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BlackReef
04-18-2008, 8:29 PM
Edit: Blah

69Mach1
04-18-2008, 8:31 PM
Tag for updates. Hope everything works out.

G17GUY
04-18-2008, 9:08 PM
are the charges for the guns?

Fjold
04-18-2008, 9:29 PM
Guns and drugs in the same house is bad news.

kermit315
04-18-2008, 9:32 PM
tagged to watch.

duenor
04-18-2008, 9:35 PM
I avoid drug users, kiddie porn lovers, and general sleazeballs.
While I sympathize with the gun owner, take this as a lesson, too: you are judged by the company you keep. I used to live in a nice place with a roommate who started doing recreational cocaine. I moved out.

redcliff
04-18-2008, 9:45 PM
Did he have a rental agreement and/or rent receipts/cancelled rent checks? Were any drugs found in his rented premises?

Breadfan
04-18-2008, 10:02 PM
Its not looking good for your buddy I hpoe things work out for him

Shane916
04-18-2008, 10:08 PM
I would venture to guess the DEA included the safe on the warrant and therefore consent to open the safe is not needed.

s2000news
04-18-2008, 10:12 PM
I would venture to guess the DEA included the safe on the warrant and therefore consent to open the safe is not needed.

My thought too.

fairfaxjim
04-18-2008, 10:12 PM
I thought they always put guns, money, weapons, and anything else that goes with druggies on the drug bust warrants, SOP.

savageevo
04-18-2008, 10:15 PM
I run away from drug users and pushers, Gangbanger and thugs, Did your buddy know what was going on in the house. I hope he had his door lock because it shouldn't be part of the household. I hope he had cancelled checks or some sort of proof he was renting that room. Im glad it wasn't one of calguns family members.

Utha Schleigle
04-18-2008, 10:18 PM
Un fortunately most search warrants are for entire structure or address. They will search everthing and every one, then take everyone down town and let the judge and lawyers sort them out.

It is lawyer time. Not Miller time. Separated rooms with room numbers or alphabatical plates and separite mailing addresses will help his lawyer, but if it is just one house - one kichen - one bathroom (not good).

At this time he need's the best legal counsil he can afford. DO NOT GO CHEAP This event could effect his life. They really are worth the money.

1 To get his kidd back. 2 Not get him in jail himself. 3 protect his future - keeping his record clean - this could affect his ability to get jobs. 4 Protect him from prediatory BABY MAMA DRAMA. (she will use this - trust me) He might need a separite lawyer for this at a lator time.

Yes my dealership even for low end jobs has the policy not to hire any "anger" or "drug" or "weapons" issues.

dreyna14
04-18-2008, 10:25 PM
If no drugs were found in his room and the safe was kept in his own private area/room locked with no access to anyone else then I pray for his acquittal. Assuming he's a clean guy, then there is no reason for a person/renter to be held accountable for what roommates unknowingly do in the same residence. While this sounds like Monday-morning quarterbacking, and it is, but it would have been a good idea for him to remove his guns from the residence as soon as he found out about the suspicious activity. It wouldn't have prevented his arrest, but the drug/gun thing is bad news. If he is indeed innocent, I hope his roommates don't pull a double-cross with the hopes of immunity. Let hope for the best.

mymonkeyman
04-18-2008, 11:42 PM
LEOs don't need consent to search safes when they have a warrant. As long as the warrant isn't so obviously invalid that a reasonable police officer should realize it is defective (or was based on knowing lies), and the search is within the scope of the warrant, the evidence won't be excluded.

Hopefully your friend will have the charges against him dismissed, it's going to be a long and painful process.

Casual Observer
04-19-2008, 12:06 AM
I used to live in a nice place with a roommate who started doing recreational cocaine. I moved out.

Recreational cocaine? Is that different from occupational cocaine use? medicinal cocaine use?

I never understood why people called it "recreational use", as if it somehow diminishes the illegality of it.

