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lehn20
04-22-2008, 2:46 AM
Would this be a legal CA rifle, if I pinned it?
I know PTR 91s are CA legal, but this one is build on a century receiver.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=97726926

Thanks

redcliff
04-22-2008, 5:44 AM
It's not listed, so a Raddlock and 10 round fixed magazine should work.

berkeleygiraffe
04-22-2008, 8:39 AM
and as long as when folded it's more than 30 inches

aplinker
04-22-2008, 10:06 AM
They're legal... get them here:

http://www.lanworldinc.com/HK.html

and here:

http://www.coldwarshooters.net/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=11

rorschach
04-22-2008, 9:44 PM
Thats a pretty wild HK51 clone. Too bad its on a Century rec. :(

Check with the seller to see how long the barrel is. A barrel on a G3 clone with the meat tenderizer stock must measure a hair over 16 1/2" put it over 30" OAL. With a standard stock this would not be an issue.

My PTR91k with 18" barrel measures at 31 1/2" collapsed.

JPglee1
04-22-2008, 9:46 PM
FWIW Ive got about 6 or so G3 mags that would make killer 10/20 mags ;)

If you need a 10/20 for a G3... hit me up. :D


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lehn20
04-22-2008, 9:59 PM
great. Thanks for the link

I sent he GB guy an email to see if he will ship and OAL. If not, lanworldinc will do

lehn20
04-22-2008, 10:03 PM
JPglee1

I might take you up on that. I do have 6 old hk91 mags I bought 10 years ago, but you can never have enough:43:
and I wouldnt mind getting a G3 when I have some more funds.

redcliff
04-22-2008, 10:32 PM
I would not try a "re-marked" receiver with a phony model number on it that wouldn't match the serial number.

However HK SR9's, SR9T's and SR9TC's arent on the list. Nor are Springfield SAR 8's.

redcliff
04-22-2008, 10:49 PM
I see, so in that case they wouldnt be phony markings that wouldnt match the serial number :)

Thank you for clarifying that!

JPB
04-23-2008, 5:44 AM
Don't forget the HK 41 and 43.

rorschach
04-23-2008, 2:03 PM
There is no law against remarking the model number, federal or state. Only the serial number must not be altered or removed. That being said, many of the HK smiths (Big50, IGF, ARS, RDTS) will not mark a non-HK receiver with "HK" . There are a few sellers offer aftermarket receivers marked HK51 and HK53 (Gordon Miller sells a Vector receiver marked HK53). If you found a stripped SR9 that would be a perfect HK51 build, and could even be marked "HK51", even though no such model ever existed from the factory. Guys have HK94's remarked with "HK MP5" all the time.

IGF would only mark my PTR with G3k, not HK G3k. On my HK SR9 he said he could mark it HK-whatever I wanted.

redcliff
04-23-2008, 2:44 PM
There is no law against remarking the model number, federal or state. Only the serial number must not be altered or removed. That being said, many of the HK smiths (Big50, IGF, ARS, RDTS) will not mark a non-HK receiver with "HK" . There are a few sellers offer aftermarket receivers marked HK51 and HK53 (Gordon Miller sells a Vector receiver marked HK53). If you found a stripped SR9 that would be a perfect HK51 build, and could even be marked "HK51", even though no such model ever existed from the factory. Guys have HK94's remarked with "HK MP5" all the time.

IGF would only mark my PTR with G3k, not HK G3k. On my HK SR9 he said he could mark it HK-whatever I wanted.

So taking your example one step further, removing "Colt AR-15" from a lower and remarking it "Cal-Gun OLL Model" is fine? :)

rorschach
04-23-2008, 5:43 PM
Im sure that it would get you past an FFL, but should for wahtever reason the rifle gets seized and the powers that be actually take the time to research that serial # with Colt and find that it comes back to an AR, you might be in a little hot water.

I tried doing the exact thing with an HK94 that was remarked to "MP5". I felt it just wasnt worth the risk because it was still an HK94.

lehn20
04-23-2008, 5:44 PM
All good info.

In regards to the gun on GB it is 30 3/8 inches long collapsed and the guy said shipping to my CA FFL is no problem. So I might pull the trigger on this one.

lehn20
04-23-2008, 6:37 PM
Would it be legal to add a fixed stock and cut the barrel back, still keeping the OAL 30inches+? Kinda like a legal SBR. I think it would look sick if the barrel was cut back to the SF forend.

rorschach
04-23-2008, 6:54 PM
Would it be legal to add a fixed stock and cut the barrel back, still keeping the OAL 30inches+? Kinda like a legal SBR. I think it would look sick if the barrel was cut back to the SF forend.

Like this V51? (With a Surefire of course)
http://www.ssgtactical.com/vectorv51sbr.jpg

The barrel would still need to be over 16" (even if OAL is >30") otherwise it's an SBR. Even with a fake can, they still look pretty wild.

http://vectorarms.com/shop/images/V51%20LS.gif

lehn20
04-24-2008, 12:40 AM
Thanks. I guess it will be with a fake supressor then:cool:

lehn20
04-24-2008, 6:32 PM
CDI factor mostly, and because I can.
(I still want a second PTR91 Para 16inch)
It would still be ok for CQB. I am thinking 11.5 inch + short fake suppressor. To preserve some velocity.
Thrust me, I know about ballistics out of short barrels!. I had a 7inch Viper upper, when I was out of town, rocking gun till about 150 yards. Great for vehicle movements.

rorschach
04-24-2008, 6:37 PM
why must you fire a 7.62X51 on such a short barrel and loose all the advantages. The fireball you see at the end of the muzzle is the powder that did not burn due to the short length of the barrel .. HK91's came with 17.71" barrels and that is the least for my personal preference.

using a 9 or a 11" barrel is basically bringing the ballistics of the bullet DOWN towards 7.62X39!

If it is for the cool factor.. I have no arguments, go for it. I still do plenty of things cause they are cool..

Fashion-over-functioN (only sometimes ..)

IIRC, the Vector fake cans are not pinned, and can be removed from the 16" barrel.