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Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck
04-21-2008, 6:15 PM
Hello All,

A local retailer has a single Lee-Enfield No. 4 (sorry, I don't know Mk. A from Mk. B.) that's going for $259. I remember when they were less than $100. :(

Is this in any way a reasonable price--should I go for it? Externally, it appears to be in very good condition. The wood isn't anything to brag about, but there are no noticeable cracks. The metal parts seem to be covered in black paint which covers over 90% of the metal parts by my estimate.

I've wanted a SMLE for some time, but never could justify getting one with .303 availability so limited. Now, it appears that ship has sailed and this seems to be my last chance at getting a Lee-Enfield of any sort.

Thank you very much in advance for any response.

dfletcher
04-21-2008, 6:36 PM
Hello All,

A local retailer has a single Lee-Enfield No. 4 (sorry, I don't know Mk. A from Mk. B.) that's going for $259. I remember when they were less than $100. :(

Is this in any way a reasonable price--should I go for it? Externally, it appears to be in very good condition. The wood isn't anything to brag about, but there are no noticeable cracks. The metal parts seem to be covered in black paint which covers over 90% of the metal parts by my estimate.

I've wanted a SMLE for some time, but never could justify getting one with .303 availability so limited. Now, it appears that ship has sailed and this seems to be my last chance at getting a Lee-Enfield of any sort.

Thank you very much in advance for any response.

Why not get an SMLE Ishapore in 7.62? They're anywhere from $150.00 to $250.00, but of course based on Mk III.

bobfried
04-21-2008, 7:30 PM
Yeah that's the going rate nowadays on a decent condition No.4 with a clean condition Mk.2 going into the $500+ range.

I remember the days of sub-$100 in the wrapper Enfield's, those days are long gone. It is however very shocking by the general increase in C&R rifles about a year ago. Everything I owned literally doubled in value within a 3 months period, with a few rifles triple and quadroupling in value. It's bad for you having to come in the market a year too late, but it's also good because prices have once again stablize and begin to go down. Note that they will never go down to what they were, those days are long gone.

Nodda Duma
04-21-2008, 8:25 PM
Yeah that's the going rate nowadays on a decent condition No.4 with a clean condition Mk.2 going into the $500+ range.

I remember the days of sub-$100 in the wrapper Enfield's, those days are long gone. It is however very shocking by the general increase in C&R rifles about a year ago. Everything I owned literally doubled in value within a 3 months period, with a few rifles triple and quadroupling in value. It's bad for you having to come in the market a year too late, but it's also good because prices have once again stablize and begin to go down. Note that they will never go down to what they were, those days are long gone.

I figure the rising prices means all the younger kids who have been playing games like Medal of Honor or Call of Duty are getting into collecting the real thing :) At least, that's what got me started into milsurps!

-Jason

Pthfndr
04-21-2008, 10:03 PM
If the bore looks good that's a fair price, based on the rest of your description.

This guy http://www.bdlltd.com/mil_sale.htm is on the high end, but he's kind of the Empire Arms for British rifles. Knows his stuff and he's good to deal with (if you have a C&R).

Compare his pics and prices to what you looked at.

elSquid
04-21-2008, 10:24 PM
I have seen a few Enfields converted to 9mm and, now those would be a lot of fun and I think they would be worth the mark-up cost of $250-plus

Or a 7.62x39 Enfield, like these:

http://www.specialinterestarms.com/MVC-186S.JPGhttp://www.specialinterestarms.com/MVC-350E.JPG

http://www.specialinterestarms.com/

-- Michael

Quiet
04-21-2008, 11:19 PM
http://www.specialinterestarms.com/MVC-349E.JPG
Oooo... Me want 7.62x39mm Enfield. :drool5:

Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck
04-22-2008, 7:00 PM
Why not get an SMLE Ishapore in 7.62? They're anywhere from $150.00 to $250.00, but of course based on Mk III.

