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NOTABIKER
08-28-2014, 10:18 AM
I have come to love my 2002 thin barrel mini 14. seems the retail price and many sharp shooters concern over not being the target rifle some want hurts its popularity. plenty of very nice used mini 14s out their for around 500-600 dollars. i made my own home made barrel strut for my mini for under 20 dollars.
I only did it for something to do. for most shooting it does not matter. These mini 14s are so dang handy and reliable. most people like the AR better but that does not mean their is not room for mini 14s.

Spaceghost
08-28-2014, 10:19 AM
Nope. Sold my mini 30 years ago, don't miss it one bit.

durandal
08-28-2014, 10:23 AM
Only reason i like it is how it looks-- like a m1/m14.. Only cheaper to shoot. Too bad a SKS has more going for it in terms of accuracy, cost effectiveness and .. (Groan) Accessorizing.

Perhaps if it was made by another manufacturer it wouldn't be such a disappointment. Its like a hot girl that gains 30 pounds and loses all motivation. So sad.

Id like to see it standardized and have parts made by more than one outfit-- you know, like actual US service rifles.

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jdben92883
08-28-2014, 10:24 AM
There's a reason to not love Mini's. They suck. I had one that had a full Accuracy Systems upgrade + trigger work and it still sucked. The ONLY thing going for a Mini is the bazillion spare parts floating around. If you want an ultra-reliable featureless .223 that has the added bonus of using AR mags, then look no further than the Benelli MR1.

Spaceghost
08-28-2014, 10:37 AM
As long as you're right handed. I have heard of several lefties getting tagged with hot brass from an MR1.


There's a reason to not love Mini's. They suck. I had one that had a full Accuracy Systems upgrade + trigger work and it still sucked. The ONLY thing going for a Mini is the bazillion spare parts floating around. If you want an ultra-reliable featureless .223 that has the added bonus of using AR mags, then look no further than the Benelli MR1.

12ga
08-28-2014, 10:42 AM
The only reason I would consider getting rid of my Mini 14 would be to replace it with an M14.

Mossy Man
08-28-2014, 10:49 AM
You guys know how I feel


Good little gun, with a few upgrades from Ruger could be a great little gun.

NOTABIKER
08-28-2014, 10:51 AM
had a
M 14
M1
1903A3
M1 carbine
1918 Mauser
all gone, still have the mini

iluvmycolt
08-28-2014, 10:54 AM
I have come to love my 2002 thin barrel mini 14. seems the retail price and many sharp shooters concern over not being the target rifle some want hurts its popularity. plenty of very nice used mini 14s out their for around 500-600 dollars. i made my own home made barrel strut for my mini for under 20 dollars.
I only did it for something to do. for most shooting it does not matter. These mini 14s are so dang handy and reliable. most people like the AR better but that does not mean their is not room for mini 14s.

:useless:

NOTABIKER
08-28-2014, 11:01 AM
:useless:

It does not have a flash light, laser, collapsible stock, pistol grip, rail, silencer, twisted barrel. not much to see.:p

Taquero07
08-28-2014, 11:11 AM
I sold mine in 2011 (181 series) to buy an AR. no schits given about the mini

iluvmycolt
08-28-2014, 11:11 AM
It does not have a flash light, laser, collapsible stock, pistol grip, rail, silencer, twisted barrel. not much to see.:p

Is this it...:rofl: :tt2:

350530

AragornElessar86
08-28-2014, 11:12 AM
The only reason I would consider getting rid of my Mini 14 would be to replace it with an M14.

Exactly. And even then I'd be hard pressed to part with it.

sealocan
08-28-2014, 11:23 AM
Two words...




A team.



okay actually that's one letter and one word but still you get my point.

I'm ok that there are supposedly accuracy issues, it's kept the price down to a reasonable amount and although I have never owned one, I would love to grab one someday, especially the stainless steel versions with the stainless steel factory folding stock. I know that type of setup is very heavy, my friend had one
but they look cool and mean even if the A team hadn't used them
to "Not kill "anyone.

the one thing that I would like to see fixed is the fact that they supposedly have trouble cycling is steel cased ammo that's so cheap nowadays.

SloChicken
08-28-2014, 11:25 AM
minis don't get much love, but they get lots of press ...

I think the haters have a secret fetish, that is why these threads perpetuate ...

Well, until the next.

Complimentary Pron ...

Mini 30 (196) and its inspiration

What can a AR (10 or 15) do that these ones can't?

That, my friends, that - is the question ...

Hint,
look toward the front of the trigger guard.

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m48/Slom3chicken/Firearms%20-%20Hunting/photo23_zpsc87c851d.jpg (http://s101.photobucket.com/user/Slom3chicken/media/Firearms%20-%20Hunting/photo23_zpsc87c851d.jpg.html)

peacedivision
08-28-2014, 11:29 AM
http://s10.postimg.org/b96jkft3d/earthtones.jpg

Doesn't get shot as much as it should but I still love it, earth tones family portrait :D

smle-man
08-28-2014, 11:33 AM
I like mine. I've been a Mini 14 fan since my series 180 that I got when they were almost impossible to find, around '74 or so. I've owned two stainless since then, have a stainless 185 series now. It's not a tack driver, accuracy is about on par with an AK. It gets the job done to 300 yards.

NOTABIKER
08-28-2014, 11:47 AM
glad to see some positive posts, i knew a few haters would barge in. not being the most accurate does not take away from it being a great rifle.
The mini and the M1 carbine are a lot alike in size, weight and looks. Because the M1 carbine is a beloved combat war rifle it mostly gets love. I had a VERY nice 1943 IBM with all the goodies and it was a nice rifle for sure. But the 30 cal carbine is lacking in the fire power department for sure.I doubt a M1 carbine is as accurate as a 223 mini at 100-200 yards and the mini is much cheaper to shoot. Yes the AR is a better rifle but that does not mean we all would rather have one.

Taquero07
08-28-2014, 11:52 AM
I like the newer minis, wouldn't mind having one and who can forget the OEM folding stocks? those are damned nice, too bad Ruger doesn't make them anymore.

robcoe
08-28-2014, 11:59 AM
I like the newer minis, wouldn't mind having one and who can forget the OEM folding stocks? those are damned nice, too bad Ruger doesn't make them anymore.