To the OP, that sucks but unfortunately people can be found guilty by association. If I were him, I would cooperate fully with the DA. I would sing like a canary about anything and everything I knew as a sign of good faith.

MysteryCereal
04-19-2008, 12:24 AM
Recreational cocaine? Is that different from occupational cocaine use? medicinal cocaine use?

I never understood why people called it "recreational use", as if it somehow diminishes the illegality of it.

To the OP, that sucks but unfortunately people can be found guilty by association. If I were him, I would cooperate fully with the DA. I would sing like a canary about anything and everything I knew as a sign of good faith.

I dont think people think the legality is any different but if I drink once a week with friends, it's recreational. If I can't go a day without it, I'm an alcoholic. Same with cigs/marijuana. So when I was in high school and smoked once a week, it was recreational :D

duenor
04-19-2008, 12:27 AM
I just wanted to clarify - I feel for your friend.
My comments were not meant to disparage him in any way.

My coke friends were all college graduates with postgrad and doctorate degrees. They still snorted lines of coke purchased from creeps in condemmned buildings packaged in dirty grocery bags. One time they were given change in hollywood money (set bills) and they were so drunk and the room so dark they didn't notice.

While I am all for legalizing drugs, I find them distasteful and will not put my *** on the line for someone else's "recreation".

Casual Observer
04-19-2008, 12:33 AM
I dont think people think the legality is any different but if I drink once a week with friends, it's recreational. If I can't go a day without it, I'm an alcoholic. Same with cigs/marijuana. So when I was in high school and smoked once a week, it was recreational :D

Hey man, whatever you got to tell yourself to justify the habit is cool with me as long as you keep it away from me. :cool:

MysteryCereal
04-19-2008, 12:45 AM
Hey man, whatever you got to tell yourself to justify the habit is cool with me as long as you keep it away from me. :cool:

Sorry some of us have habit's like drinking every once in a while and enjoying a cigar everyonce and a while. Must be lonely up there on that pedestal.

eta34
04-19-2008, 7:23 AM
I'll join him on that pedestal. Coke use is not the same as cigars and booze.

fairfaxjim
04-19-2008, 7:37 AM
I'll join him on that pedestal. Coke use is not the same as cigars and booze.

Hang on tight up there! Addiction is addiction - just because our society has chosen to legalize some substances so they can tax them, and demonize others so they can prosecute them, doesn't change the fact that they substantially alter the human body when taken, and all are addictive.

I wouldn't want to work next to a drunk any more than a tweaked out druggie. The tobaco issue is more of a self destruction one than the big deal our society seems to want to make of it, but the dynamics are the same.

SteveH
04-19-2008, 9:10 AM
Reference the "busting" open of the safe. If the warrant specified the entire house and all closed containers inside then they didnt need his consent to open the safe.

scootergmc
04-19-2008, 9:40 AM
Read the warrant.

liketoshoot
04-19-2008, 9:48 AM
It is all bad. He can kiss his guns goodby for at least 20 years unless he is convicted along with his roommates then forever.
I hope he fully co-operates and shows good moral character and gets a good lawyer.


tagged for updates.

RobG
04-19-2008, 10:10 AM
Sounds all around bad. If this sounds harsh, its because it is. How in the hell does he stay, with his son no less, knowing/suspecting what is going on? He should have grabbed his son then his guns and bailed to a hotel or something. There is no justification for subjecting his child to that enviroment.

ar15barrels
04-19-2008, 10:16 AM
Addiction is addiction - just because our society has chosen to legalize some substances so they can tax them, and demonize others so they can prosecute them, doesn't change the fact that they substantially alter the human body when taken, and all are addictive.

Illegal is illegal.
I'm sorry that some people get addicted to legal substances and others choose illegal substances.
Addiction is not a valid excuse to break the law. ;)

Casual Observer
04-19-2008, 11:04 AM
Sorry some of us have habit's like drinking every once in a while and enjoying a cigar everyonce and a while. Must be lonely up there on that pedestal.

