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ricknadine1111
04-10-2008, 5:23 PM
I have been practicing with my milldot master slide card but does anyone know where I can get my ballistics on the amunition I use in my 308 socom?

ricknadine1111
04-10-2008, 5:37 PM
I went to federal ammo and found the info except that it only caculates up to 500 yards for the 175 grain matchking bthp and the 150 grain fmj.

Vu 308
04-10-2008, 5:40 PM
Rick,

how fast is your 175SMK goin? I can run you a drop chart real quick with exbal.

ricknadine1111
04-10-2008, 6:53 PM
Rick,

how fast is your 175SMK goin? I can run you a drop chart real quick with exbal.
velocity per sec. energy in foot lbs.
1803 at 500 yards, 1264 energy foot lbs
1949 at 400, 1476 energy foot lbs
2101 at 300, 1717 energy foot lbs
2262 at 200, 1987 energy foo lbs
2427 at 100, 2290 energy foot lbs
2600 at muzzle, 2627 energy foot lbs

StraightShooter
04-10-2008, 7:41 PM
You can use this (http://www.eskimo.com/~jbm/calculations/traj_basic/traj_basic.html) too.

rksimple
04-10-2008, 7:48 PM
velocity per sec. energy in foot lbs.
1803 at 500 yards, 1264 energy foot lbs
1949 at 400, 1476 energy foot lbs
2101 at 300, 1717 energy foot lbs
2262 at 200, 1987 energy foo lbs
2427 at 100, 2290 energy foot lbs
2600 at muzzle, 2627 energy foot lbs

Thats probably out of a fullsize rifle, not a socom. It will be quite a bit slower out of that short barrel.

Cypriss32
04-10-2008, 8:07 PM
Do you work at Oak Tree by any chance?

Vu 308
04-10-2008, 9:04 PM
SOCOM will probably get 2500FPS tops

Vu 308
04-10-2008, 9:07 PM
(yd) MOA MOA MOA (in) (in)
100 0.00 0.75 2.00 0.0 -0.8
150 1.00 1.00 2.25 -1.6 -1.7
200 2.25 1.50 2.25 -4.9 -3.1
250 3.75 2.00 2.25 -10.1 -5.0
300 5.50 2.25 2.25 -17.2 -7.3
350 7.25 2.75 2.25 -26.5 -10.1
400 9.00 3.25 2.25 -38.1 -13.4
450 11.00 3.75 2.50 -52.2 -17.3
500 13.25 4.25 2.50 -69.0 -21.7
550 15.50 4.75 2.50 -88.7 -26.8
600 17.75 5.25 2.50 -111.6 -32.5
650 20.25 5.75 2.50 -138.0 -38.8
700 23.00 6.25 2.75 -168.0 -45.9
750 25.75 6.75 2.75 -202.1 -53.7
800 28.75 7.50 2.75 -240.5 -62.2
850 31.75 8.00 2.75 -283.7 -71.5
900 35.25 8.75 3.00 -331.9 -81.5
950 38.75 9.25 3.00 -385.6 -92.2
1000 42.50 10.00 3.00 -445.2 -103.7

ricknadine1111
04-10-2008, 11:26 PM
thanks

ar15barrels
04-10-2008, 11:46 PM
Thats probably out of a fullsize rifle, not a socom. It will be quite a bit slower out of that short barrel.

Do you have a good load that duplicates 175 FGMM that I can run through Quickload?

If I go with 43gr of RL15 at 2.800 OAL, QL predicts 2617 from a 24" barrel.
Chopping that barrel back to 16" for the Socom and keeping the same load, it predicts 2382.

In that case, here is a Quicktarget pass:
Tabular trajectory data at Non-Std. Atmosphere
Gunsite altitude : 1500 ft.
Air density : 0.07019 lb./ft³
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gun / Ammunition : .308 Win.
Bullet : .308, 175, Sierra HPBT MatchK 2275
Bullet weight : 175 grains or 11.34 Grams
Muzzle velocity : 2382 fps
Crosswind speed : 10 Mph
Ballistic Coefficient(s) (G1):
C1=0.496@V>2800 fps;
C2=0.487@V>1800 fps;
C3=0.477@V>0 fps;


