Read this if you are thinking about wolf ammo in your ar-15

[VAHEVAHE]

Well after reading many posts here at cal guns and reviews online i decided to try wolf ammunition for my .223 ar-15. I am very picky about the type of ammo i use on my ar-15 and do not skimp on ammo. I purchased 500 rounds of wolf 223. The forst 30 rounds fed perfectly. at the 33 round the rifle Started FTE. I keep my rifles very clean at all times with a nice coat of CLP. The wolf ammo gave me my first FTE in over 1500 rounds of remington ammo. The rifle then started to ftf with every round of wolf and then when i put Remington .223 in there it was FTE also because the chamber was so dirty. This is what happened to me so i am not bashing WOLF in general. My ak loves wolf.

Im using a 20inc Flatop dpms upper and stag lower

[thefifthspeed]

Wolf has it's place in certain rifles but not too many. I think the only success for .223 wolf has is in the mini 14.

[aplinker]

Sounds like your DPMS can't use Wolf... :shrug:

My carbine eats it asks for more.

[JeffM]

If it doesn't shoot wolf it's broken.

[VAHEVAHE]

If it doesn't shoot wolf it's broken.

how?

[JeffM]

how?

Ummm... it will not feed perfectly fine wolf ammo.



The only exception to this rule is if it is a dedicated precision long range rifle, which .223 is not suited towards anyway.

And yes I know about SPRs and such, but if they don't feed wolf, it defeats the purpose. May as well have a bolt gun then.

[VAHEVAHE]

Ummm... it will not feed perfectly fine wolf ammo.



The only exception to this rule is if it is a dedicated precision long range rifle, which .223 is not suited towards anyway.

And yes I know about SPRs and such, but if they don't feed wolf, it defeats the purpose. May as well have a bolt gun then.

My ar-15 is not broken, it works perfectly with factory Remington ammo and gets right groups

[aplinker]

My ar-15 is not broken, it works perfectly with factory Remington ammo and gets right groups

Depends on how you define reliability.

Anyways, from what you describe I'd say your chamber is larger than spec. Larger chamber = more fouling around steel.

[Guns R Tools]

Some related article.

http://theboxotruth.com/docs/edu18.htm

[brokestudent12]

weird - wolf cycles through all my uppers no problem, from my dpms to my noveske.

[tenpercentfirearms]

I am very picky about the type of ammo i use on my ar-15 and do not skimp on ammo. I purchased 500 rounds of wolf 223.

You are a satirical genius. A very funny post. ;)

[Blacktail 8541]

Ummm... it will not feed perfectly fine wolf ammo.



The only exception to this rule is if it is a dedicated precision long range rifle, which .223 is not suited towards anyway.


You are jokeing......RIGHT?:rolleyes:

[pbrand]

I use wolf all the time. I have had failures once when I failed to clean my rifle after 2 days of shooting wolf. So long as my rifle is clean it eats up wolf no problem.

[50 Freak]

Sounds like the DPMS has a tight match chamber. Wolf likes them loose and sloppy.

[RedDawn]

Never had a problem with wolf in any of my AR platforms, AKs,, or Mini14.

[USN CHIEF]

Bottom line again.. If your rifle don't shoot wolf ammo, you need to throw your rifle away and get a new one...

[Harbinger]

Agreed.

I think it should be a banner at the top of the Calguns main index.html.

"If your rifle won't cycle steel-cased wolf, there's something wrong with your rifle"

And, for what it's worth, your thread title is rather amusing. You say you've read thousands of posts about the successful use of Wolf ammo, have problems in ONE rifle, then create a thread ripping into Wolf?

Mike

[ohsmily]

Look, if you have a chrome-lined chamber (most chrome-lined barrels do), you will not have a problem with Wolf ammo. If it isn't chrome lined, you are going to have big problems.

That's it.

[bobfried]

Yup,

If your upper does not eat Wolf than it's a crappy upper.

