04-22-2008, 8:44 PM
Hope this aint a :dupe:

AHSA Endorses Obama. :confused:
Say it aint so....Then again, Billery ain't any better. How about not endorsing either! pshhh....:hide:

http://www.huntersandshooters.com/index.php

"Obama: He 'gets it'

Today, as President of the American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA), I announced our endorsement of Senator Barack Obama for the Democratic nomination for President of the United States. Because the gun issue has recently become a factor in the Democratic primary in Pennsylvania, I want to share the remarks I made today:

As a gun rights organization we have not come to this decision lightly. We were formed two years ago because our research shows that millions of gun owners wanted a change. They not only wanted an organization that would protect their gun rights but an organization that was also committed to the protection of their communities as well as the protection of our lands. We reached out to the Obama campaign several weeks ago to offer our support and approval as was reported by Paul Bedard of US News and World Report. We believe recent attacks on Senator Obama's stand on the 2nd Amendment and his commitment to our hunting and shooting heritage are unfair and American Hunters and Shooters Association is stepping up to set the record straight.

Senator Obama has clearly demonstrated his commitment to the 2nd Amendment by his vote in support of the Vitter amendment to HR 5441, the Department of Homeland Security Appropriations bill of 2007. This amendment prevents the Government from confiscating guns in a time of crisis or emergency. Imagine how the citizens felt during Hurricane Katrina when government agents kicked in doors to confiscate law abiding citizens' guns at a time when they needed them the most. We know Senator Obama "gets it." To say that he is an elitist is patently ridiculous. To hunters and shooters everywhere, Senator Obama's vote demonstrated a fundamental understanding of the meaning of the 2nd Amendment which means he recognizes the individual right of all citizens to keep and bear arms. Senator Clinton, on the hand, failed to grasp the importance of this critical issue to hunters and shooters and voted against this Amendment. She turned her back on America's gun owners. In addition, Senator Obama's commitment to conservation and protection of our natural resources and access to public lands demonstrates to us his commitment to America's hunting and shooting heritage. Senator Obama will be a strong and authentic voice for America's hunters and shooters and it is with great pleasure that we endorse his candidacy.

Ray Schoenke
Wednesday, April 16, 2008"

McMadCow
04-22-2008, 9:03 PM
AHSA is nothing but the Brady Group in disguise. They try to give credibility to the anti-gun causes by claiming to be shooters who are in favor of all sorts of bans and gun regulations. Because surely the 2nd Ammendment is there for the protection of hunters. :rolleyes: This endorsement doesn't surprise me one bit. Obama talks out of both sides of his mouth the same way AHSA does. They're made for each other.

RRangel
04-22-2008, 9:22 PM
AHSA is a shill organization created to endorse anti-gun candidates during times like this, and confuse voters. Yes, the gun banners will go that far. The man behind it, Ray Schoenke, is a known gun ban proponent. That would make him a big fat liar.

In 2000, Schoenke donated $5,000 to Handgun Control, Inc. (now the Brady Campaign) and the Ray and Holly Schoenke Foundation also made donations to the Brady Campaign. AHSA Board member John Rosenthal remains the leader of Stop Handgun Violence, a Massachusetts anti-gun group. And one of the leading organizers of AHSA is Bob Ricker, who has served as a paid expert witness against gun manufacturers in a number of reckless lawsuits. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=3848

bwiese
04-22-2008, 10:16 PM
Oh gawd, turncoat Robert Ricker shows up again.

A bit of history - Ricker got involved as a kinda SASS lobbyist during the SB15 'unsafe handgun' stuff. The split between NRA vs CRPA, with SASS taking a third tack, was the think that kicked SB15 into gear because opposition was not seen as unified.

Since then Ricker's turned into a real antigun shill.

If you'd like to share a piece of your mind with Bob Ricker you can send him email at raricker@gmail.com ...

bigdave1121
04-22-2008, 10:33 PM
I thought about posting this, but thought it would be a DUPE for sure.

What a bullsh** organization.