Optimum trajectory information :
Optimum sight-in range (X) = 183 Yds.
with max. ordinate above LOS at range (M)= 108 Yds.
and max. point blank range (P)= 213 Yds.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sight-in clicks, 1 click = 0.665 cm/100 yd. or 0.262 in/100 yd.
Height of sight above bore axis = 5.0 cm or 1.969 inch
Gun is zeroed-in at 100 yds,
by sighting-in at level firing
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Range Velo Time of Energy Path Deflection Total Sight correction Target
city flight to at crosswind drop for setting new lead
LOS of 10.0 Mph zero range 33 fps
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
·Yards fps s ft.lbs. in. in. MOA in. Clicks MOA yds ·
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| 0 2382 0.0000 2204 -2.0 0.0 ----- 0.0 ------ ----- 0.00
| 50 2302 0.0643 2060 -0.1 0.2 0.45 0.8 +1.2 +0.30 0.70
M 80 2255 0.1040 1977 +0.2 0.6 0.68 2.1 -0.7 -0.17 1.14
X 100 2224 0.1309 1923 0.0 0.9 0.84 3.2 0.0 0.00 1.43
| 150 2148 0.1997 1792 -1.6 1.9 1.20 7.4 +4.1 +1.02 2.18
P 158 2136 0.2109 1772 -2.0 2.1 1.26 8.3 +4.9 +1.22 2.31
| 200 2073 0.2704 1669 -5.0 3.3 1.56 13.5 +9.6 +2.41 2.96
| 250 1999 0.3429 1552 -10.3 4.9 1.88 21.4 +15.9 +3.97 3.75
| 300 1926 0.4188 1442 -17.9 7.2 2.30 31.6 +22.8 +5.71 4.58
| 350 1856 0.4986 1339 -27.9 10.2 2.77 44.2 +30.6 +7.64 5.45
| 400 1787 0.5820 1241 -40.6 13.8 3.28 59.5 +38.9 +9.72 6.36
| 450 1720 0.6686 1150 -56.1 17.9 3.80 77.6 +47.7 +11.92 7.31
| 500 1655 0.7582 1064 -74.5 22.6 4.32 98.6 +57.0 +14.25 8.29
| 550 1591 0.8506 984 -95.9 27.8 4.82 122.6 +66.7 +16.67 9.30
| 600 1530 0.9456 909 -120.4 33.4 5.32 149.8 +76.7 +19.18 10.34
| 650 1470 1.0448 840 -148.6 39.8 5.85 180.6 +87.4 +21.86 11.43
| 700 1415 1.1491 778 -181.4 47.1 6.42 216.0 +99.1 +24.76 12.57
| 750 1363 1.2577 721 -218.7 55.1 7.02 255.9 +111.4 +27.86 13.75
| 800 1313 1.3699 670 -260.5 63.8 7.61 300.3 +124.5 +31.12 14.98
| 850 1266 1.4858 623 -307.2 73.1 8.21 349.7 +138.1 +34.54 16.25
| 900 1224 1.6064 582 -359.7 83.2 8.83 404.8 +152.8 +38.19 17.57
| 950 1185 1.7310 545 -418.2 94.1 9.46 465.9 +168.2 +42.06 18.93
| 1000 1150 1.8595 514 -482.9 105.6 10.08 533.2 +184.5 +46.13 20.34
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
M = Peak vs. L.O.S, X = Set Zero, P = Max. Point Blank Range
Elevation above Angle of Site (0.0 deg.) = 0.0828 deg.

1lostinspace
04-11-2008, 12:10 AM
thanks

27.77 is the formula for estimating range in yards

example

target size 18" covering 2 mill dots

18x27.77=499.86 / 2 mil = 249.93 yards

I hope this makes sense.

wildcard
04-11-2008, 7:58 AM
27.77 is the formula for estimating range in yards

example

target size 18" covering 2 mill dots

18x27.77=499.86 / 2 mil = 249.93 yards

I hope this makes sense.

Just so that people know how you arrived at that magic number:

Range in Yards = Target in inches / 36 X 1000 / Number of MILS

PistolPete75
04-11-2008, 9:40 AM
you guys make it so difficult. easiest and most accurate way is a laser range finder.

