Reloads at Gun Shows?

[VtotheZ]

Do they sell reloads at gun shows normally? Or where can I find someone that sells them or is that illegal? If they are at gun shows then whats the normal going price for .223 and 45ACP.

Thanks

[Nodda Duma]

I don't know if reloads are sold at gunshows or not, but personally the only reloads I trust to shoot are the ones I load myself. Not worth saving a few extra $$ if I can't guarantee that my gun's not going to blow up, especially when the loader doesn't have to worry about being the one with brass shards or a bolt in his face.

-Jason

[What Just Happened?]

Reloads are normally sold at gun shows. Check at Miwall's site for the schedule of gun shows that they attend. There's a huge liability issue with shooting reloads, that's why I would only shoot what comes from a major manufacturer or a large reloading company, like Miwall's.

I've seen Miwall sell .45acp reloads at $75/250, and I'm not sure what .223 goes for.

[mecam]

MiWall's calendar
http://www.miwallcorp.com/schedule/

MiWall's current prices on ammo. Sometimes cheaper at the Show.
http://www.outdoormarksman.com/index.php?warehouse=west

[VtotheZ]

I don't know if reloads are sold at gunshows or not, but personally the only reloads I trust to shoot are the ones I load myself. Not worth saving a few extra $$ if I can't guarantee that my gun's not going to blow up, especially when the loader doesn't have to worry about being the one with brass shards or a bolt in his face.

-Jason

Not trying to be a butthead, but Ca Mon what are the odds of this happening. Honestly we all know it could happen, and to take every safety precaution, but has this happened to anyone on here? Who trusts Miwall?

[Exposed]

I have shot many many reloads, like, in the 1000s and never had a problem. I have however got some hot loaded batches in .45acp that kick like a mule. I have never had any problems other than that. Bullseye has reliable reloads and so does Ammo Bros. They are both usually at all the crossroads of the west gun shows in Cali. Not sure where you are from, but the next gun show in So Cal is in mid may in Ontario. If you live in L.A. you can drive to Ammo Bros in Ceritos and pick up some good reloads. Prices vary and the more you buy, the more you save. Here are a couple links for you.

http://www.crossroadsgunshows.com/gunsched.htm

http://www.ammobros.com/

[Vectrexer]

I only wish I had a lot loaded batch. All of the Miwall reloads I purchased see weak. Maybe 3/4 strength of a normal 40 S&W at best. But then I am not shooting across a field either.

The M&P 40 doesn't seem to like the Miwall as much as the regular ammo. Several FTF.

The Steyr eats everything so far. Even the Miwall.

Of course I have the good stuff loaded when off the range.

[VtotheZ]

I have shot many many reloads, like, in the 1000s and never had a problem. I have however got some hot loaded batches in .45acp that kick like a mule. I have never had any problems other than that. Bullseye has reliable reloads and so does Ammo Bros. They are both usually at all the crossroads of the west gun shows in Cali. Not sure where you are from, but the next gun show in So Cal is in mid may in Ontario. If you live in L.A. you can drive to Ammo Bros in Ceritos and pick up some good reloads. Prices vary and the more you buy, the more you save. Here are a couple links for you.

http://www.crossroadsgunshows.com/gunsched.htm

http://www.ammobros.com/

Awesome input, Thanks. Yea youll deff see me at that gun show, Im up here in the YUCK crap hole of a town Victorville, CA. Its north of San Bernardino.

[Ceemack]

I agree with Nodda Duma--the only reloads I shoot are the ones I make myself.

The only exception is re-manufactured stuff from Black Hills Shooter's Supply, which are several cuts above gun-show reloads.

My experience with Miwall reloads hasn't been very good. Their .357 stuff appears to be slightly overloaded, and accuracy with their 9mm loads is iffy--your gun may shoot it okay, or may shoot it horribly.

Can't speak from experience about reloads from Ammo Bros.

