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04-09-2008, 7:09 AM
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CALNRA: AB 2062 Passes, GOP Charges Rules Violation
4/9/2008 6:30 AM - PLEASE DISTRIBUTE WIDELY

AB 2062 - AMMUNITION SALES RESTRICTIONS
On 4/8/2008, AB2062 was passed by the Assembly Public Safety Committee over the objection of Assemblyman Greg Aghazarian. Assemblyman Aghazarian noted that AB2062 violates Joint Rule 54 (c). This rule prohibits a legislator from authoring a bill that is substantially the same as a bill that he or she previously authored in the same two-year session. Assemblyman Aghazarian moved to refer AB2062 to the Assembly Rules Committee for a formal determination of it's fate.

For more information, requested actions and contact information, please visit the related NRA Members' Councils of California CAL-ERT at...
http://calnra.com/calerts/calert040808.shtml

For the latest on-going information regarding AB 2062:
http://calnra.com/legs.shtml?year=2008&summary=ab2062

For other California legislative updates, please visit:
http://calnra.com/legs.shtml

H Paul Payne
04-09-2008, 7:41 AM
Please act now!

Read the CAL-ERT at http://calnra.com/calerts/calert040808.shtml and follow through with the ACTION REQUESTED items.

It is important that the Rules Committee receives lots of phone calls, from Californians, in support of Assemblyman Aghazarian's Joint Rule 54 (c) motion.

It is also important to call Assemblyman Aghazarian and THANK HIM for making this motion. Most of you will never know how frustrating it was to be told by several "pro-gun" legislators that THEY were unwilling to make the 54 (c) motion.

Obviously, Assemblyman Aghazarian did the right thing and he should know that he is not alone.

As you will see on the most recent CAL-ERT, there are also links to the contact information for the entire Assembly as well as links to the ONE-CLICK email system. Please feel free to put them to good use. ;)

Regarding NRA's latest alerts/updates: We recently have been distributing NRA alerts via the California Alert System (CAL-ERTs) as you can see by the message above. If you have not already received the CAL-ERT in your own email, you are not subscribed, but should be!

If you are not currently subscribed to CAL-ERTs, I urge you to take a moment and do so. Go to http://e-govmail.com/cgi-bin/subscribe.cgi?to=nramemberscouncils.com and fill in the blanks. It's that easy and FREE. In the future, if you wish to change your email address, update your contact information, or un-subscribe, you can simply logon and do so without any trouble.

This legislative session is proving to be quite challenging and we would like you to be kept up-to-date with all that is happening, in a timely manner. The only way for this to happen, is for you to receive NRA information while it is still relevant. CAL-ERTs is one of the tools we use to accomplish this task.

Feel free to forward this message to anyone you think can benefit from being connected to NRA's California network.

Paul

deebix
04-09-2008, 8:13 AM
called and gave his secretary a thank you message.

WokMaster1
04-09-2008, 8:40 AM
Mods, this needs to be stickied, please for more exposure & action.Thanks.

Ironchef
04-09-2008, 8:48 AM
Sooooo....this is now law? or do we wait until after the 54c motion?

So this will start July 1, 2009? So we'll expect ammo prices to slowly increase until then since it'll cost retailers considerably to apply for their permits to sell, their new system to report sales of ammo (a whopping 50 rds per month per person), and of course the $3 "tax" on ammo. And I'm sure Walmart will just lay over and follow suit.

And gun shows? No more handgun ammo there now. I'm guessing it's lawful to "acquire/own" as many rounds per month as I want, as long as I don't buy it in the state? I didn't see any restrictions for ownership of ammo, just buying it.

If I'm found with 1000 rounds of ammo in my home, do i need to show a receipt of purchase with a date reflecting before this legislation became law?

Trips to Reno, here I come!!

fuegoslow
04-09-2008, 9:03 AM
Anyone know how this will affect reloaders? :helpsmilie:

Will components to reload be under the same jurisdiction?

Librarian
04-09-2008, 9:05 AM
Sooooo....this is now law? or do we wait until after the 54c motion?

Jeez, no!

If it passes at all stages:

More Assembly committee hearings,
then Assembly full house vote;
off to the Senate - more committee hearings and votes,
then to full Senate for a vote.
Back to Assembly for concurrent approval of Senate amendments.
Then to Governor.

Ironchef
04-09-2008, 9:12 AM
Jeez, no!

If it passes at all stages:

More Assembly committee hearings,
then Assembly full house vote;
off to the Senate - more committee hearings and votes,
then to full Senate for a vote.
Back to Assembly for concurrent approval of Senate amendments.
Then to Governor.


Oh, duh. Thanks. I didn't realize it was like legislation in the US House. Of course i don't take any comfort in Arnold vetoing it if it makes his desk, but it's good that it'll take a while..at least as long as the SCOTUS 2A ruling..hopefully making it an infringing legislation to be thrown out.

WokMaster1
04-09-2008, 9:50 AM
Oh, duh. Thanks. I didn't realize it was like legislation in the US House. Of course i don't take any comfort in Arnold vetoing it if it makes his desk, but it's good that it'll take a while..at least as long as the SCOTUS 2A ruling..hopefully making it an infringing legislation to be thrown out.

Let's not count on anything except beating it to the ground,...gone forever... Why give it any traction. Kill it before it mutates to something else.