Actually, I think the SMLE looks better (although I prefer the magazine shape of the .303 Lee-Enfields), and I've wanted to get an Ishapore 2A or 2A1 for some time. However, I thought their stock dried up four years ago--when I first started buying firearms. I was looking around for one, but could only find them online. At that time I was unwilling to buy indirectly from an online vendor, and no local gunshops had one (actually one did, but it was sold by the time I called).

bobfried, Nodda Duma, and Pthfndr-I'm sad to hear that this is normal. I really thought it was just the store trying to gouge me. I don't understand the price skyrocketing in 2007. I thought Mosins and Lee-Enfields were the most produced military rifles in the world. Since Mosins are still cheap, I thought Enfields would be too. I rrreeeaaalllyyy wish I had gotten an Enfield instead of a MN 91/30 back in the day.

Massafeff-I have a Yugo 24/47, but I've never really cared for Mausers. I bought it mostly for the cheap ammo and because I just wanted to buy a rifle of some sort for my first gun (I was having trouble tracking down an SKS).

elSquid and Quiet-I'm not a purist nut, but something about looking at those pics makes me sad. To each his own, though, I guess.:)

I guess at least these guys are still making Lee-Enfields, so I might be able to pick up something later on down the road.
http://www.australianinternationalarms.com.au/
I can't access the site because they are having bandwidth problems, but from what I remember, their products look like a semi-viable alternative. I would prefer a genuine battle rifle, though.

elSquid
04-22-2008, 7:55 PM
elSquid and Quiet-I'm not a purist nut, but something about looking at those pics makes me sad. To each his own, though, I guess.:)

I just like Enfields, so an Enfield in 7.62x39 - especially a carbine - fills my heart with joy. :)



I guess at least these guys are still making Lee-Enfields, so I might be able to pick up something later on down the road.
http://www.australianinternationalarms.com.au/
I can't access the site because they are having bandwidth problems, but from what I remember, their products look like a semi-viable alternative. I would prefer a genuine battle rifle, though.

If I could get one of these, I would. Not for import, sadly.

They can be bought in Canuckistan, though (http://www.marstar.ca/gf-AIA/index.shtm).

-- Michael

dfletcher
04-22-2008, 9:45 PM
I've always considered the Enfields ugly as hell - and they are compared to conventional 3 or 5 shot integral mag rifles. But still, I've got an Ishapore and a Navy Arms carbine rework in 45/70 and I just love shooting them. Especially the Ishapore, a great break from serious target work and just shooting for fun and decent groups.

Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck
04-22-2008, 10:17 PM
I just like Enfields, so an Enfield in 7.62x39 - especially a carbine - fills my heart with joy. :)




If I could get one of these, I would. Not for import, sadly.

They can be bought in Canuckistan, though (http://www.marstar.ca/gf-AIA/index.shtm).

-- Michael


That seriously bums me out. What's the deal? It's not like they're Chicoms or anything.

Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck
04-22-2008, 10:19 PM
I've always considered the Enfields ugly as hell - and they are compared to conventional 3 or 5 shot integral mag rifles. But still, I've got an Ishapore and a Navy Arms carbine rework in 45/70 and I just love shooting them. Especially the Ishapore, a great break from serious target work and just shooting for fun and decent groups.

It's funny how things are viewed by different people. I consider the SMLE (followed by the No. 4) to be the best looking military bolt action rifle around.

Mssr. Eleganté
04-23-2008, 5:48 AM
That seriously bums me out. What's the deal? It's not like they're Chicoms or anything.

They're Vietcoms, so it's kind of like they are Chicoms.

AngelDecoys
04-23-2008, 6:10 AM
It's funny how things are viewed by different people. I consider the SMLE (followed by the No. 4) to be the best looking military bolt action rifle around.

At the price you found it, I'd pick it up. As others have suggested it can be rebuilt in .45, or 7.62x39. I'd also heard of 45/70, and .223 conversions being fairly common. If you do go for an Ishy .308, do be sure to have a gunsmith look it over as their have been reports of head space issues, recievers blowing up, etc. I read one account recently of some poor guy who had the mag blow out 'downward' causing damage. Whether I believe it, or you belive it (I have my doubts), best to have a gunsmith look it over just to be sure.