I have one of those, I can't install it here because California(I know I could use a BB, but that would ruin one of my favorite things about the mini, being able to drop a magazine without a tool or a silly featureless stock on an AR), but I use it whenever I am out of state.

crufflers
08-28-2014, 12:41 PM
I have come to love my 2002 thin barrel mini 14.These mini 14s are so dang handy and reliable. most people like the AR better but that does not mean their is not room for mini 14s.

I still have a matte stainless standard from back then. It is handy.
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g84/cyberpunanie/67C11EA5-4046-4121-B1D0-FC67C15B81C1.jpg (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/cyberpunanie/media/67C11EA5-4046-4121-B1D0-FC67C15B81C1.jpg.html)

JAvendan
08-28-2014, 1:27 PM
i'll play :)

my new-to-me mini14 821 series i got from a fellow cal gunner!

http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/javendan/Boom/RugerMini14_zps4bae12db.jpg (http://s716.photobucket.com/user/javendan/media/Boom/RugerMini14_zps4bae12db.jpg.html)

maxpedition rolly polly dump bag with maxpedition double grenade pounches for the 10rnd mags

http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/javendan/Boom/20140806_190723_zpsvbmh7yos.jpg (http://s716.photobucket.com/user/javendan/media/Boom/20140806_190723_zpsvbmh7yos.jpg.html)

http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/javendan/Boom/20140806_190907_zpsbfgvkslq.jpg (http://s716.photobucket.com/user/javendan/media/Boom/20140806_190907_zpsbfgvkslq.jpg.html)

i love this rifle!!!

joel

smle-man
08-28-2014, 5:14 PM
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/smle-man/IMG_0010_zps42b9b53b.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/smle-man/IMG_0012_zps88dae575.jpg

Mine...just installed a steel buttplate in place of the rubber one. I picked up four no name 10 round magazines at CDNN last year for $9.99; they work just as well as the Ruger factory 10 round magazine which in this case is flawlessly. Really don't get the distain for the Mini that some folks heap on it.

hermosabeach
08-28-2014, 5:25 PM
I sold a Stainless Ranch Mini14

It was horribly inaccurate...

If you dropped a mag, the feed lips can easily bend... as the bolt moves through the feed lips... reliability can go to zero with that mag....


I will stick to a newer platform...

Taquero07
08-28-2014, 5:38 PM
minis don't get much love, but they get lots of press ...

I think the haters have a secret fetish, that is why these threads perpetuate ...

Well, until the next.

Complimentary Pron ...

Mini 30 (196) and its inspiration

What can a AR (10 or 15) do that these ones can't?

That, my friends, that - is the question ...

Hint,
look toward the front of the trigger guard.



you've been here long enough to know the answers
i can go featureless on my AR and do the same thing
i get more accuracy out of my AR than any mini ever will
my AR doesn't have proprietary scope mounts/rings
my AR isn't cast
i can customize my AR however i want
oh and i can find magazines that feed reliably and they aren't proprietary
my AR looks a lot cooler and it has a shiny bolt

NOTABIKER
08-28-2014, 6:13 PM
so tell me is a 800 dollar AR more accurate than a newer thicker barrel mini 14.
This post is dragging in so much anti mini hate i just have to give my 2c. this was about mini love , if you do not like them than we do not want to here from you about it.
I am a VN ARMY vet 68-69 and carried a M-16 for a year. As good as the AR is i never want or will own one. it has become such a poser, d**k extension i hate them. nothing but a pissing contest gun to me.Whatever short comings the mini has mean nothing to me.

Taquero07
08-28-2014, 6:35 PM
so tell me is a 800 dollar AR more accurate than a newer thicker barrel mini 14.
This post is dragging in so much anti mini hate i just have to give my 2c. this was about mini love , if you do not like them than we do not want to here from you about it.
I am a VN ARMY vet 68-69 and carried a M-16 for a year. As good as the AR is i never want or will own one. it has become such a poser, d**k extension i hate them. nothing but a pissing contest gun to me.Whatever short comings the mini has mean nothing to me.

prolly about the same but you still have the magazine issue. mini's are cool and all but i think ruger needs to update the design to stay competitive. i know they tried the 6.8 thing but they canned it. i wouldn't bother with a mini 30, i'd just get an AK. i have an Egyptian parts kit with a Romanian barrel that looks beat to hell but it's probably just as accurate as a new mini 14.

anyway, im not hating on mini's, as i said before, i had one but sold it in 2011 to get an LWRC A3 and i wouldn't mind having a new mini, i just have other guns on my wish list that come before it.

SloChicken
08-28-2014, 6:44 PM
you've been here long enough to know the answers
i can go featureless on my AR and do the same thing
Still a compromise whether it be the kydex grip or MM/Hammerhead, and so on, it is as much of a detriment to proper function of the rifle - at least as much as anything you are pinning on the mini.
I should add, that I have a kydex on my AK, HK USC, and a MonsterMan grip on my 20"AR Soon going to add a kydex wrap to my my FAL as well - and it makes the rifles so much more useable. But to say it isn't a compromise, would be telling a fib.
Not as bad as a bullet button, but still ...



i get more accuracy out of my AR than any mini ever will
See accuracy systems sub MOA rifles (follow link below)
Sub Moa is about all I am good for - if that. How about you? And what exactly are you going to do with all that accuracy that you couldn't get done with a mini?


my AR doesn't have proprietary scope mounts/rings
Yeah, those things never did make sense to me. Still, it is easy enough of a thing to fix. I use the Ultimak rail on my rifle, but there are many more options available. Further, if you are running a basic scope, the rings work fine.


my AR isn't cast

Many more AR "forgings" have defects (porous, out of spec, etc.) than those of the standardized, mass produced for many years mini - that is just common sense with all the questionable manufacturers out there.
Besides, functionally how would/could you appreciate the difference? Other than the incidence with ARs and cracked lowers, out of spec upper-lower interface, weeping castings and so on.
Riddle me that one.

i can customize my AR however i want

meet SAGE mini 14
http://savethegun.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/mini14-1.gif

Bullpup mini 14
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=468362

All kinds of fully hot-rodded examples at accuracy systems.

http://www.mini14tactical.com/
For about 2k your mini will be one bad mamma jamma. That really isn't far off from what many of us have in our ARs, right?
I have about that in each of my ARs I would say - so what is the difference really?
Yes, maybe you can't go down to the local shop and pick up whatever widget as easily as an AR.
But it isn't like I am running around buying stuff for my mini every day, and things are easy enough to get online within a couple of days.
So what does that really matter, in practical terms?