[rivviepop]

I like Miwall .38 Specials, 125gr TMJ - clean, accurate, and acceptably powered. Last show they ran $75/500.

[GenLee]

I buy the Remington Factory reloads at the miwall's here at the Del Mar show and to date no ftf or other probs They run $330-$360 per 1,000. YMMV

[jimbo1747]

I've use Milwall's 55 gr. FMJ .223 reloads and 240 gr. TMJ 44 mag reloads, and never had a problem with them. They're a little bit on the "weak" side and accuracy is nothing to write home about, but overall their stuff isn't bad for the money.

However, I be wary of "Joe Schmoe" reloader out there at the gun show selling his reloads that he made in his garage. Unlike Milwall, Ultramax, and Black Hills who re-manufactures ammo, and has a business address, phone number, insurance, etc. You'll most likely never see "Joe Schmoe" again!

[ar15barrels]

Not trying to be a butthead, but Ca Mon what are the odds of this happening.

Slim to none, but it happens with factory ammo too, not just reloads.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=70654

[CSACANNONEER]

Not trying to be a butthead, but Ca Mon what are the odds of this happening. Honestly we all know it could happen, and to take every safety precaution, but has this happened to anyone on here? Who trusts Miwall?

I've had several rounds "blow up" over the years. They've all been factory ammo! The first time, I was shooting a bolt action .22lr with Elley brown box left over from the '84 Olympics and got shrapnel (sp?) in my eye! So, it can even happen with high end ammo.

Yes, having fired 10s of 1000s of rounds of Miwall reloads, I trust them as much as I trust any commercial reloader.

[Josh]

Heres my 2 cents,

normally reloads from a major company are fine to shoot. I use reloads from cal ammo all the time.

However, at the range, every single time there was a squib load its been from reloaded ammo bought at the costa mesa gun show. I ask where they got the ammo from and they say the gun show in costa mesa but they dont remember or know who made it. Just that it was a good deal.

Most times the next round wont feed luckily, but there have been 2 cases where the next round seated and the shooter didnt fire because something didnt feel right. Had the fired the gun after that squib who knows how badly it could have turned out.

No one has blown anything up yet, but i think its just a matter of time.

[Pryde]

Not trying to be a butthead, but Ca Mon what are the odds of this happening. Honestly we all know it could happen, and to take every safety precaution, but has this happened to anyone on here? Who trusts Miwall?

Yes it happened to me. Risk it if you want, but I'm not going to.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=84900&highlight=miwall

AFAIK someone sold them a batch of bad brass and they loaded it. Miwall apologized and claims this happens from time to time and there is nothing they can do to predict it.

[DrunkSkunk]

I've shot about 10k rounds since January alone from various miwall bullseye ammo bros cal ammo etc factory reloads. No problemo's

[CSACANNONEER]

Yes it happened to me. Risk it if you want, but I'm not going to.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=84900&highlight=miwall

AFAIK someone sold them a batch of bad brass and they loaded it. Miwall apologized and claims this happens from time to time and there is nothing they can do to predict it.

Using this logic, I should never shoot Elley ammo again. Or, if someone gets hit by a car while walking in a crosswalk, he/she should never risk using a crosswalk again. Do what you want, just remember your logic is a little flawed.

[AngelDecoys]

I've bought a lot of miwall like many of the posters here. I've never had any issue with their rounds. I have had a few rimfire from remington that were duds, but a nice letter resulted in another 500 rounds being sent curtesy of the factory.

I generally stay away from the smaller venders at gun shows who sell ammo. (There was one exception on .30 remington ammo I got a deal on). On several occasions I've seen venders try and pass off reloads as mil surplus. Maybe the vender himself didn't question the origin, or maybe some smaller venders reload themselves and make mistakes (or have their kids reload for them).

[Pryde]

Using this logic, I should never shoot Elley ammo again. Or, if someone gets hit by a car while walking in a crosswalk, he/she should never risk using a crosswalk again. Do what you want, just remember your logic is a little flawed.