WokMaster1
04-23-2008, 7:14 AM
can't we do the same thing? Start an "anti-gun organization" & try to keep a straight face, without giggling?:D

Start endorsing McCain.:TFH:

Prc329
04-23-2008, 7:25 AM
There is an article in this months American Rifleman that talks about this and how we can really tell Obama is full of crap when he says he supports the 2nd. I'll scan it and post it tonight.

Sutcliffe
04-23-2008, 7:40 AM
I've heard that there are actually very few members and most of their capital comes from grants from various anti groups. Anybody have evidence of what kind of membership behind them?

Smokeybehr
04-23-2008, 8:20 AM
can't we do the same thing? Start an "anti-gun organization" & try to keep a straight face, without giggling?:D

Start endorsing McCain.:TFH:

"Citizens Against Illegal Gun Use" is endorsing McCain for President. CAIGU feels that McCain will enact common sense gun laws that will save lives.

CAIGU is the shill group that I've been slowly putting together for years.

yellowfin
04-23-2008, 8:53 AM
That's like Chickens for Charcoal Grills and Fish for Eagle Claw associations I was reading about.

Prc329
04-23-2008, 9:40 AM
http://www.nrapublications.org/SG/index.html

To understand Barack Obama on the Second Amendment, you have to know about the clash of character between the then-Chicago state senator and an ordinary citizen who exercised his right to armed self-defense in violation of a local gun ban.
That citizen was a 52-year-old resident of Wilmette, Illinois who, on December 28, 2003 woke to find that during the night his home had been invaded by a career criminal; a thief who stole household items, keys and the homeowner’s car.
The victim, Hale DeMar, described his fear in a letter to the Chicago Sun Times:
“For me, the seconds until I found my children still safely tucked in their beds were horrifying ... The police were called and in routine fashion they came, took the report and with little concern left, promising to increase surveillance. Little comfort, since the invader now had keys to our home and our automobiles. The police informed me that this was not an uncommon event in east Wilmette and offered their condolences ...”
Not 24 hours after the first burglary, the thief returned. Using DeMar’s house keys, the man entered the home, this time setting off the alarm system, automatically notifying the security company. Given the previous night’s lackluster response by police, DeMar was prepared, armed with a handgun—legally purchased years before and kept in a safe. But under Wilmette’s gun ban, that firearm in the home was illegal.
DeMar confronted the criminal, and believing his children were in danger, shot the burglar who then fled the home.
“Until you are shocked by a piercing alarm in the middle of the night and met in your kitchen by a masked invader as your children shudder in their beds, until you confront that very real nightmare, please don’t suggest that some village trustee knows better ...”
“If my actions have spared only one family from the distress and trauma that this habitual criminal has caused hundreds of others, then I have served my civic duty and taken one evil creature off of our streets, something that our impotent criminal justice system had failed to do, despite some thirty odd arrests, plea bargains and suspended sentences.”
The burglar, who was arrested after driving DeMar’s stolen SUV to a hospital, had an extensive criminal record.
Cook County prosecutors ultimately declared DeMar’s use of a firearm to be justified. But Wilmette village officials pressed nonetheless to prosecute him for illegal possession of his handgun—a charge punishable by a huge fine and jail time. A town official was quoted in Reason magazine saying, “We need to set the example that we’re trying to protect our citizens.” And he said, DeMar—by possessing a legally purchased handgun—“is endangering innocent civilians.”