Ironchef
04-09-2008, 11:33 AM
I just realized this doesn't limit permit-based sales to 50 rds a month, just private sales/transfers. Derrrrr...

mymonkeyman
04-09-2008, 11:37 AM
I just realized this doesn't limit permit-based sales to 50 rds a month, just private sales/transfers. Derrrrr...

Which makes it even more ridiculous. Your average gangster doesn't need more than 50 rounds a month. It's really targeted at legitimate target, hunting, and sport shooters.

sbjmg
04-09-2008, 1:30 PM
Below is a list of all the members of the Rules Committee.

Please contact them individually as well as calling the general line for the Assembly Rules committee at 916-319-2800.

Urge them to take this up and knock it down.

Ted W. Lieu - Chair

Dem-53 (916) 319-2053 Assemblymember.Lieu@assembly.ca.gov

Sam Blakeslee - Vice Chair

Rep-33 (916) 319-2033 Assemblymember.blakeslee@assembly.ca.gov

Anthony Adams

Rep-59 (916) 319-2059 Assemblymember.Adams@assembly.ca.gov

Greg Aghazarian

Rep-26 (916) 319-2026 Assemblymember.aghazarian@assembly.ca.gov

John J. Benoit

Rep-64 (916) 319-2064 Assemblymember.benoit@assembly.ca.gov

Wilmer Amina Carter

Dem-62 (916) 319-2062 Assemblymember.Carter@assembly.ca.gov

Mike Davis

Dem-48 (916) 319-2048 Assemblymember.Davis@assembly.ca.gov

Felipe Fuentes

Dem-39 (916) 319-2039 Assemblymember.fuentes@assembly.ca.gov

Paul Krekorian

Dem-43 (916) 319-2043 Assemblymember.Krekorian@assembly.ca.gov

Tony Mendoza

Dem-56 (916) 319-2056 Assemblymember.Mendoza@assembly.ca.gov

Loni Hancock - Dem. Alternate

Dem-14 (916) 319-2014 Assemblymember.hancock@assembly.ca.gov

Todd Spitzer - Rep. Alternate

Rep-71 (916) 319-2071 Assemblymember.spitzer@assembly.ca.gov

jjperl
04-09-2008, 2:46 PM
Just called the rules committee, and they said they are keeping track. Keep the phone ringing!

oaklander
04-09-2008, 3:03 PM
Made phone calls.

Everyone - please call - they do take notice of the calls.

chris
04-09-2008, 4:14 PM
what did i say. i told you guys these people do not care about the rules. it's about their agenda to take all firearms away. these guys don't care. we will fight but in the end they make the rules. good luck into getting this bill to stop since the F***** liberals own all the fricken committees!.

DedEye
04-09-2008, 4:19 PM
I called all of them as well.

AggregatVier
04-09-2008, 6:17 PM
I work during the day in a cell dead zone. My Federal employer would take a dim view of my phoning the State government during the day for anything other than official business. I think email is a delete, delete, delete non-option. How is this working out calling after hours? Is there a letter generating service - i.e., you type your choices, pay the fees, and they send a hardcopy? Or is old school send-a-letter still the best? Thanks!

H Paul Payne
04-09-2008, 7:10 PM
I think email is a delete, delete, delete non-option. How is this working out calling after hours? Is there a letter generating service - i.e., you type your choices, pay the fees, and they send a hardcopy? Or is old school send-a-letter still the best? Thanks!

Sorry. I just had to reply to this one. :rolleyes:

I wrote the following article a few years ago, and I believe it is as relevant now, as it was then. http://www.calnra.com/tip-email.shtml

===========================

IS ELECTRONIC MAIL A USEFUL LOBBYING TOOL, OR JUST A WASTE OF TIME?

Examining the myth about using email to an effective grassroots lobbying tool
By H. Paul Payne (http://www.calnra.com/msg/index.shtml),
While traveling from meeting to meeting, spreading the NRA message that we all must join together in support of our Second Amendment freedoms, I have been frequently asked which medium has the best effect on persuading legislators to vote in support of the Second Amendment. My answer has been simple and consistent: “Whichever one that you will use!”

Experience has shown me that all methods (phone calls, faxes, email, personal visits, hand-written letters, etc.) are effective as long as we take the time to make contact. If we fail to let our representatives know our views, then we are doomed to failure. So, when prompted by an NRA alert, use whatever method you have available so that your voice will be heard in our fight for freedom.

But for years I have heard that sending email to legislators is a complete waste of time. I could not disagree more! This myth has been spread by many sources and has seemed to achieve varying degrees of believability among our members. I hope to dispel this myth right now.

As you can probably tell, I strongly support the use of email as a lobbying tool. That is because it works! It doesn’t make sense to waste time and effort on something that doesn’t work! But ask yourself, “Why would someone tell you that using email doesn’t work?” Maybe they have a reason.

Some of the advantages of electronic mail are that it is:
Free, easy, and fast
Leaves a record that is verifiable
Allows almost anyone at any distance to contact their legislators
It is a commonly acceptable form of communication in today’s modern worldSome of the dis-advantages (as viewed by others) of electronic mail are that:
Legislative staff must deal with people that would not otherwise be able to contact them
Political consultants and mail houses do not make money in the same way that they would if “direct mail” campaigns and lobbying were done
Groups with email systems and technology inferior to that of the NRA might feel that NRA has an advantage in the defense of our freedoms While it is true the NRA in California has developed some of the most effective email technologies, we are continuing to benefit from new and more effective strategic uses of this technology. Our “focused effort method” has proven to be an extremely effective tactic when used by our dedicated membership.