Timberwolf
04-11-2008, 9:57 AM
you guys make it so difficult. easiest and most accurate way is a laser range finder.

and when the battery goes dead . . .

its so easy guys just remember - size of target * 27.77 / mils = distance in yards - so easy a caveman can do it

rksimple
04-11-2008, 9:58 AM
you guys make it so difficult. easiest and most accurate way is a laser range finder.

Ditto. When not milling square, reflective targets, its quite inaccurate at extended distances. Heck, just a difference of a few inches in target size can cause enough of a discrepancy to miss.

1lostinspace
04-11-2008, 10:01 AM
Just so that people know how you arrived at that magic number:

Range in Yards = Target in inches / 36 X 1000 / Number of MILS

Well a fellow member on Sniper Hide is currently active in the sandbox and this is the number he was trained on. It allows for fast calculation.

rksimple
04-11-2008, 10:03 AM
and when the battery goes dead . . .

its so easy guys just remember - size of target * 27.77 / mils = distance in yards - so easy a caveman can do it

In the real world its just not as accurate. As part of some sniper classes, they have you go out and measure common things in the town. Curbs, stop signs, doors, etc...things you would think are very standard. They're not. Not at all. Even the 8541's we had instructing us said that a LRF is the way to go and they had numerous personally owned LRFs in the sandbox.

Of course, thats not to say milling is a skill that you don't need to worry about. It'll at least get you close enough to maybe see some splash and put the next one where it needs to be.

wildcard
04-11-2008, 10:14 AM
and when the battery goes dead . . .

its so easy guys just remember - size of target * 27.77 / mils = distance in yards - so easy a caveman can do it

Yup.. I always keep my milling table with me just in case. It's just a piece of paper so why not. It's nice to know the formulas too if you have time to make the calculations and are inclined to do it.

I default to a laser range finder though.

Vu 308
04-11-2008, 10:37 AM
and when the battery goes dead . . .

its so easy guys just remember - size of target * 27.77 / mils = distance in yards - so easy a caveman can do it

Try those bad boys in direct sun light as well...they suck.

Even your bad a55 leica will fail.

Anything short of a Vector will fail in snow or really bright light. Last trip out to the desert we had 5 of them go south. Give us one good reading early in the AM but when the sun was high noon...good luck


All you MIL freaks need to come to the dark side. MOA!!!!!

Size of target / by MOA X a 100....

Measuring in smaller incriments will give you better accuracy. =)

rksimple
04-11-2008, 10:40 AM
Try those bad boys in direct sun light as well...they suck.

Even your bad a55 leica will fail.

Anything short of a Vector will fail in snow or really bright light. Last trip out to the desert we had 5 of them go south. Give us one good reading early in the AM but when the sun was high noon...good luck




BTDT. Bright setting and rising sun and snow. My Leica Geovids were perfect out to the 900 yards we had targets set up. In fact, I think we may still have some snow up in the mountains a few minutes away. Would you be convinced with some pictures?:D

Prc329
04-11-2008, 10:42 AM
BTDT. Bright setting and rising sun and snow. My Leica Geovids were perfect out to the 900 yards we had targets set up. In fact, I think we may still have some snow up in the mountains a few minutes away. Would you be convinced with some pictures?:D

My wallet hurts when ever I think of those.

rksimple
04-11-2008, 10:43 AM
My wallet hurts when ever I think of those.

Luckily they were a gift or I'd never have them!

Timberwolf
04-11-2008, 11:03 AM
Yes I actually broke down and bought a Leica 1200 S - why - - - becuase I got tired of lugging Savannah all around at APS to get distances for COFs since the POS Bushnell 400 wouldn't give me much over 250 yards. As a side note I understand LRFs are the way to go and I don't knock 'em but milling doesn't worry about light conditions, battery life, etc. Practice does make perfect, believe me I know. As anyone who's attended my matches can attest my milled yardages are normally pretty close (no more than 15 or so yards) off what someone using a LRF ranges and thats with a std Army mildot. Of course I know the size of the targets too.

Vu 308
04-11-2008, 11:23 AM
BTDT. Bright setting and rising sun and snow. My Leica Geovids were perfect out to the 900 yards we had targets set up. In fact, I think we may still have some snow up in the mountains a few minutes away. Would you be convinced with some pictures?:D


Pictures don't do much for me to be honest. Not saying your 1700.00 piece of glass won't work but I've seen them fail also. A buddy of mine has Geovids and we had them fail in extreme cold as well..wouldnt even range a target 100yards out. After he left them in the car for a while to warm them back up they were fine.