It's sort of like saying my car won't run on Thrifty gas but it will run on Mobil gas. You will not see a complain from people running "mil-spec" uppers and custom, uber-expensive build complain about Wolf. The only time you see Wolf being bashed is by someone using a 2nd rate upper.

I will also add that this obviously excludes SPR or other precision rigs with tight match chamber. But that's an expensive custom shooting rig, a run of the mill $500 upper from LMT will eat Wolf like there's no tomorrow.

[MotoGuy]

I keep my rifles very clean at all times with a nice coat of CLP.

How much of a CLP coat do you have inside the rifle? Maybe too much CLP plus dirty ammo is your issue.

I don't use wolf that much, but I have put a few hundred rounds through my oll with no problems.

[Ballistic043]

so in other words, we need to buy high quality, expensive upper receivers in order to shoot cheap ammo? whats the point to that?


ive seen LMT, vltor, stag, bushmaster, and DPMS models work miserably with wolf. ive experienced this with my own hands and eyes. these same guns subsequently work FINE for any other ammo put through them.


i guess we should throw them away because they dont feed cheap ammo...

[radioactivelego]

People who are saying Stag are cheap uppers are retarded, people who are saying Wolf steel ammo is going to work flawlessly for every round are retarded, people who shoot Wolf steel, then brass-cased ammo are retarded.

Have I covered every basis of this myth-filled, constantly posted thread?

[USN CHIEF]

People who are saying Stag are cheap uppers are retarded, people who are saying Wolf steel ammo is going to work flawlessly for every round are retarded, people who shoot Wolf steel, then brass-cased ammo are retarded.

Have I covered every basis of this myth-filled, constantly posted thread?

Settle down Batman...:) You and I both know that there is nothing wrong with Wolf ammo, other than it being a lil dirty.. Now if your rifle don't shoot it, you and I know that your rifle is bad.. :D

[MudCamper]

Some related article.

http://theboxotruth.com/docs/edu18.htm

Very interesting. Everyone should read this.

[bohoki]

works fine in my uppers but they both havbe 20 inch barrels is yours by any chance a 16"

i'm just asking for statistical data

[bwiese]

Sounds like your DPMS can't use Wolf... :shrug:

My carbine eats it asks for more.

Exactly.

If your rifle doesn't run well with Wolf, it's the rifle that has the problem not the ammo.

I suspect your DPMS rifle does not have a chrome-lined chamber/bbl and the chamber may be tighter-than-milspec (and perhaps even with a bit of roughness).

[bwiese]

so in other words, we need to buy high quality, expensive upper receivers in order to shoot cheap ammo? whats the point to that?

No, but cheap no-name uppers from bottom feeder vendors may well not work that great with other brands of ammo. Wolf will sort out these marginal uppers.

Again, if it won't reliably cycle Wolf, the upper is defective, or not maintaned properly (user error).


ive seen LMT, vltor, stag, bushmaster, and DPMS models work miserably with wolf. ive experienced this with my own hands and eyes. these same guns subsequently work FINE for any other ammo put through them. Then there is something wrong. Likely poor lubrication as an initial suspect [A crappy mag may also bind a bit differently on a steel case than a brass case and could cause a feed error.]

Maybe these are parts uppers from bottom feeder vendors, maybe you are just looking at the lower and not the upper. (VLTOR itself doesn't make complete uppers I know of, just fore-ends/handguards!) And maybe someone got cheap with a discount bolt carrier and poorly-staked gas key.

I have run Wolf thru all my reg'd-AW ARs and they work just fine - hundreds of rounds at a time.

Of course I have my ARs properly lubed and use USGI mags as well :)

Wolf runs fine in friends' CMMG ARs as well.


i guess we should throw them away because they dont feed cheap ammo...No, you should understand how your rifle is malfunctioning and that when it is 'functioning' with other ammo the operation may be marginal.

