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bobgengeskahn
04-22-2008, 3:22 PM
So after reading A LOT of threads and Cali law on muzzle breaks v. flash hiders I have decided to cut the barrel on my mini-14 (inspired by this thread: http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=51631&highlight=where+to+cut+barrel)

Now everything I have read has said that the John Masen breaks are Ca. legal, specifically this one: http://www.johnmasen.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=J&Product_Code=1438B&Category_Code=RMA

So I ordered it last night and this morning received an email saying that they could not ship it to Ca because its not legal! And it is a muzzle break, and it does not have the bayonet lug (even though I would love one :D)

So does anyone know how valid this is? because I have seen them in Ca. and if not, is there another break that is ~5" that is legal? and actually has good reviews?

Kestryll
04-22-2008, 3:26 PM
I've always seen those listed and referred to as brakes, I would guess John Masen isn't as conversant with Cali laws as they could be.
Get it off of ebay and get the bayo lug version.
http://cgi.ebay.com/RUGER-MINI-14-Bayonet-Lug-Muzzle-Brake-Sight_W0QQitemZ350050550147QQihZ022QQcategoryZ7394 9QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

dfletcher
04-22-2008, 3:28 PM
It's a brake. Brownells will sell it to you, no problem. I believe one of our regular posters puts these on short barreled Mini 14s to get an ATF approved 16" bbl with permanently attached device.

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=25221&title=MINI-14%20BLACK%20WARRIOR%20MUZZLE%20BRAKE

762cavalier
04-22-2008, 5:07 PM
Yup you can't order John Masen products for CA from Masen. Get it from Midway,Brownell's, or :eek:sleaze-bay:(

bobgengeskahn
04-22-2008, 5:18 PM
hmmmm... very interesting... thanks guys!

ohsmily
04-22-2008, 5:46 PM
Yup you can't order John Masen products for CA from Masen. Get it from Midway,Brownell's, or :eek:sleaze-bay:(

You might want to think about whether you want to support a company that refuses to ship legal parts to CA because of a) their ignorance b) their dislike of the state of CA or c) their stupidity.
One might argue that they simply don't want to "deal with the headaches of CA law." Well, it takes about 5 minutes of reading to determine that most any part, as long as it isn't a firearm or NFA part, is legal to ship to CA.

ohsmily
04-22-2008, 5:47 PM
these guys call it a flash hider

http://www.gunaccessories.com/Mini1430/index.asp

I wouldn't put that on my featureless gun. However, I will reserve final judgment until I can see the device from all angles with special attention paid to the front (exit) of the device.

bobgengeskahn
04-22-2008, 6:12 PM
Ok, so I'm looking at these two now:

http://cgi.ebay.com/COLT-BUSHMASTER-ARMALITE-RRA-MUZZLE-BRAKE-COMPENSATOR_W0QQitemZ140226211446QQihZ004QQcategor yZ73949QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MGR071-1418-2659.html

sights aren't an issue because I have a scout optic on it. Has anyone used the first one? I kind of like how its inconspicuous and clean. Having a mini in the first place people start to question it if you trick it out. Where as I know people have had good results with the John Masen, and results are what is important :chris:

Matt C
04-22-2008, 6:22 PM
Hey guys, what is or is not a muzzle break/flash hider is a VERY unresolved issue of law. Hunt may clear this up very shortly, but for now, anything that could possibly function to reduce or suppress muzzle flash from the shooter's POV IS a flash suppressor, regardless of how it is marketed, what it looks like, or even what it actually does. And since there is no objective test or standard to determine such, anything you put on the end of the barrel can get you thrown in jail and cause a long costly legal fight that you may lose if you have a detachable mag.

These companies doing some good CYA by not selling here, blame the DOJ not them.

You have been warned.

LAK Supply
04-22-2008, 7:48 PM
I know a guy in Modesto who's done hundreds of these.... it is not as simple as cutting your barrel and throwing that brake on. There are a few things you have to watch out for, and there is a certain length that is optimal for the Mini....

If you want his contact info PM me.... and you're fine with that brake..... nothing illegal about it.... just one more idiot company that doesn't know the laws.




So after reading A LOT of threads and Cali law on muzzle breaks v. flash hiders I have decided to cut the barrel on my mini-14 (inspired by this thread: http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/showthread.php?t=51631&highlight=where+to+cut+barrel)

Now everything I have read has said that the John Masen breaks are Ca. legal, specifically this one: http://www.johnmasen.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=J&Product_Code=1438B&Category_Code=RMA

So I ordered it last night and this morning received an email saying that they could not ship it to Ca because its not legal! And it is a muzzle break, and it does not have the bayonet lug (even though I would love one :D)

So does anyone know how valid this is? because I have seen them in Ca. and if not, is there another break that is ~5" that is legal? and actually has good reviews?

ViPER395
04-23-2008, 3:54 PM
Get a Smith MB.

anyracoon
04-23-2008, 4:46 PM
I have one like on the Cheaper than Dirt link except it does not have the AR Bayonet Lug on it. Mine is made out of stainless I think. Been laying in the back of the gun safe. Probally should find it a new home. PM me if interested.

fun2none
04-23-2008, 5:03 PM
It appears to have a tapered opening, which means it has an partially enclosed expansion chamber like other compensator (brake) design. It is not that much different than a M1a brake. Even their website says it's a brake.

http://www.midwayusa.com/mediasvr.dll/highresimage?saleitemid=185641

Matt C
04-23-2008, 6:17 PM
You guys know that how the device is marketed does not mean jack here right?

mymonkeyman
04-23-2008, 7:36 PM
You guys know that how the device is marketed does not mean jack here right?

Well technically it is CA DOJ's opinion in Hunt that is exactly what matters and makes the flash hider part of the AW ban constitutional, even though they talk out their other mouth when talking to people about what a flash hider actually is. Again, as you said, that is not settled, and the government is allowed to change its argument in every case.

The real thing that bothers me is that you could have a registered AW or a mag lock, etc. The flash hider on its own is not illegal.

Matt C
04-23-2008, 9:40 PM
Well technically it is CA DOJ's opinion in Hunt that is exactly what matters and makes the flash hider part of the AW ban constitutional, even though they talk out their other mouth when talking to people about what a flash hider actually is. Again, as you said, that is not settled, and the government is allowed to change its argument in every case.

The real thing that bothers me is that you could have a registered AW or a mag lock, etc. The flash hider on its own is not illegal.

I don't think that is the DOJ's position at all. They have said repeatedly in depo that anything which is attached to the rifle and "functions to reduce or redirect flash our of the shooter's point of view" is a flash hider. To the point of saying that a pair of sunglasses on the rifle would be a flash hider and trigger AW status. Certainly anything which is a muzzle break and is only designed and intended to be a muzzle break is a flash hider according to the DOJ if they send it to their secret lab and their test, for which they have no standards, determines it to be one.

Peashooter
04-23-2008, 9:57 PM
Why exactly is it more evil if it reduces flash?
And why does it make it more deadly that an ordinary citizen should not possess it?

Matt C
04-23-2008, 10:08 PM
Why exactly is it more evil if it reduces flash?
And why does it make it more deadly that an ordinary citizen should not possess it?

Well, it's beside the point, but nothing. They just want to ban as much as they can, by scaring people away from owning guns. They are like terrorists:eek:...

jandmtv
04-23-2008, 10:26 PM
Well, it's beside the point, but nothing. They just want to ban as much as they can, by scaring people away from owning guns. They are like terrorists:eek:...


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