What size target were you ranging with those? We were hitting 12" pieces of steel.

rksimple
04-11-2008, 11:34 AM
Pictures don't do much for me to be honest. Not saying your 1700.00 piece of glass won't work but I've seen them fail also. A buddy of mine has Geovids and we had them fail in extreme cold as well..wouldnt even range a target 100yards out. After he left them in the car for a while to warm them back up they were fine.

What size target were you ranging with those? We were hitting 12" pieces of steel.

At 900 was my 2/3 size IPSC steel. Doesn't matter too much as it will range dirt on the side of a hill.

I've used the Leicas for a couple years now. I only recently got my own pair, but had used my FIL's set before that. We've used them hunting in all conditions (20 and under is cold up here, extreme cold is single digits), got 'em rained on, dropped 'em, ranged in bright sun to dark, snow, light fog, etc. They just flat work. I was lasing everything I could trying his out and he still hasn't had to replace the battery. They've proven themselves for me. Thats not saying they won't fail, but hey, my S&B could fail too. The likelyhood of either failing is quite slim, however. I just need an extra battery.

Timberwolf
04-11-2008, 12:20 PM
FWIW I've used Ryan's Geovids at APS and was ranging the side of a dirt hill at 840 yards in the bright morning sun with no problems, they're so fast they're scarey. That said if the 1200S I just got does 1/2 as well I'll be more than satisfied. Can't wait until tomorrow when I can try them out - still don't know if I can get used to not carrying my rifle when I lay out the COFs. ;)

guns_and_labs
04-11-2008, 1:02 PM
I broke down and bought some Geovids last season, and have yet to find anything they can't target. Dark, light, sun, rain, beach, snow... everything.

But I still practice with the mildots.

PistolPete75
04-11-2008, 5:01 PM
and when the battery goes dead . . .

its so easy guys just remember - size of target * 27.77 / mils = distance in yards - so easy a caveman can do it

and when the battery goes dead, stick your spare battery in it. if that fails, then mill it. the battery is supposed to be good for like a thousand times.

MarcS
04-11-2008, 5:09 PM
Using my mils to come up with range to target is not something I'm very good at. I see it as something that I will always need to work on I guess. Mainly because I don't want to give up points at matches where it's a required part of a stage.

Marc

Timberwolf
04-11-2008, 5:17 PM
Seeing this reminds me - its a sign of the times - machines are replacing brain power - how many of you gays can still do long math as opposed to pulling out a calc and how many of you (under the age of say 40) actually know how to use a slide rule.

Cypriss32
04-11-2008, 5:18 PM
Theres a 7-11 at every corner, you can buy batteries there.

rksimple
04-11-2008, 5:44 PM
Seeing this reminds me - its a sign of the times - machines are replacing brain power - how many of you gays can still do long math as opposed to pulling out a calc and how many of you (under the age of say 40) actually know how to use a slide rule.

Sign of the times? Maybe a little bit. I can still do long division and multiplication...heck, I still remember some calculus.

Knowing how to mil is a skill that every rifleman should know. Its essential when everything else fails. But I don't think we should spend too much time on it while there are many other aspects of long range shooting that make a much bigger difference.

rksimple
04-11-2008, 5:56 PM
FWIW, I just got back from shooting in the bright sun of my favorite desert spot. A nice 80 degrees and a switchy tailwind. 820 yards to the bush. 808 to the dirt in front of the target. Target read 812. Had a target at 600 but the first round hit the bolt in the center dropping it. Field Firing Solutions works pretty well. So do the geovids.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b82/rksimple/IMG_8570.jpg

Couldn't get all 3 numbers to show up on the camera, even though they were visible to the eye.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b82/rksimple/IMG_8577.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b82/rksimple/IMG_8569.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b82/rksimple/IMG_8578.jpg

aplinker
04-11-2008, 6:36 PM
Seeing this reminds me - its a sign of the times - machines are replacing brain power - how many of you gays can still do long math as opposed to pulling out a calc and how many of you (under the age of say 40) actually know how to use a slide rule.