[DRM6000]

i have a dpms lo-pro 24" bull barrel upper that will not work with wolf ammo at all. iirc, it didn't even digest one round.

it works fine in a bushmaster and asa upper. i haven't tried it in the armalites or lmt uppers yet.

[bwiese]

People who are saying Stag are cheap uppers are retarded,

Yes, while I have heard of a few more QC issues w/Stags than seem reasonable, I'd bet that a fair fraction of supposed Stag issues are due to user error (lubrication, bad mag, mixing in gunshow parts (recoil springs, etc.)


people who are saying Wolf steel ammo is going to work flawlessly for every round are retarded,

I am not retarded. I have had ONE FTF with Wolf (dead primer).

I will say that if Wolf goes bang it will cycle your AR if it's maintained/lubed properly and not built with crap parts from bottom-feeder vendor.

I have repeatedly cycled hundreds of rounds of Wolf thru my ARs in NV desert without issue.



people who shoot Wolf steel, then brass-cased ammo are retarded.


Fair point. And I'd extend it to include folks that don't travel with a cleaning rod/chamber brush/bore mop in their A2 stocks as well.

[ar15barrels]

If it doesn't shoot wolf it's broken.

Thank you Bill.

[ar15barrels]

Sounds like your DPMS can't use Wolf... :shrug:

My carbine eats it asks for more.

Some DPMS chambers are tight.
If it's not chrome lined, I can ream it to a Wylde and it should run anything.

[PIRATE14]

JEEZ....people....

Some guns like wolf others don't.......doesn't mean you have to do anything to your gun if it doesn't function w/ WOLF.....should it function w/ WOLF.....probably...

If it works w/ every brass cased ammo out there......I don't think you have a problem.....

Now, If you have 10,000 rds of Wolf 223....and your rifle isnt' functioning properly w/ it than by all means....tweak it....

[Prowler]

Bushmaster upper on my stock AR...wolf works fine, never failed and no corrosion. Just gets dirty...

[bridgeport]

Not uncommon at all to see guys dump beta-mags through their AR's with wolf
and no FTF's at the MG shoots in free states... and I mean Beta after Beta.
just food for thought.

[ar15barrels]

Not uncommon at all to see guys dump beta-mags through their AR's with wolf
and no FTF's at the MG shoots in free states... and I mean Beta after Beta.
just food for thought.

Yeah, but those are Colt barrels. ;)

[eagleboard]

wolf is very dirty ammo.it shoots well though if your on a buget.just clean up afterword.ive shot 1000's of the stuff.its also great ammo the way it comes in that sealed can and all with that special can opener.

[Pryde]

Yeah, but those are Colt barrels. ;)

I love those loose, sloppy colt chambers. ;)

[American_pride]

My bushmaster had a FTE (ripped extractor groove off the case) after firing ~2500rnds without cleaning:eek::eek: It was complete user error. I just wanted to see how long it would go before it jammed. It took a lot of force to remove it after I got it home, so this is not recommended. So some will, and some will not........... Mine does:D

[MicronuT]

if my rifle doesnt cycle wolf, i wont trust it.. (my rifle)

[Fjold]

I guess I don't understand so maybe someone can explain this to me.

We have to buy milspec parts for ARs because anything else is crap (even though by definition MilSpec is the minimum acceptable standard) but Wolfe ammo is great even though it isn't milspec.

[aplinker]

Who says you have to do anything?

From a reliability standpoint, which part of the system would you rather be more robust, the machine or the fuel?

I'd rather have a reliable machine that can accept any fuel, especially for a battle rifle. Does that not make sense? If you want something you can count on I think it makes sense to over-engineer the durable good.

I guess I don't understand so maybe someone can explain this to me.

We have to buy milspec parts for ARs because anything else is crap (even though by definition MilSpec is the minimum acceptable standard) but Wolfe ammo is great even though it isn't milspec.