One can't trick out a mini quite as easily (it isn't legolike as ARs are in their assembly), but it still can be done, and quite well - and yes, they can be made to shoot sub MOA if that is what you are after. Which, while it is nice to have a good precision rifle for the range, I will take a good honest day hunting any time.

But why have all that convertibility?
Other than to add a scope of your choosing, what is the point? Do I really need my toaster oven to come along? A Jacuzzi mount? I mean c'mon ...

I see the need for a nice bottle opener on an AK but really, aren't things just a little out of hand with "accessories" these days?
My mini has a scout rail that has a perfectly adequate 2-7 hi-lux on it. The rifle doesn't really need more, and I actually have two picatinny accessory rails I can attach gizmos if I choose.
How many more do I need? What is my mission exactly ???
LOL

This is not to say that I don't have rifles with silly ****, right on up to 45 degree canted sights with tritium blades. But that isn't really what a mini does.
Think trail, backpacking, varminting, or even ranch work.

Hey, that would be a good name for it. Ranch Rifle ...
Hmmn


oh and i can find magazines that feed reliably and they aren't proprietary
my AR looks a lot cooler and it has a shiny bolt
That one is a joke, right?


See txt in blu.

TMB 1
08-28-2014, 6:47 PM
AR a "peter extension", man you crack me up!!

Mini 14s are great guns. I wouldn't feel unarmed if the SHTF and the only rifle I had was my Mini, not for a second.

Kind of cracks me up too. Should of said so many peters own ARs I hate them.

Mini 14 is great, every serious gun owner should have one, same could be said of the 10/22 and 1911.

crufflers
08-28-2014, 6:51 PM
Mini 14 is great, every serious gun owner should have one, same could be said of the 10/22 and 1911.

It was my first semi-auto rifle that wasn't a 10/22 :)

Two down... and I pick up my first 1911 next Friday, so I guess I am done ;)

bsg
08-28-2014, 7:07 PM
i like the Mini 14. if i lived outside of california, the Mini 14's practicality would not be as big a feature as it is to me now. living in california as i do, the issue of inserting a fresh mag is not an issue with the Mini 14.

DOGSPEED
08-28-2014, 7:18 PM
It does not have a flash light, laser, collapsible stock, pistol grip, rail, silencer, twisted barrel. not much to see.:p

Did you get the wood hand installed yet?

Mossy Man
08-28-2014, 7:27 PM
Since everyone seems to be whoring out their Mini pics....

http://i.imgur.com/wIRYrO6.jpg?1

But you guys think I hate minis....

FUBAR
08-28-2014, 7:29 PM
Ruger Mini 14 Model 5820.

http://i939.photobucket.com/albums/ad232/PITT5150/IMAG0222_zps7666a563.jpg (http://s939.photobucket.com/user/PITT5150/media/IMAG0222_zps7666a563.jpg.html)

crufflers
08-28-2014, 7:55 PM
Two words...




A team.


http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g84/cyberpunanie/motivator25319412.jpg (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/cyberpunanie/media/motivator25319412.jpg.html)

Josh3239
08-28-2014, 8:01 PM
What can a AR (10 or 15) do that these ones can't?

Everything. There are no shortage of people running hi caps in their ARs.

NOTABIKER
08-28-2014, 8:09 PM
Did you get the wood hand installed yet?

YES and i love it, completely changed the look and how i feel about the rifle.
i seldom took it out before the wood hand guard now i force myself to leave it home and shoot something else. It took a few hrs to hand fit but the seller in Carolina that makes them did a nice job. He knew my stock was birch and made me a birch hand guard. Now it does look like a MINI 14.

NOTABIKER
08-28-2014, 8:16 PM
Did you get the wood hand installed yet?

YES and i love it, completely changed the look and how i feel about the rifle.
i seldom took it out before the wood hand guard now i force myself to leave it home and shoot something else. It took a few hrs to hand fit but the seller in Carolina that makes them did a nice job. He new my stock was birch and made me a birch hand guard. Now it does look like a MINI 14.
sorry for the double post , i do not know how to remove the second one oooooops

SloChicken
08-28-2014, 8:29 PM
Everything. There are no shortage of people running hi caps in their ARs.

back to those silly kydex wraps and monsterman and hammerhead grips again.

I know, I have them on a few of my rifles.

It is nice to have a few rifles that don't need them though. Gotta admit.

crufflers
08-28-2014, 8:29 PM
it has become such a poser, d**k extension i hate them. nothing but a pissing contest gun to me.Whatever short comings the mini has mean nothing to me.

Funny. Outside the gun culture, any gun is a d***K extension. Within the gun community, an tactical AR is a d***k extension.

The mag issue WAS definitely more than a small annoyance to be quite honest. I spent my early Mini-14 shooting days using 5 rounders and RAMLINE 30 rounders that functioned fine but could have been shattered with a boot stomp. I had a pretty big collection of worthless USA and weird gunshow steel mags. Ruger Sr. was anti hicaps and if you could find factory 30 round mags, they were $100 plus which was a lot back then. I was happy to find those brittle Ramlines. I still have those and none ever broke on me.

An AR shooter who was around in the 90's etc... might have twenty or thirty USGI contract mags they picked up cheap legally. People with mini's more often have a dozen crappy ones and four or five decent ones and maybe a few factory twenties if they are lucky.

I wouldn't sell mine. I have been offered way too much for it back when everything was scarce.

I am not buying a new series Mini either. I did give my FFL the go ahead to order a SU-16CA he located for me today though, so the mag issue is real at least to me.

DOGSPEED
08-28-2014, 9:02 PM
YES and i love it, completely changed the look and how i feel about the rifle.
i seldom took it out before the wood hand guard now i force myself to leave it home and shoot something else. It took a few hrs to hand fit but the seller in Carolina that makes them did a nice job. He new my stock was birch and made me a birch hand guard. Now it does look like a MINI 14.
sorry for the double post , i do not know how to remove the second one oooooops

If that's not a perfect reason to post pics, I don't know what is.;)

RNE228
08-29-2014, 8:14 AM
- So I could go featureless with a Browning BAR... Of which both the BAR and Mini look cooler than the AR(have m4 AR, it's great, but it does not look that "special")
- Options for Mini accuracy are out there. If go go whole hog for accuracy, you're gonna put plenty of money in to an AR too.
- The scope ring set for the Ruger rifle platform is great. I am not a big Ruger fan, but that is a nice, secure ring system. And very repeatable when remove/reinstall scope.
- Not everyone wants or needs to bling out thier rifle. I keep my AR basic. I like the basic simplicity of the Mini-14; clean lines, nice solid rifle
- Have seen magazine issues brought up about AR's too.