Some tips to make your email efforts more effective by multiplying your efforts:
Send your email to all legislators that are suggested in the NRA alert·If they complain that they are not your legislator, inform them that you will continue to contact them as long as they continue to vote on Second Amendment issues that affect you
· When prompted by an NRA alert, use the NRA Members’ Council “One Click” email system
· After writing your email (but before sending it), print it out and sign it, then send your email.
·If you have a fax machine, fax a signed copy
·In either case, mail the printed and signed copies to the targeted legislators

In conclusion, don’t hesitate to make phone calls, send faxes, write letters, and visit your representatives about pending Second Amendment legislation. But if you subscribe to the NRA’s alerts and contact the legislators when prompted, your emails will continue to have a tremendous affect in the legislature and the NRA will be successful in the defense of our Second Amendment freedoms. The most current NRA legislative efforts in California can be found at: http://www.nramemberscouncils.com/legs.shtml (http://www.nramemberscouncils.com/legs.shtml) .

© 1999/2008 H. Paul Payne, All Rights Reserved.

PzKfW
04-09-2008, 8:30 PM
Called every assemblyman/woman and let them know how rediculous this was. I spoke personally to assemblyman John J. Benoit, who was answering phones at 9pm!

robitrocks
04-10-2008, 9:39 AM
Called all of them as well.

Pointcrossed
04-10-2008, 10:30 PM
I am a little tired so just bear with my rant and if though it all I really appreciate your time for reading it...

This just goes to show us all that we are mere "sheep" and when the guns are getting banned they will have control and will be able to just round us all up and control us to the point of execution like governments have done since the beginning of time. This is why we have the 2nd Amendment in writing. Do Liberal Americans understand this?

Maybe some of us have not read about a guy named Adolph Hitler but his big thing was gun control. He used it to oppress and perform atrocities against humanity. It has happened many times and in the past 20 years around and world so this issue will never go away. California is not too far off from this becoming a reality as well.

We are still debating to keep our guns but losing to liberal politicians that have minimal knowledge of world history and the humanities of the world and because we are in California they think it makes us safe and immune from the atrocities evil and cruelty that humans do to each other. Liberals think this way because they want to protect their children from danger and evil, and most of them that are christian and take their children to Church and recite Psalm 23 and don't even know what they are saying or think about its meaning. I don't blame them for protecting their children, but educating them is protecting them too, not telling them guns are just bad and kill people; how about saying that they save lives lives of good people and maybe your life in the future.

I don't know what it is, but do most politicians think honest hard working, law abiding, tax paying citizens of this great nation are bad? I wonder if all those politicians that got caught or did not get caught yet doing drugs, getting a BJ, paying for strippers and escorts with our tax money giving themselves raises think in any way that they are good honest law abiding citizens. We better all wake up soon and do something before it is too late for us and our children.

Just my $0.02 (which actually cost more to make than the value of the coins)

Thanks for reading, Goodnight!

hoffmang
04-10-2008, 10:41 PM
This is why we have the 2nd Amendment in writing. Do Liberal Americans understand this?


We all agree with your sentiment, we do. But some of us have to face the brass tacks of who is picking up the bill. Even the founders had that issue. They ran up a little debt and thanks to Hamilton we handled that well.

So, my point is this. Beating these proposals in the legislature before they become laws is WAY CHEAPER than running a Federal Lawsuit through three cases at $50K to $100K per case. Please, please, please take the 15 minutes out of your day to call, email, write, or fax or do some group of the aforementioned? It's so much cheaper and take less time than even eating lunch.

-Gene

TrailerparkTrash
04-12-2008, 12:19 PM
God, I'm soooooo sick and tired of the CA legislators! I hate them all! They are all so high on regulating firearms out of their "subject's" (you and me) hands, that they don't care how it's done.

JOEKILLA
04-12-2008, 8:58 PM
Please, please, please take the 15 minutes out of your day to call, email, write, or fax or do some group of the aforementioned? It's so much cheaper and take less time than even eating lunch.

-Gene

I agree, lets use our hatred, towards these legislators, to motivate ourselves to call, email, write and fax.

Decoligny
04-13-2008, 1:03 PM
Just called them all, several had full mailboxes. Spoke with Assemblyman Mike Davis at 1:45 on a Sunday. He seemed unaware of the content of the bill. I explained it to him and he then asked if my only concern was the limit on the amount of ammo, and if I was okay with the requirement for a permit. I told him emphatically, not only no, but hell no. The entire bill is an infringement upon our sencond amendment right and is nothing more than a grab at more of the taxpayers money combined with an attempt to keep law abiding citizens from exercising their 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms.

crazy69xxx
04-13-2008, 10:32 PM
This link is for feedback to Deleon on the AB 2062 Bill.
http://www.assembly.ca.gov/acs/legcomment/legcomment.asp?bill_number=ab_2062&author=de_leon
I felt he needed to hear directly from me.
The failing dollar, rising food and fuel costs are issues they should be focusing on.

STIforme
04-26-2008, 6:32 PM
I intend to call as many of them as I have time for. Also, I will make sure to thank Assemblyman Greg Aghazarian for his objection (I hope to get it done in person over the phone!)