More on Ishy (http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=283&highlight=ishapore+enfield) here. It looks like most problems people have had with the Ishy is using .308 instead of Nato surplus. Also consider the Ishy Enfield has a 12 round mag so not can get in CA anyway unless you want to fuss with the mag.

ETA - All that above on the ishy and the link might be bunk as well. I really don't know what to think about them. Here's a calgun (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=332797) thread on it. And one from Milsurplus (http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting/oddshot2/index.asp).

The really cheap surplus .303 is long gone so that's a consideration as well. (You'll also need to be careful on types of .303 ammo. Machinegun .303 will not be the same for the Enfield. Luckily head stamp is different). If you pick one up, enjoy restoring it. I'm in the middle of restoring one myself.

Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck
04-24-2008, 7:17 PM
They're Vietcoms, so it's kind of like they are Chicoms.

How are Australians Vietcoms?

Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck
04-24-2008, 7:20 PM
At the price you found it, I'd pick it up. As others have suggested it can be rebuilt in .45, or 7.62x39. I'd also heard of 45/70, and .223 conversions being fairly common. If you do go for an Ishy .308, do be sure to have a gunsmith look it over as their have been reports of head space issues, recievers blowing up, etc. I read one account recently of some poor guy who had the mag blow out 'downward' causing damage. Whether I believe it, or you belive it (I have my doubts), best to have a gunsmith look it over just to be sure.

More on Ishy (http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=283&highlight=ishapore+enfield) here. It looks like most problems people have had with the Ishy is using .308 instead of Nato surplus. Also consider the Ishy Enfield has a 12 round mag so not can get in CA anyway unless you want to fuss with the mag.

ETA - All that above on the ishy and the link might be bunk as well. I really don't know what to think about them. Here's a calgun (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=332797) thread on it. And one from Milsurplus (http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting/oddshot2/index.asp).

The really cheap surplus .303 is long gone so that's a consideration as well. (You'll also need to be careful on types of .303 ammo. Machinegun .303 will not be the same for the Enfield. Luckily head stamp is different). If you pick one up, enjoy restoring it. I'm in the middle of restoring one myself.

Thanks for the info. A rebuild isn't my ideal situation, but since all the decent .303 surplus has dried up, maybe that'll be the route I'll go.

Mssr. Eleganté
04-24-2008, 8:21 PM
How are Australians Vietcoms?

Assembled in Australia from parts made in Vietnam. The U.S. State Department won't allow the importation of arms made in Vietnam.

caldude
04-24-2008, 9:12 PM
It's funny how things are viewed by different people. I consider the SMLE (followed by the No. 4) to be the best looking military bolt action rifle around.

Everyone's taste is different. Personally, I think the SMLE, and the Ishy Enfields to be the ugliest bolt actions out there, but the No.4 isn't bad. I just hate stocks that go to the end of the barrel. That being said, the Jungle Carbine is pretty cool looking IMHO. I picked up a JC clone last month, and I may consider a No. 4 in the future.

Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck
04-25-2008, 9:45 PM
Assembled in Australia from parts made in Vietnam. The U.S. State Department won't allow the importation of arms made in Vietnam.

Ah, I see. I didn't know that. I thought just China was on our "no import" list.

It's funny. We can buy other goods from the commies, but we can't buy firearms. And the Chinese were beginning to get some decent quality stuff in right before Clinton slapped the import ban on them from what I've read.

Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck
04-25-2008, 9:50 PM
Everyone's taste is different. Personally, I think the SMLE, and the Ishy Enfields to be the ugliest bolt actions out there, but the No.4 isn't bad. I just hate stocks that go to the end of the barrel. That being said, the Jungle Carbine is pretty cool looking IMHO. I picked up a JC clone last month, and I may consider a No. 4 in the future.

Ah, the extended stock is what I like. :) You're right, though. To each his own...