Some people like different stuff. I happen to like both AR and Mini-14. I also like the Reminton pump rifles. OMG!

It would be a real vanilla world if everyone only liked one rifle, one truck, one...

On the other side, the gas system dumping dirty stuff in to the action of the AR sucks. So does the silly charge handle setup. And that forward asist? Mini trumps the AR on those 100%

you've been here long enough to know the answers
i can go featureless on my AR and do the same thing
i get more accuracy out of my AR than any mini ever will
my AR doesn't have proprietary scope mounts/rings
my AR isn't cast
i can customize my AR however i want
oh and i can find magazines that feed reliably and they aren't proprietary
my AR looks a lot cooler and it has a shiny bolt

Click Boom
08-29-2014, 3:17 PM
See txt in blu.

Damn, thems be some expensive upgrades to get the mini shooting as well as an AR! If it can?

SloChicken
08-29-2014, 3:22 PM
Damn, thems be some expensive upgrades to get the mini shooting as well as an AR! If it can?

oh, they can. Quite a few of my friends while in Colorado were using Accuracy systems rifles. They are definitely sub moa rifles, and the action, fitment, and basically everything about their rifles is top notch.

You don't need to go that big and there are plenty of options much as folks do with their ARs.
Most of us that are trying to make Sub MOA ARs are spending about the same, if not more.
AR barrels run from about $200-800 for custom match quality barrels.
AR triggers run about $200. Bolts and BCGs, $200-300.

See where I am going with this?

But I am wise to you at this point, I think you just like to kick over the apple cart for the sheer pleasure of it.

Mossy Man
08-29-2014, 3:29 PM
oh, they can. Quite a few of my friends while in Colorado were using Accuracy systems rifles. They are definitely sub moa rifles, and the action, fitment, and basically everything about their rifles is top notch.

You don't need to go that big and there are plenty of options much as folks do with their ARs.
Most of us that are trying to make Sub MOA ARs are spending about the same, if not more.
AR barrels run from about $200-800 for custom match quality barrels.
AR triggers run about $200. Bolts and BCGs, $200-300.

See where I am going with this?

But I am wise to you at this point, I think you just like to kick over the apple cart for the sheer pleasure of it.

Cousin bought an RRA R3 R3 upper for $650 with a cheap $200 lower with a home polish Milspec trigger.

Shoots sub MOA all day (advertised as 3/4).

Point is that it costs a decent bill to make a mini shoot as good as a generic milspec AR, but its easy to find cheap accuracy in an AR.

The same out of a mini is gonna cost a LOT more than the purpose built cost of $650 of the RRA R3 +$250 lower

Click Boom
08-29-2014, 3:43 PM
oh, they can. Quite a few of my friends while in Colorado were using Accuracy systems rifles. They are definitely sub moa rifles, and the action, fitment, and basically everything about their rifles is top notch.

You don't need to go that big and there are plenty of options much as folks do with their ARs.
Most of us that are trying to make Sub MOA ARs are spending about the same, if not more.
AR barrels run from about $200-800 for custom match quality barrels.
AR triggers run about $200. Bolts and BCGs, $200-300.

See where I am going with this?

But I am wise to you at this point, I think you just like to kick over the apple cart for the sheer pleasure of it.

How much does one of those fully kitted out mini's cost though? 1500? more?

You can get a BCM upper for a third of that.

SloChicken
08-29-2014, 3:46 PM
How much does one of those fully kitted out mini's cost though? 1500? more?

You can get a BCM upper for a third of that.

and that is only 1/2 of a rifle.

And that is a mass produced basic quality rifle - nothing special about BCM except for their "tactical" name, and the free hat and sticker you get with each purchase.

Failing to see what your point is here.

SloChicken
08-29-2014, 3:49 PM
Cousin bought an RRA R3 R3 upper for $650 with a cheap $200 lower with a home polish Milspec trigger.

Shoots sub MOA all day (advertised as 3/4).

Point is that it costs a decent bill to make a mini shoot as good as a generic milspec AR, but its easy to find cheap accuracy in an AR.

The same out of a mini is gonna cost a LOT more than the purpose built cost of $650 of the RRA R3 +$250 lower

no, a mini does shoot as good as a generic mil-spec AR. Right out of the box.

Dollar for dollar they perform about the same.

this conversation, like the last one will go on forever, with no resolution to come from it.

It does give me something to read, and discuss in between calls.
I am getting paid as we speak to read and write this drivel.

At least this conversation is worth something ...

wxl
08-29-2014, 4:20 PM
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I purchased a Stainless Mini 14 in 1987, a 183 series with the skinny barrel with one of the last 1 in 10 twist. I didn’t shoot a lot back then due to the cost of ammo, but it didn’t seem as accurate as my 10/22. After I started reloading I began to shoot the Mini a lot more. I did some research and learned to accurize the Mini for about $150. When my kids got old enough, I took them out shooting and my 16 year old daughter loved it especially the Mini. She was hitting the 300 yd 18" gong 10 for 10 resting on a gun bag with the factory iron sights. When it came time to buy another 223 rifle, I read all the reviews I could find on the new Mini and they were all very positive. But when I started reading the gun forums about the Mini I could not believe all the love and hate out there for this gun. Any discussion that started about the Mini 14 was immediately inundated with “get rid of the POS and buy an AR”. It was painful trying to get some information on the Mini through all the back and forth of hate and love. I then decided to go to 3 carbine classes and in all 3 about 20% of the AR's were having problems. About 80% of them ran flawlessly and my Mini never skipped a beat. Based on my research and the experience I had in the classes, I decided to buy a new Mini 14 Mod 5820 with the heavy 16" barrel. With the new Mini and iron sights my daughter and I can both hit the 400yd 18"X24" plate at Angeles 10 for 10. Here is my take on the Mini hating AR crowd (not all AR owners, some are quite reasonable and intelligent).

“The Mini is a POS because it only takes proprietary mags and they cost over $30 each” immediately followed by “the other thing I love about the AR is you can hang about $1000 worth of stuff off the rails”. Oh no, I just realized my Glock mags won’t fit in my Baretta 92F, and my Baretta mags won’t fit in my Walther PPK, and my Walther mags won’t fit in my Browning Hi-power, and my Browning mags won’t fit in my 1911, and my 1911 mags won’t fit in my Browning 380 auto. OH NO, all my guns are POS because the mags are proprietary.