Having a beer when BBQing and watching the game is different from cocaine use. I'm not equating the two but if that's what you want to do, that's fine. I just don't understand the basis for it.

Either way, we're getting off topic. Any updates on the accused?

ricknadine1111
04-19-2008, 11:26 AM
"THE LAW IS THE LAW "I DIDNT MAKE IT BUT ITS THERE AND IS THE OUTLINE FOR US TO FOLLOW.

BlackReef
04-19-2008, 2:27 PM
Feds disrupt multimillion-dollar indoor marijuana growing ring
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008/04/17/news/sandiego/194acdc9f57df4768825742e001407a2.txt

The whole situation makes me sick to my stomach

762cavalier
04-19-2008, 2:35 PM
Wow if your friend was in one of those growhouses he is basically going to be B***F*****. He needs a really good attorney.

BlackReef
04-19-2008, 2:41 PM
Wow if your friend was in one of those growhouses he is basically going to be B***F*****. He needs a really good attorney.

He was in the only house that wasn't a growhouse. As far as I know, they still found buds and cash but no plants, according to the news. The other 4 houses were used to grow.

packnrat
04-19-2008, 2:43 PM
does not matter if the dea could open or not...why do they destroy property when a good safe cracker can open up most any safe.??????


:TFH:


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NIB
04-19-2008, 2:55 PM
I got a feeling if it was a DEA led raid then the warrant may indeed cover the safe.

However I don't know why are we more worried over the safe and guns when this guy has bigger issues at hand. If he doesn't get himself disassociated from the other goons he may be looking at several years in prison, the loss of his son and a drug conviction forever.

He needs a good criminal defense lawyer now!!!

scootergmc
04-19-2008, 3:01 PM
He was in the only house that wasn't a growhouse. As far as I know, they still found buds and cash but no plants, according to the news. The other 4 houses were used to grow.


So your friend lived in the fifth house: A fifth house in Valley Center contained scales and processed marijuana, according to a complaint filed in federal court Tuesday.


Your friend has much bigger problems than the warrant, his safe, and his guns.

45DAVID1
04-19-2008, 3:13 PM
He was in the only house that wasn't a growhouse. As far as I know, they still found buds and cash but no plants, according to the news. The other 4 houses were used to grow.

So your buddy was basically the "security" for the entire operation since people really don't live inside grow houses. If it's true that he had the scales, some buds and some cash then he is screwed. Since it's a Federal case I see him doing some time since he did have firearms and drugs in the same house. Whether they were locked or not is irrelevant.

If your buddy is 100% innocent then why didn't he report what he thought was something funny going on? He knows more than he is willing to admit.

Pointcrossed
04-19-2008, 4:34 PM
Illegal is illegal.
I'm sorry that some people get addicted to legal substances and others choose illegal substances.
Addiction is not a valid excuse to break the law. ;)

I agree with this, drugs corrupt society, as well as many legal substances, such as alcohol and coffee. This is why drugs will never be completely decriminalized in America. California has found to decriminalize small amounts of marijuana, ban certain firearms. Having weapons around drugs or any illegal activity only promotes and enforces illegal activity.


I am truly sorry for this guy, but I am always brutally honest. It does not matter if you are renting a room at a residence or if you lived next door, trying to leave the situation by finding a place to move is just irresponsible behavior; leave immediately; evacuate; and that is how DEA sees it and this is why he is in trouble even though he is a law abiding citizen; at the instance of his awareness of this activity he should have evacuated immediately, and/or contacted the proper authorities and protected his child and his good name; he would have stayed out of jail and kept his child and firearms safe. If you have yourself and other lives at risk you must think responsibly to stay out of trouble.