The outcry of the Illinois public was heard all the way to the state capitol. As a result, the Illinois House and Senate passed legislation in May 2004 to protect citizens who use handguns in self-defense in their homes or businesses despite local handgun bans. The House accepted the DeMar self-defense bill by a vote of 86-25 and the Senate moved the legislation on a 38-20 vote.
And here lies the seminal moment for State Senator Barack Obama. When Obama turned thumbs down on the bill, he voted against the most basic element of the Second Amendment—the right of defense of self and family—the reason that millions of Americans own firearms.
When the governor vetoed the bill, Obama once again voted against a citizen’s right to self-defense. Despite his vote, the veto override passed the Senate and the House by overwhelming majorities, thereby enacting this bill into law.
Now, fast forward to today’s slippery oratory of U.S. Sen. Barack Obama just three years from being an unknown state senator—now morphed by the media into a spellbinding U.S. Senator seeking to be President of the United States.
Using words like “protecting sportsmen,” Obama is now saying that he believes in the Second Amendment ... but with almost universal exceptions, all of which he lists under the heading of “common sense gun safety laws.”
“Common sense gun safety” and the Second Amendment? Like endorsing the D.C. gun ban, which outlaws armed self-defense in the home—now being challenged before the U.S. Supreme Court. Obama, who as President would be in the position to nominate justices to that high court, has declared that the D.C. ban doesn’t violate the Second Amendment.
“Common sense gun safety” and the Second Amendment? In a “1998 National Political Awareness Test,” he pledged to support a “Ban [on] the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons”—meaning most handguns and many rifles and shotguns that you and I own.
“Common sense gun safety” and the Second Amendment? Like demanding that the federal government preempt the 40 hard-won state laws creating Right-to-Carry. Here’s how the Chicago Tribune put it: “Obama said he opposed allowing ordinary citizens to carry concealed weapons and that a federal law banning concealed carried weapons except for law enforcement is needed.”
“Common sense gun safety” and the Second Amendment? Like the draconian proposals funded to the tune of $18,000,000 by the rabidly anti-gun Joyce Foundation while Obama was an activist member of its board of directors.
Obama’s alleged support of the Second Amendment is utterly cynical and false. Barack Obama is not for the right to keep and bear arms; he’s out to destroy it.

E Pluribus Unum
04-23-2008, 9:46 AM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=42844

dfletcher
04-23-2008, 2:36 PM
Certainly I'm not the only one to have noticed they don't even have the 2nd Amendment properly quoted on their web site - it would be interesting to know from where they get their funding. George Soros, Move On or LCAV type groups?

CowboyShooter
04-23-2008, 3:02 PM
anytime a "pro gun" organization endorses "reasonable gun laws" and a "common sense approach" it should be a big red flag to true supporters of the 2nd amendment.

FreedomIsNotFree
04-23-2008, 5:03 PM
Interesting how McCain was not even in the running for their "endorsement". Considering it was only between the Dems, I believe its obvious that they are shills.

ViPER395
04-23-2008, 5:21 PM
I sent them a nice message.

FreedomIsNotFree
04-23-2008, 5:31 PM
This, taken from their website.....

DC Gun Law
ASHA believes the DC gun law should be amended to allow law-abiding citizens the right to acquire and keep handguns in their homes and places of business.

AHSA supports the Second Amendment to the US Constitution and the use of firearms for all lawful purposes, including hunting, self-defense, collecting, and competitive or recreational shooting. Moreover, AHSA agrees with the Justice Department of the United States that the Second Amendment more broadly protects the rights of individuals, including persons who are not members of any militia or engaged in active military service or training, to possess and bear their own firearms, subject to reasonable restrictions designed to prevent possession by unfit persons or to restrict the possession of types of firearms that are particularly suited to criminal misuse


So help me understand this.....They claim Obama "gets it", yet Obama didn't add his signature to any of the amicus in support of Heller. If we also take in to consideration Obama's recent comments hostile towards CCW's, I dont think Obama or AHSA "gets it"....

tankerman
04-23-2008, 5:45 PM
Why did th OP add a ! Like this is some kind of legitimate org. Perhaps you should do a bit of research before putting on the chicken little act, "the sky is falling".

LECTRIKHED
04-23-2008, 6:06 PM
What a bunch of bull. This group is obviously an anti-gun front group.

subject to reasonable restrictions designed to prevent possession by unfit persons or to restrict the possession of types of firearms that are particularly suited to criminal misuse

This is every anti-gun argument. It just so happens that they believe all handguns, rifles, and shotguns are "particularly suited to criminal misuse." Just like the handgun safety bull here in CA. The law has nothing to do with safety.