How does this tie in to reloading! Anyone know? If it passes (GOD forbid), will we still have access to Montana Gold and Zero bullets in bulk? Powder?
Anyone who knows please respond!

Hope we don't have to deal with this! This state is really going down s**t hill without any brakes :mad:

AngelDecoys
04-26-2008, 6:49 PM
It is also important to call Assemblyman Aghazarian and THANK HIM for making this motion. Most of you will never know how frustrating it was to be told by several "pro-gun" legislators that THEY were unwilling to make the 54 (c) motion.

Obviously, Assemblyman Aghazarian did the right thing and he should know that he is not alone.

Paul

Paul. Assembymen Aghazarian (Greg) is a great guy. Very much a 2nd supporter and one who does the right thing. Someone I donate quite a bit of time supporting. Have done so for years. The emails are great. Sending letters are great. The phone calls are great. Volunteering is better than all the others combined. If a person really wants to make a difference, its an election year, the time is now.

Volunteer, meet the candidate, and discuss the issues you find most important. Checks are great, but time is invaluable. Besides, volunteering does have its rewards (http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/Bush_thank_you_note.jpg), and its perks. (http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/Bush_photo_opportunity.jpg)

Pointcrossed
05-02-2008, 12:12 AM
This is part of what the author (De Leon) wrote on AB 2062:

1)Author's Statement : According to the author, "It is currently
easier to purchase handgun ammunition than it is a package of
cigarettes or spray paint. While the State has enacted
legislation designed to keep guns out of the wrong hands, it's
done little to prevent criminals and gang members who already
have guns from readily accessing the ammunition that drives
gun violence.



What happens when you try to buy cigarettes or spray paint?

I don't smoke nor do I huff paint or do graffiti, therefore I have no clue.

Do you know if vandals have gone to using brush paint and magic markers and crayons? how easy are those to obtain?

Is it hard to buy Cigarettes with an ID, when its easier to buy Marijuana or crack, do you need to show ID for it?

Here is the problem with this; The author is criminalizing law abiding citizens that own guns to prevent criminals and gang members that can already obtain ammunition and weapons through illegal means. It does not matter if you ban guns worldwide destroy them all and erase the memories of everyone on the planet. people will still find the means to kill each other; we still need to get places and cars will still exist. Do you think a gang member would go into a store to buy ammo? How stupid would that gang member or criminal have to be? How many rounds of ammunition does a gang member or criminal go through in a month on a gang bang, drive by, or armed robbery? Do they only need 50 rounds, do they need less, or any at all to accomplish their dastardly deed?

I lived in Japan for 2 years and guns and ammo and swords (unless its a relic) are banned there and have been since WWII but on the news you hear of shootings by Gang members and police shootings. Hmm, I wonder if they went to the gun store to get that ammo...:confused:

In the UK, guns are banned there, so are dagger type knives and other edged weapons; to this day there is a very high rate of gang shootings armed robbery...:confused:

I watch the news for at least 3 hours a day and I cannot remember the last time I heard of a shooting in California that hit the news and was a big deal since that LA bank robbery that they made a documentary and a movie about. Either reporters are tired of reporting of people killing each other in the inner cities and such, or it is not happening because criminals and gang members realize that they rather grow old and die of old age, or they are all in jail or dead...

My cousin was killed in a car crash on March 9 2008 at age 32 when a truck came into his oncoming lane on a 2 lane highway. His killer still drives the streets today no apologies no remorse. I have been shooting guns since I was 10; I am now 34. I did tours in Bosnia and the Middle east and in the Middle east I was in constant eminent danger. Because of stupid legislation like this, I still feel safer in the middle east or Bosnia, because I was able to protect my buds and myself. The only other places I will probably feel safe is Alaska and Vermont or any other State that I can open carry or concealed carry; I don't see the CA Assembly making stricter vehicle safety laws, and driving is a privilege not a right. Will it take more vehicle homicides or car chases? Will they limit gas to 50 gallons a month, strict moving violations, make CA legal vehicles? Heck no!

There are good reasonable safety laws in California but some laws out shine others and they are the stupid ones. and those stupid ones will make you a victim and only protect the criminals.

What does it take for the lawmakers in California to say we don't care about your rights and we don't care if you are an honest law abiding citizen, just STFU and buy $4.00 a gallon gas and drive recklessly and irresponsibly, just don't get caught!

radioburning
05-04-2008, 8:17 AM
Let's keep on this, folks! It's not over yet. I know some people aren't worried about this because it still has more hoops to jump through, but curb-stomping this bill, and others like it, in their early stages saves valuable time and energy later on and sends a strong message to the scumbags who come up with these bills. Personally, I'm tired of people who've never had the balls to pick up a gun and shoot it deciding the gun laws I have to abide by. What's next? Fines for not wearing a jacket on a cold day? The spoiled morons that nobody liked in school grew up to be the politicians that are running(ruining) this state. These guys are running out of ways to appear "tough on crime" so they come up with these idiotic bills and they need to know that people are actually paying attention to the sh***y job they are doing. Sorry for the rant.