“The Mini is not mil-spec and the US military using it makes the AR the best”. Isn’t this the same military that gave our soldiers single shot trap door Springfields when the Indians had Henry and Winchester repeating rifles because the repeaters were too expensive to give to our soldiers at Little Big Horn. Is this the same military that made the M-1 Garand a 8 shot clip fed gun instead of a box magazine, because it would save on ammo costs. Is this the same military that cut cost by not putting in chromed receivers, used dirty powder, and didn’t issued cleaning kits for the M-16 in order to save money? Milspec toilet seats that are 1 inch wider than standard and costs 100 times more are much better than non-Milspec ones.

“Why spend the time and effort to modify the Mini to make it shoot as accurately as an AR by putting a strut on it ($80+15 minutes), a trigger job (1 hour or $50, re-torque the gas block (30 min), bed the stock (1 hour) Instead of going through all that trouble might as well buy an AR”. Followed immediately by you can build your own AR, it only takes 6 months to a year to collect all the parts you need on sale and you can build one for $600-$1000. It’s no trouble at all building a AR versus the 2-3 hours you need to accurize an old Mini. Never mind that all the accuracy issues were eliminated 9 years ago when they redesigned the Mini and retooled the factory in 2005.

“Another thing I love about the AR is that it is a light weight easy handling carbine”. “And if you want to make it a tack driver, you can change to the longer barrel, better yet get the heavy target barrel, add a scope, a laser, a flash light, a Red dot sight and you really have a gun that can do anything. Of course it now weighs 15 lbs”. You can't accessorize the Mini like an AR, but of course you would be hard pressed to find a Mini that weighs more than 8 lbs.

“The Mini is overpriced ($650 plus tax, shipping, and DROS for my last one), for that you can get an AR (low end)”. But when you start talking about performance they always talk about the mid to high end AR’s ($1000-$1500). Never apples to apples.

"The AR is better because you can find parts everywhere to repair it". I wished my Mini broke more often so that there be more parts available. That way my grandchildren could use them when the Mini finally breaks. Oh, the unwritten life time warranty that Ruger is famous for has no value to me because I've never had to send anything back for repairs.

“AR’s are just as reliable as Mini’s if you clean it properly, if you lube it, if you don’t over lube it, if you feed it good brass ammo, if you don’t feed it lacquered ammo, if you don’t feed it under power light loads, if you replace all the parts that break (it so easy to repair), if you don’t build it from cheap parts, etc...

Mini owners only say one thing “It always goes bang”.

I only ask two things from a gun, when I pull the trigger it goes bang and it should be more accurate than me. The Mini meets these two criteria better than any gun I own and if my life or my family's life depends on it, I will grab the Mini first. Oh, by the way all my 27 year old 20 rd, 30 rd, and 40 rd mags are all still working and fits my new Mini.

golfish
08-29-2014, 4:21 PM
It does not have a flash light, laser, collapsible stock, pistol grip, rail, silencer, twisted barrel. not much to see.:p

lol, come on man, just admit that you don't know how to post a picture:D

What the hec were we thinking 25 years ago when Western Outdoor news had all those adds for the SKS at 99.99 and the mini 14 for 289.00.

Every week I would tell myself, I'm going to get one of the Mini 14s and I don't want the SKS because its cheap :).....

Mossy Man
08-29-2014, 4:23 PM
no, a mini does shoot as good as a generic mil-spec AR. Right out of the box.

Dollar for dollar they perform about the same.

this conversation, like the last one will go on forever, with no resolution to come from it.

It does give me something to read, and discuss in between calls.
I am getting paid as we speak to read and write this drivel.

At least this conversation is worth something ...

How much would it cost to make a mini 14 shoot sub MOA consistently?

Hint: it's going to cost more than the base cost of the $900 RRA R3

Additionally, many cheap DPMS stainless barrels are quite accurate and low cost. They can be had for under $200

Mossy Man
08-29-2014, 4:33 PM
Basically, making a Mini-14 a target gun is like modifying a honda civic for drag racing.

Yes, if you spend enough it might be doable, but you're probably better off using another platform.

On that same token, the Mini 14 makes a great stock honda civic.

SloChicken
08-29-2014, 5:24 PM
Basically, making a Mini-14 a target gun is like modifying a honda civic for drag racing.

Yes, if you spend enough it might be doable, but you're probably better off using another platform.

On that same token, the Mini 14 makes a great stock honda civic.

And this is different from an AR how exactly?

ScottsBad
08-29-2014, 5:27 PM
There's a reason to not love Mini's. They suck. I had one that had a full Accuracy Systems upgrade + trigger work and it still sucked. The ONLY thing going for a Mini is the bazillion spare parts floating around. If you want an ultra-reliable featureless .223 that has the added bonus of using AR mags, then look no further than the Benelli MR1.

I've heard the MR1 is an expensive piece of crap, but everyone has a preference I guess.

I have ARs, Mini-14s and SCARs. Guess what? I like the Mini for what it is, a fairly inexpensive, handy, and reliable farm rifle. It wouldn't be my go-to rifle for SHTF, but if it was all I had I believe I could trust it.

Mossy Man
08-29-2014, 5:45 PM
And this is different from an AR how exactly?

You can build an AR15 with the exact specifications you want with purpose driven parts from the ground up.

You can't do that with a mini.

SloChicken
08-29-2014, 7:07 PM
You can build an AR15 with the exact specifications you want with purpose driven parts from the ground up.

You can't do that with a mini.

Okay, lets see it! Show us how that process with an AR would be different, and better as you infer.

Your explanation is akin to me suggesting that an AR cant use a conventional hunting stock and therefore AR is suck.

Mossy Man
08-29-2014, 7:15 PM
Okay, lets see it! Show us how that process with an AR would be different, and better as you infer.

Your explanation is akin to me suggesting that an AR cant use a conventional hunting stock and therefore AR is suck.

Ok maybe i need to slow down a little bit.

You can buy specific parts, from the receiver up, to achieve a specific purpose (such as accuracy/target rifle) with an AR.

As far as I know, you CANNOT buy a mini14 receiver, and buy specific parts such as bolts, barrels, stocks, etc, and make a purpose build for a mini14.

So my point is, you can make a mini-14 a target gun, but it's going to cost you and it's not what the rifle's intended purpose was (i.e. civic).