Unlike Ryan, I'm not going to admit to being one of those "gays." :D

I can use a slide rule, but only because when I was 10 I found one and made my pops teach me. A slide rule is still a tool, just like a calculator, just like paper/pencil, just like mil-dots. If you wanted to take all technology out of shooting we'd go back to irons and spotter. Heck, no technology would mean no rifle, and we'd be throwing spears.

It does make sense to know how to range with your reticle. I do it all the time on known distance targets just to see if I can do it correctly. Sometimes I'm way off and realize I forgot to adjust my scope to the ranging magnification :)

PistolPete75
04-11-2008, 6:37 PM
the only thing i don't like about milling is that the size of the target has to be known. plus the time issue. it's so much easier to aim and press a button rather then figure how big the target is and how many mills the target is.

and besides, how many guys know how to use an abacus? hmmmm. i learned how to use one in the 4th grade. the simplicity in using a laser rangefinder is the easiest way to go.

i bet in the next few years, high end scopes will have an optional laser range finder built in. it's only a matter of time.

PistolPete75
04-11-2008, 6:52 PM
FWIW, I just got back from shooting in the bright sun of my favorite desert spot. A nice 80 degrees and a switchy tailwind. 820 yards to the bush. 808 to the dirt in front of the target. Target read 812. Had a target at 600 but the first round hit the bolt in the center dropping it. Field Firing Solutions works pretty well. So do the geovids.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b82/rksimple/IMG_8570.jpg

Couldn't get all 3 numbers to show up on the camera, even though they were visible to the eye.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b82/rksimple/IMG_8577.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b82/rksimple/IMG_8569.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b82/rksimple/IMG_8578.jpg

nice photography, you have alot of nice gear in that last photo. looks about 10k right there. how accurate is that ballistics program? are you getting center mass hits on all your shots past 600yards with that software? jbm seems to be a little off past 600yards.

Pthfndr
04-11-2008, 7:12 PM
Any of you who are coming up to the big Norcal match better know how to range a target using only your scope (no LRF allowed for some stages), and be able to do it accurately. To within +/- 5 yards at distances out to 600 yards. It's a big part of the points total.

guns_and_labs
04-11-2008, 7:12 PM
Seeing this reminds me - its a sign of the times - machines are replacing brain power - how many of you gays can still do long math as opposed to pulling out a calc and how many of you (under the age of say 40) actually know how to use a slide rule.


I not only know how, I still have my slide rule, my slide rule holster and my pocket protector. I have an abacus to balance my checkbook. I used to hold the record for inverting a matrix with pencil and paper at my little college on the Charles River.

But I use a LRF.

Tools have evolved. Shouldn't we?

PistolPete75
04-11-2008, 7:14 PM
Any of you who are coming up to the big Norcal match better know how to range a target using only your scope (no LRF allowed for some stages), and be able to do it accurately. To within +/- 5 yards at distances out to 600 yards. It's a big part of the points total.

good looking out. i never shot in a match that required to mill targets out. are the targets' size given or is that unknown also?

rksimple
04-11-2008, 7:15 PM
The program worked pretty well for knowing only my approximate MV. I used my 45.0 gr RL15 load and let it sit in the sun. Also let it sit in the hot chamber for a bit. I got just a little bit of ejector flow. So I'm going to cut it back to 44.5 for about 2850fps. Better safe than sorry.

Anyway, the program will be even more accurate when I get a more exact MV as well as some serious data out to 8, 9, and 1000 yards. I can input all the conditions and real world dope data and the program will learn the bullet. All future predictions will be based off of the actual data. Its pretty cool. Its free for 30 days so I figure I can't lose. Also cheaper than atrag I think. Lots of cool little features you'd have to see.

PistolPete75
04-11-2008, 7:19 PM
The program worked pretty well for knowing only my approximate MV. I used my 45.0 gr RL15 load and let it sit in the sun. Also let it sit in the hot chamber for a bit. I got just a little bit of ejector flow. So I'm going to cut it back to 44.5 for about 2850fps. Better safe than sorry.