http://www.calnra.com/calerts/calert042908.shtml

futureExpat
05-05-2008, 4:05 PM
Let's keep on this, folks! It's not over yet. I know some people aren't worried about this because it still has more hoops to jump through, but curb-stomping this bill, and others like it, in their early stages saves valuable time and energy later on and sends a strong message to the scumbags who come up with these bills. Personally, I'm tired of people who've never had the balls to pick up a gun and shoot it deciding the gun laws I have to abide by. What's next? Fines for not wearing a jacket on a cold day? The spoiled morons that nobody liked in school grew up to be the politicians that are running(ruining) this state. These guys are running out of ways to appear "tough on crime" so they come up with these idiotic bills and they need to know that people are actually paying attention to the sh***y job they are doing. Sorry for the rant.

http://www.calnra.com/calerts/calert042908.shtml

No need to apoligise

Your right we all need to be reminded on this an periodically email, fax,write,etc

Unite an squash this!

futureExpat
05-05-2008, 4:08 PM
VIRTUAL LOBBY-DAY, Tuesday, May 6, 2008

Join us and help defeat the ammunition registration bill AB 2062

IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED!!!

IT'S TIME TO LIGHT-UP THE PHONES IN SACRAMENTO!

In Sacramento, the anti-gun hysteria is at a fever pitch, and extremist groups and legislators are promoting even more of it.

Working in conjunction with the NRA-ILA State Liaison, Ed Worley, the NRA Members' Councils have - for the last several years - used their latest Internet based communication system to deliver a crushing volume of calls, faxes and emails into the State Capitol. IT WILL SOON BE TIME TO INCREASE THE PRESSURE ON SACRAMENTO!

One of the biggest threats to firearms owners is AB 2062. Assembly Bill 2062 (De Leon) imposes:
(1) an ammunition purchasers permit requirement for Californians to purchase handgun ammo
(2) a fee for each Handgun ammo purchase
(3) requires a state license to sell ammunition
(4) more unfair restrictions on law-abiding gun owners.............

YOU CAN HELP PROTECT THE 2nd AMENDMENT AND STOP ANTI-FREEDOM SCHEMES LIKE AB 2062 ! ! !

SITUATION; AB 2062 is a clear and present danger to all firearms owners in California! The NRA has been actively opposing AB 2062. Refer to the following pages for more information:
http://www.calnra.com/calerts/calert040108.shtml & http://www.calnra.com/calerts/calert040808.shtml .

AB 2062 is scheduled to be heard on Wednesday, May 7th, in the Assembly Appropriations Committee.
Several groups are coordinating active opposition to the overbearing restrictions of AB 2062.
The NRA realizes that most California gun owners cannot take the time off of work and pay the ever-increasing fuel prices required to personally attend a "Lobby-Day" in the State Capitol in Sacramento.
The NRA has made our legislative contact resources available to you, the firearms owner, so that you can participate in our statewide coordinated effort to oppose AB 2062....... no matter where you are located.
WHAT YOU CAN DO: Tell the Legislators to stop supporting ill-conceived gun control proposals, such as the AB 2062 ammunition sales restriction scheme, by participating in NRA's Virtual Lobby-Day on Tuesday, May 6th.

RIGHT NOW: Send this message to every gun owner you know. Include all: gun clubs, stores, ranges, RKBA groups, etc. Cross-post this on the Internet - on web sites and firearm-related forums. Email this link http://www.calnra.com/calerts/calert042908.shtml to everyone you know.
RIGHT NOW: On the Internet, go to the California Legislative Contact Page at: http://www.calnra.com/legs.shtml and use our ONE-CLICK email delivery system to contact the Assembly with a single message in opposition to AB 2062. Note: emails will be received in the legislators offices with the "From:" field set to the ORIGINAL SENDER. Remember that you are sending a single Email to several people. You should address your message accordingly. Example: Dear Assembly Member, . (Legislators will not see that they are receiving the same message as the others.)
TUESDAY, MAY 6TH: Call and Fax the legislature and voice your opposition to more gun control proposals! And make those phone calls/faxes between 9:00AM until 4:00PM. Those firearms owners who can travel to the State Capitol will be visiting the legislative offices at the same time your calls and faxes will be arriving. Please be polite while you get your point across to them! The combination of your calls, faxes, and emails, together with those personal visits, will show the legislators that California's firearms owners strongly opposed AB 2062 and similar legislative proposals. Contact information, including phone and fax numbers, is listed on the CA Legislative Contact Pages at: http://www.calnra.com/legs/asm.shtml .
Together, our voices will be heard and we can stop the anti-freedom forces and win back our rights!

California Legislative Contact resources:

MT1
05-07-2008, 5:10 PM
Don't forget about this - FIGHT IT! - I have been emailing everyday, and wrote specific letters back to a couple legislators that actually took the time to read and respond to my letters personally.

Heatseeker
05-09-2008, 12:37 PM
I just recieved the following letter in regards to an email I sent to my (17th District) Assembly Representative Cathleen Galgiani:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc296/Heatseekerjet/letter.jpg
I was surprised that she actually opposes this bill, but I'm glad she does!

I see that the bill was amended and sent back to committee earlier this week. This bill still appears to be very much alive. We need to keep up the fight!

mymonkeyman
05-09-2008, 1:26 PM
I see that the bill was amended and sent back to committee earlier this week. This bill still appears to be very much alive. We need to keep up the fight!

Now the handgun ammunition purchase permit expires every year, instead of 5 years, at a cost of $15 per year.

Also now the DOJ can raise the fees every year instead of having them locked in statute. Expect to be paying lots of money to the DOJ if this passes.