Unlike an AR-15, which you can build from the ground up to do exactly what you want it to do for a price that includes only what you want it to include.

TMB 1
08-29-2014, 7:30 PM
Ok maybe i need to slow down a little bit.

You can buy specific parts, from the receiver up, to achieve a specific purpose (such as accuracy/target rifle) with an AR.

As far as I know, you CANNOT buy a mini14 receiver, and buy specific parts such as bolts, barrels, stocks, etc, and make a purpose build for a mini14.

So my point is, you can make a mini-14 a target gun, but it's going to cost you and it's not what the rifle's intended purpose was (i.e. civic).

Unlike an AR-15, which you can build from the ground up to do exactly what you want it to do for a price that includes only what you want it to include.

Why not just buy a Mini Target Rifle?

Mossy Man
08-29-2014, 7:37 PM
Why not just buy a Mini Target Rifle?

it retails for $1200, which is fine, but we were discussing the regular mini 14s and the merit of spending money to make them accurate vs purpose driven AR builds

however the RRA R3 will outshoot it at the same price.

TMB 1
08-29-2014, 8:01 PM
it retails for $1200, which is fine, but we were discussing the regular mini 14s and the merit of spending money to make them accurate vs purpose driven AR builds

however the RRA R3 will outshoot it at the same price.

I always thought the Mini was accurate. You can spend some to make the older Minis more accurate. I don't think it's necessary with newer Minis or the Target model.
You don't sound like you like your Mini you just tolerate it. Sounds like your love is the AR. After all this is the "how about some Mini 14 love" thread not the "I have a Mini but the AR is so much better" thread.

Loopwell
08-29-2014, 8:01 PM
This thread makes me want to take out my 581 series this weekend. Everyone is gonna be jealous.

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Mossy Man
08-29-2014, 8:06 PM
I always thought the Mini was accurate. You can spend some to make the older Minis more accurate. I don't think it's necessary with newer Minis or the Target model.
You don't sound like you like your Mini you just tolerate it. Sounds like your love is the AR. After all this is the "how about some Mini 14 love" thread not the "I have a Mini but the AR is so much better" thread.

I posted my mini, and explained I like it.

But the pro mini 14 threads have the "my PTAC shoots 1 MOA" vibe to them, and want to bring it down to reality.

Click Boom
08-29-2014, 8:24 PM
and that is only 1/2 of a rifle.

And that is a mass produced basic quality rifle - nothing special about BCM except for their "tactical" name, and the free hat and sticker you get with each purchase.

Failing to see what your point is here.

im not a bcm fanboy, and the other parts of the rifle are cheap. I dont even own any bcm stuff. It was just an example.

If you love mini's, i'm not one to tell you to do otherwise. I just like to (friendly) rag on mini fans because my college roommate had one that he worshiped like the holy grail and it printed shotgun patterns.

So, I guess my point, if you needed clarification, was that you can build an AR for a third (or fourth?) of the price of one of those super minis that will shoot as well or better. That is all. If you like building the fancy minis and they shoot well for you, good for u.

SloChicken
08-29-2014, 11:38 PM
im not a bcm fanboy, and the other parts of the rifle are cheap. I dont even own any bcm stuff. It was just an example.

If you love mini's, i'm not one to tell you to do otherwise. I just like to (friendly) rag on mini fans because my college roommate had one that he worshiped like the holy grail and it printed shotgun patterns.

So, I guess my point, if you needed clarification, was that you can build an AR for a third (or fourth?) of the price of one of those super minis that will shoot as well or better. That is all. If you like building the fancy minis and they shoot well for you, good for u.


I am not a fanboy of any rifle - or better said, I like most rifles.

But on point here. I used a mini 30 (186) for more than 10 years when I was in Colorado as a youngster. It did me fine and brought home many antelope and mulies. And killed the crap out of cans, varmints, rocks, and whatever I could afford ammo to shoot.
It was quite satisfactorily accurate for those uses, and potent enough to down 150lb plus deer with regularity. I got a few antelope at good distance with that little rifle too.

So, all the bench racing aside. The Mini I owned worked very well for a very long time. It was plenty accurate.

Did I have a nifty little picture of a target to post up my MOA? No. Did it matter? No.

So, my point is, it is just a rifle. Use it for what it was intended, or try to make something out of it that it is not, and be restrained from its actual use by your own choice, or whatever breeds the angst - and then come on the web and ***** about it.
On that point. Mossy Man, don't take it the wrong way, but the way you love your mini reminds me of a guy that tells his wife that he loves her, all the while smacking her around.
Not that bad of course. I hope you get the idea. I think you would be well served reach deep and buy a tech sight for your mini and learn to shoot it - I mean, really learn that one rifle. I am sure you will like it better after a few 'yotes and some time in the hills - they are great little rifles, and there is no real substitute out there. Maybe a M1 Carbine, but other than that, not much.

Please understand, I have 5 ARs of differing configurations, among other .308 battle rifles, German PCCs, 375 H&Hs, and other fancy "tactified" items. Some are more accurate. Others that many love, have less accuracy (my FAL for instance).

Will a M1A EBR have better "performance numbers" than my Winchester Model 70, also in .308? Probably.
Will that matter on a hunt? not one bit. .



I guess my point is. Give the brunette a try. She is every bit as good as ol' blondie. Just have to learn what she does best. Even if you have to buy her a set of bolt ons.

Or you can just ***** about the way she looks,

your choice.

Click Boom
08-30-2014, 12:27 AM
lmao bolt ons

SloChicken
08-30-2014, 1:31 AM
lmao bolt ons

Sheeeit. you and your avatar should understand better than most.

PS

The way is see it, if I can feel 'em, they're real ...

davidb
08-30-2014, 2:27 AM
wxl...AR mags are definitely not proprietary, there are 55+ non ar/m16/m4 type rifles that use AR (STANAG) magazines...now compatability with certain mags designed specifically for the AR is a different story

Click Boom
08-30-2014, 2:50 AM
If you can touch them, they're definitely real.

Grumpyoldretiredcop
08-30-2014, 11:09 AM
I've had three Minis, a 180, 181 and IIRC a 182. All were totally reliable even with the crappy 10 round no-name mags that were all I could get once I adjusted the feed lips with an adjustable wrench and a lot of :cuss: ... The sights on the 180 worked fine, not so much on the others as I recall. None of them would hold a dinner plate at 100 yards with a 5 round group.