Anyway, the program will be even more accurate when I get a more exact MV as well as some serious data out to 8, 9, and 1000 yards. I can input all the conditions and real world dope data and the program will learn the bullet. All future predictions will be based off of the actual data. Its pretty cool. Its free for 30 days so I figure I can't lose. Also cheaper than atrag I think. Lots of cool little features you'd have to see.

sounds real nice. I need to go shooting with you out there. I need hard data at 700-1k.

rksimple
04-11-2008, 7:20 PM
Any of you who are coming up to the big Norcal match better know how to range a target using only your scope (no LRF allowed for some stages), and be able to do it accurately. To within +/- 5 yards at distances out to 600 yards. It's a big part of the points total.

Didn't the last one involve that? And how many did it well?

rksimple
04-11-2008, 7:22 PM
Unlike Ryan, I'm not going to admit to being one of those "gays." :D



Dangit! I just realized the mistake. Now it makes more sense.

PistolPete75
04-11-2008, 7:45 PM
ya ryan we're gay...hehehe. funny thing with competitive shooters, everyone always takes it soooo seriously. it's not like we do this for a living thank God. i wouldn't have the patience to wait for a target for days. what would happen if you had diarehea? imagine that!

Cypriss32
04-11-2008, 8:03 PM
[QUOTE=PistolPete75;1132205]ya ryan we're gay...[QUOTE]

I thought when I first met you Pete!

hahah dont shoot me please!

wildcard
04-11-2008, 8:19 PM
ya ryan we're gay...hehehe. funny thing with competitive shooters, everyone always takes it soooo seriously. it's not like we do this for a living thank God. i wouldn't have the patience to wait for a target for days. what would happen if you had diarehea? imagine that!

You and your diarrhea..

Pthfndr
04-11-2008, 8:20 PM
Didn't the last one involve that? And how many did it well?

IIRC, less than 10 people got 50% or more accurate enough to get points.

I did it :D

PistolPete75
04-11-2008, 8:22 PM
[QUOTE=PistolPete75;1132205]ya ryan we're gay...[QUOTE]

I thought when I first met you Pete!

hahah dont shoot me please!

no offense taken. i am secure of my manhood.

PistolPete75
04-11-2008, 8:25 PM
You and your diarrhea..

so seriously. think about it. imagine you were a sniper sitting in the middle of no where. your close enough to your target, so you just wait it out till the right time comes along. then you get a bad case of diarehea. omfg. what would you do? let it go, hold it in? c'mon this has to be in a military sniper book somewhere.

#1, let it go and **** on yourself. it's possible to have more bugs crawl on you and eat your skin. guards might smell your ****, or better yet hear you **** and capture you or shoot you.

#2 hold it in. but for how long is this possible? how long have you guys tried to hold in your direahea? i mean a bad case of it.

#3 back track to find a place to **** and possibly get caught or worse loose your chance on hitting your target.

MarcS
04-11-2008, 10:17 PM
Dude that's nasty. Almost as nasty as a scuba diving story I could tell you involving a similar situation but 80 feet underwater in a wetsuit. BAD DEAL. Glad it wasn't me.

Brian Sain has a funny story about being in a ladies house with his spotter in the upstairs bedroom window. They were watching a guy with a hostage or something in the house across the street. The lady offers them cookies and some very strong coffee then leaves to take the kids to school. The coffee started working on them both right there while they were all dressed up in their ninja sniperfoo outfits. Fortunately the bathroom was right down the hall.

Marc

Timberwolf
04-11-2008, 10:42 PM
I certainly believe in using the modern tools available - my point was that I often wonder how many times people have substituted technology for know how.

Timberwolf
04-11-2008, 10:43 PM
good looking out. i never shot in a match that required to mill targets out. are the targets' size given or is that unknown also?

You'll get your chance sooner than you think

PistolPete75
04-11-2008, 10:46 PM
You'll get your chance sooner than you think

i got to learn to keep my mouth shut. i think i'll write the formula down in my book.

as for the bowel movement stories, i am known to share some stories. you should have seen what happened to me a few months ago when i had the stomache flu or a case of food poisening. there was some nasty stuff going on. :D it's friday!

ar15barrels
04-11-2008, 11:46 PM
Try those bad boys in direct sun light as well...they suck.

Even your bad a55 leica will fail.

My Leica CRF1200 was ranging targets to 1350 in direct sunlight.
As the sun went down, it was not able to range as far though.
Maybe it was just me not being able to hold it as steady after a long day shooting...

ar15barrels
04-11-2008, 11:52 PM
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b82/rksimple/IMG_8578.jpg

Nice bricks.
Do you carry those with you, or leave them in your favorite spot? ;)

ar15barrels
04-11-2008, 11:55 PM
jbm seems to be a little off past 600yards.