They've reinstated the non-licensed sale of handgun ammunition at target ranges, but only 29 rounds a month at any one range! Seriously?! This will really hurt the profitability of a lot of indoor ranges that rent out guns, since a lot of people come in to shoot casually once in a while and rent guns, and they don't want to fill out paperwork and apply for a license to do it. And 30 rounds is a ridiculously small amount of ammo to use at the range (although more than enough for a gangbanger).

The major changes will make the system more akin to a background check + permit issued by the dealer (like an HSC), to reduce costs. They are trying to make this more cost palatable so it will pass.

RRangel
05-09-2008, 2:06 PM
Get busy people! AB 2062 is scheduled to be heard on Wednesday, May 14 in the Assembly Appropriations Committee.

I don't know how this bill is still alive, when it's in violation of the rules. I guess those in the Sacramento who support a budding statist regime are selectively following rules, and they need to be held accountable. That goes especially for the bills author Democrat Assembly Member Kevin De Leon. Bills like this should be cause for politicians to loose their government careers.

AKman
05-09-2008, 2:12 PM
I just recieved the following letter in regards to an email I sent to my (17th District) Assembly Representative Cathleen Galgiani:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc296/Heatseekerjet/letter.jpg
I was surprised that she actually opposes this bill, but I'm glad she does!


I don't see anything in the letter that implies she opposes the bill. She will only keep in mind your views and probably still vote yes.

DDRH
05-09-2008, 2:16 PM
Get busy people! AB 2062 is scheduled to be heard on Wednesday, May 14 in the Assembly Appropriations Committee.

I don't know how this bill is still alive, when it's in violation of the rules. I guess those in the Sacramento who support a budding statist regime are selectively following rules, and they need to be held accountable. That goes especially for the bills author Democrat Assembly Member Kevin De Leon. Bills like this should be cause for politicians to loose their government careers.

Since this bill was brought back...and the ethics committee let it through. (I think it's the ethics committee...something like that), isn't this considered some sort of corruption? It's unethical if the same bill gets bounced back, right?

l_Z_l
05-09-2008, 2:29 PM
I don't see anything in the letter that implies she opposes the bill. She will only keep in mind your views and probably still vote yes.

she hand wrote "I opppose this bill"

hoffmang
05-09-2008, 3:01 PM
she hand wrote "I opppose this bill"

BTW: That means her staff wrote the letter and put it on her desk. She personally added that she opposes the bill.

As someone who often has to sign a bunch of these sorts of things, I can tell you that that means a lot more than having it in the form letter (but note that the form letter can reply to all comments on the bill.)

-Gene

Heatseeker
05-09-2008, 3:31 PM
BTW: That means her staff wrote the letter and put it on her desk. She personally added that she opposes the bill.

As someone who often has to sign a bunch of these sorts of things, I can tell you that that means a lot more than having it in the form letter (but note that the form letter can reply to all comments on the bill.)

-Gene

I was quite impressed with her personal endorsement when I received the letter. Maybe there are some half-decent politicians after all.

Lee F. Smith
05-09-2008, 4:45 PM
5/6/09

We gathered at the Capitol building at 9:00am and heard from Sam Paredes of Gun Owners of California on how the day would proceed. It turns out that we would not be protesting but we actually would be lobbying the assembly members. About 75 or so individuals turned out. We were collected into groups of 8 or 10 individuals

We heard from a number of legislators including McClintock, LaMalfa, Maze that all support our cause. We then broke into teams that were assigned a number of assembly members that had appointments set in advance of today to address AB2062. The first office that our team was scheduled to meet with was Assemblyman Ted Lieu (D) dist. 53-Torrance. Unfortunately he was serving his two week stint at the Air force National Guard. We however were able to talk to his staff. They were very attentive and took down two and a half pages of notes. A plus was that the staff member that was taking notes was an Eagle Scout and had participated in shooting sports when he was younger. We went over our talking points and were well received. He seemed to believe that it would get moved to the suspense file. Sort of a no mans land for bills. He stated that we should understand that this large of a group rarely appears in person and how significant it was that we were there.

Next was Assemblyman Jared Huffman (D) dist. 06- San Rafael. He had been double booked for lobbyist groups and we also spoke to his staffer. She was shocked to learn that the cost to individuals would be so high. She also stated that with the initial outlay of 20 million plus to start the program that she did not think it would make it out of the suspense file. This indicated that it had been placed in suspension while we were there . She asked a number of good questions that we answered effectively. She did ask if there was any kind of compromise that we would accept. We responded no and explained why. It was a positive meeting. We had met in the hall in front of Huffman’s office as we could not all fit into the office; As we were talking to her, Assemblyman DeLeon, responsible for this bill was standing behind the group because he could not get by the crowd. He stood there for about 3 minutes or so and got an ear full of how we felt about his bill . We paused and he stepped through.

The balance of the meetings was with those that support our position and we thanked them and it was a great visit. This was repeated in all of the assembly offices today. For two hours today our voice was heard.

We need to put more faces to our situation. I am an Election Volunteer Coordinator for the NRA-ILA in the 2nd and 3rd congressional districts; that is most of California From Sacramento north to Oregon and from the coastal range east to Nevada. If you would like to get involved in this battle PLEASE contact me or the EVC in your area. I will help you get connected with your representatives and you can lobby them, help them get elected, call them when needed, it is up to you how involved you get. If the NRA-ILA is not your cup of tea, get with a group that is, I saw the difference that a face makes today.