How many Minis do I have now? None. I just couldn't get past the lack of accuracy. Now that Ruger has finally done something to address that, and with the bolt-on accuracy aids available (yes, I said bolt-ons lol), and living in a free state where truck guns are not a bad thing, I've been considering giving the Mini one more try. I think I will have to find one to shoot before I sink my cash into it, though.

durandal
08-30-2014, 12:26 PM
Windage and elevation adjustable Tech sights are too high for the mini. They require installing a new front sight (which doesnt exist)


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Mossy Man
08-30-2014, 12:34 PM
Windage and elevation adjustable Tech sights are too high for the mini. They require installing a new front sight (which doesnt exist)


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I added the Mo-Reaper muzzle brake/SKS style ball post with a Williams WGRS rear sight.

They are a GREAT irons combo. I live the front hooded circle and the rear peep sight works perfectly together. I wish my AR sights were so good.

TMB 1
08-30-2014, 2:57 PM
Windage and elevation adjustable Tech sights are too high for the mini. They require installing a new front sight (which doesnt exist)


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Which series Mini are they too high for?

G21Shooter
08-30-2014, 5:32 PM
Okay, lets see it! Show us how that process with an AR would be different, and better as you infer.

Your explanation is akin to me suggesting that an AR cant use a conventional hunting stock and therefore AR is suck.

Dude, two very differently designed guns. The only thing they have in common is they chamber .223 and are semi auto, thats it.

With the Mini you can't swap barrels at home unless your a experienced gun smith. Also the barrel on the Mini is not and cannot be truly free floated and the aggressive gas piston action also wreaks havoc on accuracy.

The Mini 14 is a good gun for a lot of things but building into a long range precision rifle easily is NOT one of them.

durandal
08-30-2014, 6:20 PM
Which series Mini are they too high for?


Ranch rifle generation


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SloChicken
08-30-2014, 7:06 PM
[QUOTE=durandal;14776543]Windage and elevation adjustable Tech sights are too high for the mini. They require installing a new front sight (which doesnt exist)
QUOTE]

Um, no, they don't.

I have a tech sights rear sight on my 196 and it is fine.

Furthermore it is quite apparent they are at the same height in the pictures on tech sights web page.

see here.
http://www.tech-sights.com/mini14.htm

SloChicken
08-30-2014, 7:15 PM
Dude, two very differently designed guns. The only thing they have in common is they chamber .223 and are semi auto, thats it.

With the Mini you can't swap barrels at home unless your a experienced gun smith. Also the barrel on the Mini is not and cannot be truly free floated and the aggressive gas piston action also wreaks havoc on accuracy.

The Mini 14 is a good gun for a lot of things but building into a long range precision rifle easily is NOT one of them.

Changing the recoil spring and using a properly ported/sized gas bushing, or an adjustable gas block makes all the difference.

But you are right. Minis are not legos, and as such some have trouble modifying/"tactifying" them (Why, I am not sure ...), and then complain. But a barrel swap on a mini is about the same as most rifles out there. It needs to be headspaced again. Most AR shooters just take it for granted that the manufacturer has done that for them. I would suggest it is a rare thing that
the average AR "gunsmith" knows what go/no go, or field gauges are, let alone actually own them.

So yes, ARs are easier to assemble, and they are nice and accurate. Matter of fact, I just dropped a CMC trigger in my carbine today (thanks Primary Arms). took all of 5 minutes.
Then again, removing and replacing a mini or m1a trigger group takes about 5 seconds.
so I see what you mean about mini's being labor intensive ... not.

that said,
Dropping my M1A into a SAGE chassis took closer to an hour, between pulling the op rod guide, and disassembling the gas system. Some are up to the task, others not so much.

If you want it, you can do it.

Or you can spread FUD and hate all you please. Makes no difference to me.
It happens over and over.

Mossy Man
08-30-2014, 7:20 PM
Changing the recoil spring and using a properly ported/sized gas bushing, or an adjustable gas block makes all the difference.

But you are right. Minis are not legos, and as such some have trouble modifying/"tactifying" them (Why, I am not sure ...), and then complain. But a barrel swap on a mini is about the same as most rifles out there. It needs to be headspaced again. Most AR shooters just take it for granted that the manufacturer has done that for them. I would suggest it is a rare thing that
the average AR "gunsmith" knows what go/no go, or field gauges are, let alone actually own them.

So yes, ARs are easier to assemble, and they are nice and accurate. Matter of fact, I just dropped a CMC trigger in my carbine today (thanks Primary Arms). took all of 5 minutes.
Then again, removing and replacing a mini or m1a trigger group takes about 5 seconds.
so I see what you mean about mini's being labor intensive ... not.

that said,
Dropping my M1A into a SAGE chassis took closer to an hour, between pulling the op rod guide, and disassembling the gas system. Some are up to the task, others not so much.

If you want it, you can do it.

Or you can spread FUD and hate all you please. Makes no difference to me.
It happens over and over.

I wouldn't call it FUD.

Your own post states that many AR guys assemble their own builds with little to no experience where the Mini14 needs to be headspaced.

In that respect, G21Shooter is correct. It's not easy to do unless you're an experienced gunsmith, which you've stated most AR guys are not.

TMB 1
08-30-2014, 7:53 PM
I wouldn't call it FUD.

Your own post states that many AR guys assemble their own builds with little to no experience where the Mini14 needs to be headspaced.

In that respect, G21Shooter is correct. It's not easy to do unless you're an experienced gunsmith, which you've stated most AR guys are not.

If you put a new barrel on your AR, you don't have to headspace/check headspace?

Mossy Man
08-30-2014, 9:39 PM
If you put a new barrel on your AR, you don't have to headspace/check headspace?

You should, but I guarantee most people don't, and it works most of the time.

smle-man
01-09-2015, 9:52 PM
French Gendarmes with full auto Mini 14s seen over the last several days. The full auto switch is at the back of the receiver heel. The M1 carbine type sling mount, rubber butt pad and checkered grip and forearm are interesting. Guess they didn't hear that their Minis are inaccurate junk.



http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/smle-man/frenchmini14_zps13931fe7.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/smle-man/frenchmini142_zps6fb0ae1c.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/smle-man/frenchmini141_zps3e7f631b.jpg

I Swan
01-10-2015, 10:31 AM
Oh hell, mentioning the French and them issuing a Mini 14 will really bring out the armchair commandos. An interesting thing is there was some Minis made in 222 for the French civilian market. As for my own preferences I've tried to like the Mini.