Blue
04-19-2008, 4:47 PM
If his record is clean, he had no drugs/huge piles of cash in his room, and he gets a half decent lawyer he should be fine. I know of a person that got busted growing weed up in Mendocino and got caught fleeing the property with almost $50k cash in her truck. She did two weeks in jail and a bunch of fines. But that was it and she was guilty.

mymonkeyman
04-19-2008, 5:01 PM
If his record is clean, he had no drugs/huge piles of cash in his room, and he gets a half decent lawyer he should be fine. I know of a person that got busted growing weed up in Mendocino and got caught fleeing the property with almost $50k cash in her truck. She did two weeks in jail and a bunch of fines. But that was it and she was guilty.

The difference is Federal v. State. Sounds like your friend's bust was a state only thing. When Feds get involved, you start getting things like 10 year mandatory minimums and other horrible, horrible things.

tankerman
04-19-2008, 8:10 PM
WTF did he think was going happen?

If you choose to hangout with drug dealers bad sh-t it going to happen to you, period.

I can't believe someone would put their child in this situation. As a father it is your responsibility to protect your child from scumbag drug dealers not subject your child to these criminals.

Everyone is aware of the consequences.

recshooter
04-20-2008, 12:49 AM
Any updates on the case in question?

JayRuff
04-20-2008, 1:25 AM
That's messed up, I hope your friend gets out and gets his guns back, he was kinda stupid for not moving out when he suspected illegal activity, even without the guns thing, in my opinion that is not an environment for a kid to be in

retired
04-20-2008, 1:35 AM
Hey, put me on that same lonely pedestal or even the one above it. ;) I don't use illegal drugs, drink or smoke anything; never have. My kids suggest I take medicinal marijuana for my back pain, but I won't do it.

recshooter
04-20-2008, 4:10 AM
Alright everyone, enough with the anti-drug comments--they ARE illegal, you square types have won and continue to prevail--no need to rub it in the faces of those who believe the government should not be able to tell adults what to do with their bodies. We would all do well to remember that the war on drugs has had a bit of a swiss cheese effect on the constitution. Whenever you get angry about stupid CA gun laws that don't help anyone--think of a poor junky.:eek:

Sorry for the mini rant (not meant to be 100% serious BTW), but does throwing nonviolent people in prison for making a poor health choice seem like the action of a freedom loving people....?

tankerman
04-20-2008, 6:03 AM
Alright everyone, enough with the anti-drug comments--they ARE illegal, you square types have won and continue to prevail--no need to rub it in the faces of those who believe the government should not be able to tell adults what to do with their bodies. We would all do well to remember that the war on drugs has had a bit of a swiss cheese effect on the constitution. Whenever you get angry about stupid CA gun laws that don't help anyone--think of a poor junky.:eek:

Sorry for the mini rant (not meant to be 100% serious BTW), but does throwing nonviolent people in prison for making a poor health choice seem like the action of a freedom loving people....?
The only problem with your argument is these adults, as you believe should be able to do what they want with their bodies end up f-cked up in the head by the dope and then go onto make very poor decisions such as having children and exposing their kids to that lifestyle as well as costing taxpayers money for all kinds medical attention. What about the criminal activity that goes along with needing funds to purchase the drugs should we just ignore that too?

Maybe you should think issue through a bit more.

pieeater
04-20-2008, 7:50 AM
Your buddy is screwed, DEA doesnt mess around.

USN CHIEF
04-20-2008, 8:13 AM
Your buddy might as well forget about the guns and run for

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9INIKltDfs

Utha Schleigle
04-20-2008, 9:11 AM
(DR. Laura Moment) First concern his child. Is the kidd in the Foster Care System????? or with mother if that is an option. IT could be time for the child to stay with MOM - Grand Maaa until the legal GODS stopp fighting like elephants stomping everthing smaller than themselves. Get the other family member a separite attorney to work on behalf of the CHILD's rights to stay connected with their family. This takes a attorneys and judge.

(A Pirate Moment - AHRRR) What ever laws his "roomates/shipmates" want to break is his problem. if he is rounded up at the same time on the same ship, HE will swing for it. AHRRR laws be like more guidelines anyway.