I think it might have to do with only using 1 BC figure.
BC's change with velocity, which obviously changes with distance.
If you can't keep track of the BC over distance, you can't really estimate where the bullet should be as accurately.
It will be a problem where the accuracy of the software gets worse and worse with distance.
What some will do is tweak the inputs to match their hard dope.
This does not work as well because the midrange results will be skewed.

rksimple
04-11-2008, 11:55 PM
Nice bricks.
Do you carry those with you, or leave them in your favorite spot? ;)

They just happened to be there. I think I used them last time I was there with my savage. I found an ammo case and a few FC cases out there as well. I think Jason might have missed them.

ar15barrels
04-11-2008, 11:58 PM
ya ryan we're gay...

I thought when I first met you Pete!

You too?

ar15barrels
04-12-2008, 12:01 AM
so seriously. think about it. imagine you were a sniper sitting in the middle of no where. your close enough to your target, so you just wait it out till the right time comes along. then you get a bad case of diarehea. omfg. what would you do? let it go, hold it in?

What's with this diarehea fixation?
I thought you got over that.

ar15barrels
04-12-2008, 12:02 AM
Almost as nasty as a scuba diving story I could tell you involving a similar situation but 80 feet underwater in a wetsuit. BAD DEAL.

When I got certified, our instructor insisted that we do our business before suiting up. ;)

1lostinspace
04-13-2008, 9:57 AM
FWIW, I just got back from shooting in the bright sun of my favorite desert spot. A nice 80 degrees and a switchy tailwind. 820 yards to the bush. 808 to the dirt in front of the target. Target read 812. Had a target at 600 but the first round hit the bolt in the center dropping it. Field Firing Solutions works pretty well. So do the geovids.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b82/rksimple/IMG_8570.jpg

Couldn't get all 3 numbers to show up on the camera, even though they were visible to the eye.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b82/rksimple/IMG_8577.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b82/rksimple/IMG_8569.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b82/rksimple/IMG_8578.jpg

Man your a young looking guy

rksimple
04-13-2008, 10:01 AM
Man your a young looking guy

Its astounding I could see over the steering wheel to get out there. Its also difficult to maneuver the rifle as its twice my height and about what I weigh.:D

My little boy loves gettin' behind the rifle every chance he gets. He can even name all the parts on the rifle. I guarantee he'll be the only one in preschool to know what an AICS is.

PistolPete75
04-13-2008, 10:19 AM
ryan's kid is at the perfect age to go shooting. i remember my first time shooting in fifth grade with my italian uncle. he used to have a tommy gun in his collection.

i'm sure your kid will be one hell of a shooter.

and as the post for me acting gay. funny, i never got that from anyone else including gays. i usually come off "rough around the edges"

ar15barrels
04-13-2008, 5:14 PM
i usually come off "rough around the edges"

Everytime I see you, your shirt has buttons. ;)
Everytime anyone sees me, my shirt has grease.

Cypriss32
04-13-2008, 5:17 PM
It was just a joke pete, take it easy. I dont want to talk out my front door and have to sprint to my car everyday in fear of you...

rksimple
04-13-2008, 5:40 PM
It was just a joke pete, take it easy. I dont want to talk out my front door and have to sprint to my car everyday in fear of you...

Zig zag...bob and weave...

Timberwolf
04-13-2008, 8:43 PM
It was just a joke pete, take it easy. I dont want to talk out my front door and have to sprint to my car everyday in fear of you...

Time to low crawl and fast - be good practice for up coming matches - just keep your butt down :D

Cypriss32
04-13-2008, 9:34 PM
LOL....... You make me laugh.... You working the next few weekends? Im going to pick up the werewolf next sunday.

Timberwolf
04-13-2008, 9:44 PM
I'll be working every weekend until further notice

PistolPete75
04-15-2008, 10:19 AM
adam- It was just a joke pete, take it easy. I dont want to talk out my front door and have to sprint to my car everyday in fear of you...QUOTE]

mayby you need a good spanking :p

ar15barrels
04-15-2008, 10:23 AM
mayby you need a good spanking :p

Are you going to bring your fine collection of bondage equipment and your gimp over?