5/9/08
I talked to Assemblyman Lieu's office and their stance has not changed and thanked me for informing them that this bill has raised it's ugly head again. He said that hundreds of bills will be heard that day and that it is good that I called.

Assemblyman Huffman's office still thinks it is to expensive independent of the stance on firearms. They don't believe that it will go anywhere.

We must keep the pressure on here to kill this in the womb.

rue
05-10-2008, 1:35 AM
5/6/09

We gathered at the Capitol building at 9:00am and heard from Sam Paredes of Gun Owners of California on how the day would proceed. It turns out that we would not be protesting but we actually would be lobbying the assembly members. About 75 or so individuals turned out. We were collected into groups of 8 or 10 individuals

We heard from a number of legislators including McClintock, LaMalfa, Maze that all support our cause. We then broke into teams that were assigned a number of assembly members that had appointments set in advance of today to address AB2062. The first office that our team was scheduled to meet with was Assemblyman Ted Lieu (D) dist. 53-Torrance. Unfortunately he was serving his two week stint at the Air force National Guard. We however were able to talk to his staff. They were very attentive and took down two and a half pages of notes. A plus was that the staff member that was taking notes was an Eagle Scout and had participated in shooting sports when he was younger. We went over our talking points and were well received. He seemed to believe that it would get moved to the suspense file. Sort of a no mans land for bills. He stated that we should understand that this large of a group rarely appears in person and how significant it was that we were there.

Next was Assemblyman Jared Huffman (D) dist. 06- San Rafael. He had been double booked for lobbyist groups and we also spoke to his staffer. She was shocked to learn that the cost to individuals would be so high. She also stated that with the initial outlay of 20 million plus to start the program that she did not think it would make it out of the suspense file. This indicated that it had been placed in suspension while we were there . She asked a number of good questions that we answered effectively. She did ask if there was any kind of compromise that we would accept. We responded no and explained why. It was a positive meeting. We had met in the hall in front of Huffman’s office as we could not all fit into the office; As we were talking to her, Assemblyman DeLeon, responsible for this bill was standing behind the group because he could not get by the crowd. He stood there for about 3 minutes or so and got an ear full of how we felt about his bill . We paused and he stepped through.

The balance of the meetings was with those that support our position and we thanked them and it was a great visit. This was repeated in all of the assembly offices today. For two hours today our voice was heard.

We need to put more faces to our situation. I am an Election Volunteer Coordinator for the NRA-ILA in the 2nd and 3rd congressional districts; that is most of California From Sacramento north to Oregon and from the coastal range east to Nevada. If you would like to get involved in this battle PLEASE contact me or the EVC in your area. I will help you get connected with your representatives and you can lobby them, help them get elected, call them when needed, it is up to you how involved you get. If the NRA-ILA is not your cup of tea, get with a group that is, I saw the difference that a face makes today.



5/9/08
I talked to Assemblyman Lieu's office and their stance has not changed and thanked me for informing them that this bill has raised it's ugly head again. He said that hundreds of bills will be heard that day and that it is good that I called.

Assemblyman Huffman's office still thinks it is to expensive independent of the stance on firearms. They don't believe that it will go anywhere.

We must keep the pressure on here to kill this in the womb.


Unforunately the local Sacramento news decided to cover the frog jumping event on the other side of the capitol that day not the opposition to this bill.... :rolleyes::mad:

futureExpat
05-27-2008, 7:01 AM
5/6/09

We gathered at the Capitol building at 9:00am and heard from Sam Paredes of Gun Owners of California on how the day would proceed. It turns out that we would not be protesting but we actually would be lobbying the assembly members. About 75 or so individuals turned out. We were collected into groups of 8 or 10 individuals

We heard from a number of legislators including McClintock, LaMalfa, Maze that all support our cause. We then broke into teams that were assigned a number of assembly members that had appointments set in advance of today to address AB2062. The first office that our team was scheduled to meet with was Assemblyman Ted Lieu (D) dist. 53-Torrance. Unfortunately he was serving his two week stint at the Air force National Guard. We however were able to talk to his staff. They were very attentive and took down two and a half pages of notes. A plus was that the staff member that was taking notes was an Eagle Scout and had participated in shooting sports when he was younger. We went over our talking points and were well received. He seemed to believe that it would get moved to the suspense file. Sort of a no mans land for bills. He stated that we should understand that this large of a group rarely appears in person and how significant it was that we were there.

Next was Assemblyman Jared Huffman (D) dist. 06- San Rafael. He had been double booked for lobbyist groups and we also spoke to his staffer. She was shocked to learn that the cost to individuals would be so high. She also stated that with the initial outlay of 20 million plus to start the program that she did not think it would make it out of the suspense file. This indicated that it had been placed in suspension while we were there . She asked a number of good questions that we answered effectively. She did ask if there was any kind of compromise that we would accept. We responded no and explained why. It was a positive meeting. We had met in the hall in front of Huffman’s office as we could not all fit into the office; As we were talking to her, Assemblyman DeLeon, responsible for this bill was standing behind the group because he could not get by the crowd. He stood there for about 3 minutes or so and got an ear full of how we felt about his bill . We paused and he stepped through.