I've had too many issues with them and the magazines over the years I doubt I'll buy one again even a newer or improved one. I do like the stainless construction on some and the PC look actually appeals to me. Thee guns have too many quirks like hard to mount optics to regular ones, Mini 30's being known for not being intended for cheap steel case ammo,stuff like that turns me off.

TMB 1
01-10-2015, 11:02 AM
Oh hell, mentioning the French and them issuing a Mini 14 will really bring out the armchair commandos. An interesting thing is there was some Minis made in 222 for the French civilian market. As for my own preferences I've tried to like the Mini.

I've had too many issues with them and the magazines over the years I doubt I'll buy one again even a newer or improved one. I do like the stainless construction on some and the PC look actually appeals to me. Thee guns have too many quirks like hard to mount optics to regular ones, Mini 30's being known for not being intended for cheap steel case ammo,stuff like that turns me off.

It did in this thread http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1025478

roushstage2
01-10-2015, 6:56 PM
Since everyone seems to be whoring out their Mini pics....

http://i.imgur.com/wIRYrO6.jpg?1

But you guys think I hate minis....

What coating is that on the barrel, and did you do it or did a place in Sac? I bought a SS Mini since it was all the store had, but would have preferred a blued Mini, so I'd like to add a little more black to it. I think that looks good! That and I want to get the barrel threaded.

FiveSeven
01-10-2015, 7:06 PM
..........Guess they didn't hear that their Minis are inaccurate junk.

That's because they never got to fire them.

Rickrock1
01-10-2015, 7:12 PM
I have come to love my 2002 thin barrel mini 14. seems the retail price and many sharp shooters concern over not being the target rifle some want hurts its popularity. plenty of very nice used mini 14s out their for around 500-600 dollars. i made my own home made barrel strut for my mini for under 20 dollars.
I only did it for something to do. for most shooting it does not matter. These mini 14s are so dang handy and reliable. most people like the AR better but that does not mean their is not room for mini 14s.

Biker I'm with you 110% pal. The Mini 14 is my go to ready rifle. No lame bb like the AR that I also happen to own and reliable and most trustworthy.
I would love to see your strut.

Mini 14's rule

roger1022
01-10-2015, 7:15 PM
i'll play :)

my new-to-me mini14 821 series i got from a fellow cal gunner!

http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/javendan/Boom/RugerMini14_zps4bae12db.jpg (http://s716.photobucket.com/user/javendan/media/Boom/RugerMini14_zps4bae12db.jpg.html)

maxpedition rolly polly dump bag with maxpedition double grenade pounches for the 10rnd mags

http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/javendan/Boom/20140806_190723_zpsvbmh7yos.jpg (http://s716.photobucket.com/user/javendan/media/Boom/20140806_190723_zpsvbmh7yos.jpg.html)

http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/javendan/Boom/20140806_190907_zpsbfgvkslq.jpg (http://s716.photobucket.com/user/javendan/media/Boom/20140806_190907_zpsbfgvkslq.jpg.html)

i love this rifle!!!

joel

That is an awesome setup! 4 10 rd mags per double grenade pouch = :D

JAvendan
01-10-2015, 7:20 PM
I'm glad you like it... I need a battle belt NOW!

Joel



That is an awesome setup! 4 10 rd mags per double grenade pouch = :D

AGFNTB
01-10-2015, 7:35 PM
My 187 series Mini-14 that I've had since 1985 is still one of my favorite guns to shoot. I did add some bolt-ons to make it even better. While it may not shoot a 1" group at 600 yards, I can hit steel out that far and that is good enough for me.

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n590/AGFNTB/Public/Forums/20140901_093215.jpg

roger1022
01-10-2015, 7:51 PM
My 187 series Mini-14 that I've had since 1985 is still one of my favorite guns to shoot. I did add some bolt-ons to make it even better. While it may not shoot a 1" group at 600 yards, I can hit steel out that far and that is good enough for me.

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n590/AGFNTB/Public/Forums/20140901_093215.jpg

Nice! Just curious on what scope, muzzle break (with front sight?) and bipod mount you have on there?

mif_slim
01-10-2015, 7:56 PM
French Gendarmes with full auto Mini 14s seen over the last several days. The full auto switch is at the back of the receiver heel. The M1 carbine type sling mount, rubber butt pad and checkered grip and forearm are interesting. Guess they didn't hear that their Minis are inaccurate junk.



http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/smle-man/frenchmini14_zps13931fe7.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/smle-man/frenchmini142_zps6fb0ae1c.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/smle-man/frenchmini141_zps3e7f631b.jpg


This is why the hostages are dead. :p

AGFNTB
01-10-2015, 8:21 PM
Nice! Just curious on what scope, muzzle break (with front sight?) and bipod mount you have on there?

The bipod mount is my own creation. I added a small piece of rail that was from my wife's DDM4 to the underside of the stock.
I have also added the following:
Mo-Reaper Muzzle Brake with sight (http://sunfloweroutdoorsports.com/Mo-Reaper-Muzzle-Brake-for-Ruger-Mini-REFS.htm)
Accu-strut SOCOM barrel strut (http://www.accu-strut.com/pages/more%20info_socom.htm)
ASI Adjustable Gas block (http://www.mini14adjustablegasblock.com/)
Primary Arms 1-6X scope (https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_1_6X_Scope_with_Patented_ACSS_Reticle _p/paps1-6x.htm)

I Swan
01-10-2015, 8:27 PM
One of the French cops looks like my dad! On an unrelated note France once had the draft. I served with a guy in the USN that had previously served in the French Army. Of course in boot camp he got teased about that a little. Are the French Mini 14's full auto or 3rd burst?

Manurhin used to have a sort of connection with Ruger the MR88 revolver if I remember correctly was a mix of Manurhin revolver and Ruger Security Six.

Sunday
01-11-2015, 7:13 AM
The Mini 14 is a handy rifle. guns are tools not something to fondle instead of your Penis.

bonesurf
01-11-2015, 7:57 AM
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One of my favorites. Goes bang every time. I changed out the gas thingy so that it doesn't spit the brass into the next universe. It is "steel target" accurate. Dunno why everyone here seems to think they are the next American sniper. I'm not.

Of note I got rid of the acu strut. Seemed to make things worse not better. Also changed from the Tri Power to a PA 1-6 as my eyes like magnification now


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