Obama is the most anti-gun candidate. He has stated that he believes all semi-automatic guns should be illegal. Coincidentally he has the most support and connections to terrorists. I'm sure they'll be happy to see unarmed citizens.

With all the old Soviet weapon caches hidden in the U.S. every American should be armed. I can easily see how terrorists could get the locations in the Russian black market.

RRangel
04-23-2008, 6:52 PM
This, taken from their website.....




So help me understand this.....They claim Obama "gets it", yet Obama didn't add his signature to any of the amicus in support of Heller. If we also take in to consideration Obama's recent comments hostile towards CCW's, I dont think Obama or AHSA "gets it"....

That's just part of the shill.

dfletcher
04-23-2008, 7:38 PM
This, taken from their website.....
DC Gun Law
"ASHA believes the DC gun law should be amended to allow law-abiding citizens the right to acquire and keep handguns in their homes and places of business.

AHSA supports the Second Amendment to the US Constitution and the use of firearms for all lawful purposes, including hunting, self-defense, collecting, and competitive or recreational shooting. Moreover, AHSA agrees with the Justice Department of the United States that the Second Amendment more broadly protects the rights of individuals, including persons who are not members of any militia or engaged in active military service or training, to possess and bear their own firearms, subject to reasonable restrictions designed to prevent possession by unfit persons or to restrict the possession of types of firearms that are particularly suited to criminal misuse"



So help me understand this.....They claim Obama "gets it", yet Obama didn't add his signature to any of the amicus in support of Heller. If we also take in to consideration Obama's recent comments hostile towards CCW's, I dont think Obama or AHSA "gets it"....

Another very carefully worded statement from "our friends".

The DC law should not be amended, it should also be tossed. And the only armed self defense purpose these fellows will stand up for is in one's home or business? How gutsy of them to go out so far on that very robust limb.

I suppose "more broadly" means subject to whatever restrictions the state prefers, and of course the state also gets to determine what type of guns are allowed in citizen's hands.

So basically, these folks will allow that certain people may be allowed to possess certain firearms under certain conditions for certain purposes - at the discretion of the state. I wonder, does ASHA actually post a link to the Brady site?

pullnshoot25
04-23-2008, 10:09 PM
Rat bastards.

FreedomIsNotFree
04-23-2008, 10:23 PM
I heard Zumbo was a charter member of this "organization"......you know....as long as I get to keep my hunting rifle...I dont mind that evil looking black rifles are banned....after all, they aren't sporting rifles anyway....they are made to kill people....:rolleyes:

Fate
05-07-2008, 2:43 PM
Another firearms group outs the AHSA: http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/5635

Sutcliffe
05-07-2008, 2:50 PM
A few dozen, a thousand? Anybody know an actual member?

CCWFacts
05-07-2008, 3:01 PM
A few dozen, a thousand? Anybody know an actual member?

I doubt it's a membership organization. Maybe a few dozen members?

Saying Obama "gets it" is like saying the Inquisition "gets religious freedom".

There AHSA guys have been outed since the very beginning. Some of their founding members came over from the Brady Campaign. I think some of their founders are Jewish, which is quite bizarre for them to be involved in working for hunting rights.

There's a lot of different opinions on points of gun rights but a baseline for credibility would be opposing "evil-looking rifle" bans and supporting shall-issue CCW. Anyone who can't make clear statements on those things is not a supporter of the RKBA.

Andruski
05-07-2008, 6:15 PM
Dang, I did not know this stuff :confused:

I wonder how many people they are fooling :eek:

snobordr
05-07-2008, 8:33 PM
......restrict the possession of types of firearms that are particularly suited to criminal misuse

To me, this is the key indicating statement that should send off the alarm should nothing else do that. I mean, let's face it, a baby pacifier is particularly suited to criminal misuse, when its crammed down your throat far enough to prevent breathing. To me this statement means that basically, any functioning firearm is eligible for "restriction".

troyus
05-08-2008, 12:00 PM
We should form an organization called the "American society for Gun safety and Control" or ASGSC... and everyone who joins has OLLs and what have you and loves to shoot... safely. ;)