PistolPete75
04-15-2008, 10:31 AM
Are you going to bring your fine collection of bondage equipment and your gimp over?


I got some azz beads for Adam. :eek:

ar15barrels
04-15-2008, 10:44 AM
I got some azz beads for Adam. :eek:

:rofl2: :eek:

wildcard
04-15-2008, 10:56 AM
I leave for a few days and this is what happens? Well i'll be in FL for another 2 days.. i miss the smell of burning powder!

ar15barrels
04-15-2008, 11:08 AM
I leave for a few days and this is what happens? Well i'll be in FL for another 2 days.

So last night I am laying in my hotel room, surfing calguns, and my boss calls me to ask if I want to fly home for two days and then fly back up to las vegas for the last day of the show and tear-down.
My response took all of about 0.3 seconds.
So I got the last flight out at 9:30pm.
There were strippers flying back to LA too. :)

Cypriss32
04-15-2008, 3:05 PM
OMFG Pete STAY AWAY FROM ME!!! AHHHHHHH RUN!

ar15barrels
04-15-2008, 3:21 PM
OMFG Pete STAY AWAY FROM ME!!! AHHHHHHH RUN!

Maybe now we know why he has issues with the diarrhea...
He needs to take it easy with those beads. ;)

DON AUGUSTINE
04-15-2008, 6:08 PM
rksimple
bring your son to a match-my son would love to see and shoot with someone his age
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll57/Kopfjager1/100_0446.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll57/Kopfjager1/100_0447.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll57/Kopfjager1/059.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll57/Kopfjager1/063.jpg

rksimple
04-15-2008, 8:43 PM
Don-nice pics. I remember you bringing your son to one of the APS matches last year. He seemed to do pretty well. I may bring my little guy to one this year. He'd get a kick out of it.

PistolPete75
04-16-2008, 9:18 AM
Maybe now we know why he has issues with the diarrhea...
He needs to take it easy with those beads. ;)


dude i was just playing around with y'all. shees.

but if i eat too much ice cream or milk, i'm going to have some issues.

Timberwolf
04-16-2008, 9:21 AM
dude i was just playing around with y'all. shees.

but if i eat too much ice cream or milk, i'm going to have some issues.

TMI - no dairy products for you

PistolPete75
04-16-2008, 9:22 AM
yep, but i can't stay away from ice cream and cereal. i just can't eat too much at one time. i couldn't live without eatting ice cream. it's a part of my natural dietary habit.

ar15barrels
04-16-2008, 9:45 AM
TMI - no dairy products for you

No, give him lots of dairy about half way through the day and his last couple stages will include some movement/running...

Blood Dog
08-04-2008, 9:09 AM
I'm new at using mildot for long range with no range finder. Anyone have any tips?

ar15barrels
08-04-2008, 9:10 AM
I'm new at using mildot for long range. Anyone have any tips?

Get a mildot master.
Play with it.
Take it shooting or just sit on your front porch and mil things up and down the street.
Stop signs are 30" tall.
Most car tires are 28" tall.
Average male is nearly 6' tall.

wildcard
08-04-2008, 9:12 AM
Get a mildot master.


I always figured "Master" was a rank.. I consider myself a Mildot Sensei.

ar15barrels
08-04-2008, 9:21 AM
I'm new at using mildot for long range with no range finder. Anyone have any tips?

Then you need to know the size of the object you are measuring and the mildot master will calculate the distance.
Make sure you have the scope on the proper power that the reticle is calibrated at.

Blood Dog
08-04-2008, 9:25 AM
Where can I get a Milldot Master

rksimple
08-04-2008, 9:29 AM
Get a mildot master.
Play with it.
Take it shooting or just sit on your front porch and mil things up and down the street.
Stop signs are 30" tall.
Most car tires are 28" tall.
Average male is nearly 6' tall.

In a class I took, they had us go around the town and measure these items that were "supposed" to be standardized. Curbs, doorframes, stop signs, various street signs, etc. There was no recognizable standard. It sucked. Nonetheless, working through the math involved will undoubtedly help a beginner.

Novadesigns
08-04-2008, 9:33 AM
Where can I get a Milldot Master

Right here...

http://www.mildot.com/index.htm