(A Major **Censored by NSA & Dept of Censored** moment) My friend gets angry with the people in his command or office (depending what project and country he is in) With what they KNEW - when they KNEW - what they DID based on that information and who they told, this detrmines the pain they have to suffer and time in brigg or cement apartment in PENNsavaina they get. This painful process goes though each tear of BOZO's - until he can't take any more.

Anyway your friend is in this process and his attorney has to spin the TRUTH and LIES like a turnado.

Any one with scales - drugs - weapons - asociation with distribution in the same house should read the Federal Forfeiture Act. It is great bedtime reading if you like nightmares.

The guns are gone - don't worry about them. Cost of doing business. Estimated retainers and starting legal services $5,000 to $7,500. Possible cost (depending on quality of legal team) - $25,000 or untill you run out of money. It's a racket GUYZ.

AJAX22
04-20-2008, 9:37 AM
I don't do drugs, I dont hang around while drugs are being done and I don't get involved in any way with the sale, distrabution, manufacture or transport of them.

However, in the past I've known people who did.

Some of you guys would be VERY shocked to learn about the number of people in your lives who use cocaine recreationally. Doctors, lawyers, investment bankers, MBA's, etc.

Alot of productive, non violent, socially acceptable members of society use it as the party drug of choice.

As far as druggies getting wacked out and making poor decisions that destroy their lives and cost the taxpayers money, I'd be more than willing to wager that Alcohol has been party to more devestated lives than cocaine, (even counting the lives destroyed by the legal system)

We tried prohibition once.... IIRC it didn't work out all that well

I don't condone the behavior of these individuals, the law is the law and they would be better served working to change it. But I also do not morally condem them.

GW
04-20-2008, 11:39 AM
Whenever you get angry about stupid CA gun laws that don't help anyone--think of a poor junky.

Screw the junky. He made his choice and has to live or die with it
I resent the junky POS because he cots me tax $$$ for law enforcement, insurance and rehab bills. His "freedom" is furthering my tax slavery..

And yes I do believe the drugs should be legalized (and taxed) It would raise money, empty prisons and castrate the street gangs/drug cartels all in one fell swoop. That last reason is why it will NEVER happen
as for the OP's pal, Best of luck but if you're going to sleep in a sewer, you're gonna wake up smelly.

recshooter
04-20-2008, 2:41 PM
GW: The junky comment was sort of tongue and cheek, but as a med student, I guess I have a bit of a different outlook on the compassion issue.

+1 on the legalization and taxation--sadly you are probably right about it ever happening, though.

Whoever stated that I need to think this through and used drug crime as an example--black market inflation is responsible for much of the crime, legalize and tax the market and you have less crime, and the tax could help pay for health care instead of letting the DEA waste it (no new taxes on us hardworking citizens--let the druggies pay for their own care--beautiful). And if you are worried about drug users neglecting children, driving intoxicated, etc.; remember these ARE crimes and are not to be tolerated--but if drugs were legalized IMHO such associated crimes would not spike like fear spreaders would have you believe. Have you thought this through, and no, DARE does not count;)?

Prohibition did not work, the current war on drugs does not work, why as a society are we not willing to explore other options?--this is a futile cycle :(, and the OP's friend is just the latest one to get thrown into the circus.

RobG
04-20-2008, 3:35 PM
GW: but as a med student, I guess I have a bit of a different outlook on the compassion issue.


Work in medicine for a while, you'll come to see the light;)

duenor
04-20-2008, 3:43 PM
I'm all for the legalizing of drugs.
But I would take all the money they spend on chasing drugs towards correcting the situations that encourage people to use drugs.

I must admit, though, that I do have my addiction.

gunsmoke.

SC_00_05
04-20-2008, 3:57 PM
I'll join him on that pedestal. Coke use is not the same as cigars and booze.
:smilielol5: Not the same as booze...yeah, you're right, booze causes waaaaay more problems.