Your logic is flawed.

There is not a direct alternative to walking in a crosswalk other than jaywalking which is more dangerous.

The direct alternative to buying Miwall ammo is spending a little more money to buy factory ammo so you can have peace of mind.

[CSACANNONEER]

Your logic is flawed.

There is not a direct alternative to walking in a crosswalk other than jaywalking which is more dangerous.

The direct alternative to buying Miwall ammo is spending a little more money to buy factory ammo so you can have peace of mind.

Maybe you haven't read my previous posts in this thread. I have experienced ruptured cases with high end factory ammo and recently there was a batch of factory .223 that hit the market without flash holes! I'm not saying that reloads are always better but, reloads are not always worse than factory ammo. When I spent more money on very expensive factory ammo, I almost lost an eye. If that gives you peace of mind, then so be it. The simple fact is that shooting or any other sport can be dangerous (I know, shooting is statistically one of the safest sports). You are reponsible for your safety at all times and need to always be aware of possible dangers. PLEASE don't let you guard down and have a false sense of security just because you choose to shoot only factory ammo. BTW, most precision shooters only shoot "reloads" or "handloads" in their expensive guns. But, of course, you know better than all the long range world record holders I know.

[RugBag]

my reloads are the ones that I want to shoot. Not some crap from a reload shop run by a loose pack of corn-dogs.

[FlyingPen]

Anyone try Georgia Arms Canned Heat or this stuff at Ammunition To Go? Same price as new brass Privi Partizan

http://ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/product_info.php?pName=100rds-223-drs-55gr-fmj-ammo&cName=223-556-fmj-ammo

[ar15barrels]

Anyone try Georgia Arms Canned Heat or this stuff at Ammunition To Go? Same price as new brass Privi Partizan

I would buy the new brass privi.

[Pryde]

Maybe you haven't read my previous posts in this thread. I have experienced ruptured cases with high end factory ammo and recently there was a batch of factory .223 that hit the market without flash holes! I'm not saying that reloads are always better but, reloads are not always worse than factory ammo. When I spent more money on very expensive factory ammo, I almost lost an eye. If that gives you peace of mind, then so be it. The simple fact is that shooting or any other sport can be dangerous (I know, shooting is statistically one of the safest sports). You are reponsible for your safety at all times and need to always be aware of possible dangers. PLEASE don't let you guard down and have a false sense of security just because you choose to shoot only factory ammo. BTW, most precision shooters only shoot "reloads" or "handloads" in their expensive guns. But, of course, you know better than all the long range world record holders I know.

I reload and shoot my own ammo. I'm just saying that I don't trust miwall reloads and I will not buy them again. Miwall themselves said "this thing happens sometimes and there is nothing we can do about it."

When I reload I can inspect my own brass to make sure it is good to go before proceeding. Miwall buys brass of unknown firing counts from some obviously bad sources and that can lead to disaster.

[CSACANNONEER]

I reload and shoot my own ammo. I'm just saying that I don't trust miwall reloads and I will not buy them again. Miwall themselves said "this thing happens sometimes and there is nothing we can do about it."

When I reload I can inspect my own brass to make sure it is good to go before proceeding. Miwall buys brass of unknown firing counts from some obviously bad sources and that can lead to disaster.

I prefer my own relods as well. Yes, "these things happen" isn't the best answer they could have given you but, my point is, the same things can happen with factory ammo too. Personally, if I'm was to buy reloads at a gunshow, I would trust Miwall reloads before I would trust some Bubba's reloads.

[AngelDecoys]

Miwall buys brass of unknown firing counts from some obviously bad sources and that can lead to disaster.

Beg to differ here. Miwall buys brass from LE (who use factory new). They are all once fired brass.

[Someguy925]

The 9mm Miwall reloads seemed to work ok for me. My CZ-75 ate them ok though I question its load for accuracy. Plus I found the ammo to be really really dirty as well.