The balance of the meetings was with those that support our position and we thanked them and it was a great visit. This was repeated in all of the assembly offices today. For two hours today our voice was heard.

We need to put more faces to our situation. I am an Election Volunteer Coordinator for the NRA-ILA in the 2nd and 3rd congressional districts; that is most of California From Sacramento north to Oregon and from the coastal range east to Nevada. If you would like to get involved in this battle PLEASE contact me or the EVC in your area. I will help you get connected with your representatives and you can lobby them, help them get elected, call them when needed, it is up to you how involved you get. If the NRA-ILA is not your cup of tea, get with a group that is, I saw the difference that a face makes today.



5/9/08
I talked to Assemblyman Lieu's office and their stance has not changed and thanked me for informing them that this bill has raised it's ugly head again. He said that hundreds of bills will be heard that day and that it is good that I called.

Assemblyman Huffman's office still thinks it is to expensive independent of the stance on firearms. They don't believe that it will go anywhere.

We must keep the pressure on here to kill this in the womb.

Thank you Lee

Ironchef
05-29-2008, 1:04 PM
Since I've not had cable or satellite (shut it off several months ago) I've been getting Sacramento news in the evening over the air and wow....first of all, that town is in a different world. Their bread and butter is to show all the crime, violence, murders, and other tragedy for as much of their program as possible. Hurricane in Myanmar??? Not a chance...only local psychopath burns down playground, for a second time, and more drive-bys and shootings, etc, etc. Even a week or two later, I never saw any news of Myanmar's hurricane..but I did see some of the Chinese earthquake disaster...but no where near the top of their programming priority.

THis is in contrast with KTVU channel 2 news from Oakland/San Francisco. SUre, the SF Bay Area affiliates all cover the bigger crimes and catastrophes like friggen sickos, but they at least have some balance. Not so with those Sac channels. So it's not a big surprise they'd not cover protesting of an anti-gun bill when their entire sum of existence is to feed off and villainize GUN CRIME.

Heatseeker
06-20-2008, 12:23 PM
After receiving the NRA's email concerning the pending BS gun bills in Ca., I decided to check up on how the Assembly voted for 2062. My Assembly representative, Cathleen Galgiani (D) 17th district, wrote me a letter voicing her opposition to this particular bill. I am outraged at the number of representatives that voted on this bill! 22, 15 for and 7 against! That's it! To the best of my knowledge, there are 80 districts in California. Where the hell are these people when it's time to vote?! It must be nice to have a job that you don't even have to show up for!!!

Ok, rant is switched to 'off' now.

I'm getting on the phone right now to start dialing Senate Appropriations and Senate Public Safety committee members to oppose the three(2062, 2235, 2948) pending anti-gun bills they now have. I suggest everyone do the same.

yellowfin
06-20-2008, 2:09 PM
The ones who didn't vote were likely donkey party who we have gotten to abstain. They don't have the guts to vote opposed for fear of political consequences from their masters in the party, so they split the difference and vote neither way. It's their way of siding not against us but not angering their bosses. That's what I have gathered from their staff. We should make it a point to ask exactly what it will take to move them from abstention to voting against. Call them and ask that question.

Gator Monroe
06-20-2008, 2:12 PM
Legal Private Firearms ownership has 10 years (Tops especially here in California)

IGOTDIRT4U
06-20-2008, 2:31 PM
OR: do to savvy litigation following Heller and a genuine effort by us, gun rights improve here in California over the next 10 years.

I see the high cap magazine as half full, not half empty.

LOL, always the positive thinker, eh?

I agree. Post-Heller, carefully crafted lawsuits and legislation should open new vistas for gun rights.

Heatseeker
06-20-2008, 3:14 PM
OR: do to savvy litigation following Heller and a genuine effort by us, gun rights improve here in California over the next 10 years.

I see the high cap magazine as half full, not half empty.

I think I like this guy! You have a great outlook for a Californian gun owner! We've certainly taken our share of beatings in this arena.

I did call every rep listed in the NRA email to oppose these bills. Even Yee and Perata, who's staff members just kind of said "noted, goodbye."

BroncoBob
06-20-2008, 3:56 PM
Legal Private Firearms ownership has 10 years (Tops especially here in California)

55 + 10= 65 time to retire in Prescott AZ.

:25:

tcrpe
06-22-2008, 7:17 PM
Jeez, no!

If it passes at all stages:
Then to Governor.
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Based upon his past performance, Arnold will sign it.

Now accepting wagers. . . . .

Yea, California Republicans!

shooting4fun
07-15-2008, 8:14 AM
Just a thought - how about anti 2062 newspaper adds or billboards (or other ways of getting wider exposure to the issue). Expensive I know, but I expect the vast majority of people who would be against this type of legislation has no idea that it's pending or what it will mean to them.

Gator Monroe
07-15-2008, 8:23 AM
Bay area shooters should contact Dr. Michael Savage and get him Hyped up about AB2062 ! (He IS OUR BEST Friend in the California Media )

yellowfin
07-15-2008, 10:23 AM
What's the email and phone # for Dr. Savage? I listen to his show daily but never hear them mentioned.

Gator Monroe
07-15-2008, 10:27 AM
1 800 449-8255 (From memory)

QuarterBoreGunner
03-03-2010, 8:44 AM
Almost 2 year old thread; maybe time to post a new one if still relevant.