BlackReef
04-20-2008, 4:34 PM
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radioactivelego
04-20-2008, 5:49 PM
I run away from drug users and pushers, Gangbanger and thugs, Did your buddy know what was going on in the house. I hope he had his door lock because it shouldn't be part of the household. I hope he had cancelled checks or some sort of proof he was renting that room. Im glad it wasn't one of calguns family members.If you think marijuana is even close to the hard drugs out there, you have a lot to learn.

I put the legalization of marijuana on the same page as the fight against gun control. Racist legislation to keep hispanics away from the reefer that eventually turned into federal tyrrany against recreational and harmless drugs.

Also gotta laugh at how they are doing this all in April as well. They have busted a multitude of dispensaries and have ruined lives for thousands of Los Angeles residents.

Lancaster past summer also went above the law when they put $25,000 and 50,000 fines on people who lived in residents of grow houses. People who just rented rooms like anyone else would and were completely unaware that room size grow-ops were going on. Imagine renting a room on craigslist, having everything go perfectly fine, and 6 months down the road you are in jail and all of your assets are siezed. All because you never questioned the locked storage room you never peeked in.

artherd
04-20-2008, 6:35 PM
Check the warrant, AND the affadavit. If the safe is not within scope, or should not have been within scope, move to quash, and be done.

If not, defend via other means.

He needs TMLLP, and should probally pull this.

eta34
04-20-2008, 7:16 PM
If you think marijuana is even close to the hard drugs out there, you have a lot to learn.

I put the legalization of marijuana on the same page as the fight against gun control. Racist legislation to keep hispanics away from the reefer that eventually turned into federal tyrrany against recreational and harmless drugs.

Also gotta laugh at how they are doing this all in April as well. They have busted a multitude of dispensaries and have ruined lives for thousands of Los Angeles residents.

Lancaster past summer also went above the law when they put $25,000 and 50,000 fines on people who lived in residents of grow houses. People who just rented rooms like anyone else would and were completely unaware that room size grow-ops were going on. Imagine renting a room on craigslist, having everything go perfectly fine, and 6 months down the road you are in jail and all of your assets are siezed. All because you never questioned the locked storage room you never peeked in.


Do you have some evidence of this? Was this a municipal code or something? Just curious how they were able to levy fines outside of the penal code on people.

Utha Schleigle
04-20-2008, 8:19 PM
The city of Long Beach can go a little futher. I don't think anything is officially written down though. If as a landlord you rent ACCIDENTLY/Un A WARE to drugies or problem persons - where either raids or police calls are made, the city will suggest you evict everyone connected and/or semi connected or have your building/home rental property CONDEMED and sold to a new landlord that walks and dances to the City if LB tune.

This happened to the 6 unit next to my complex. Forced to sell apartments - all tentents evicted - 6 apartments - everything brought up to code - and have a nice life somewhere else folks. The city and zoning commission are next in line to harrass everyone.

Mitch
04-21-2008, 5:24 PM
I'll join him on that pedestal. Coke use is not the same as cigars and booze.

Quite right. Coke is illegal, that is the only difference.

mymonkeyman
04-21-2008, 5:32 PM
The city of Long Beach can go a little futher. I don't think anything is officially written down though. If as a landlord you rent ACCIDENTLY/Un A WARE to drugies or problem persons - where either raids or police calls are made, the city will suggest you evict everyone connected and/or semi connected or have your building/home rental property CONDEMED and sold to a new landlord that walks and dances to the City if LB tune.

This happened to the 6 unit next to my complex. Forced to sell apartments - all tentents evicted - 6 apartments - everything brought up to code - and have a nice life somewhere else folks. The city and zoning commission are next in line to harrass everyone.

This is a "creative" use of nuisance / eminent domain laws. A good attorney might be able to fight it, but most people just tend to give in when the government comes calling.