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TheLastStarfighter13
04-04-2008, 8:28 PM
Ok......

I've posted in another section about bringin' a pistola into cali with me and it got me readin' more and more and I'm in worse shape then when I started.

I don't understand the law in cali or the people in cali and I'm not makin' any judgement call I'm just hopin this will spark a little debate and help me understand you guys a little better, and your situation.

First let me say that since I fight for the rights of this country, and served two tours doin' it, I firmly believe that no-one has a right to keep you from doing something that isn't hurtin' nobody.

It seems as though the state of California believes that owning certain weapons are dangerous for its citizens, so in the interest of the safety of these constituents it bans said weapons. OK I wasn't there and I'm not going to touch why or any of that since I'm just movin' there for a short period of time and don't understand any of the reasoning I've heard so-far. I'm just gonna leave that alone. I'm still a legal resident of Oklahoma and pay my takes and vote there. WHat I don't understand is the lack of what is legal. I thought hey just forget your AK and go pickup a saiga, no different then a mini-30, just cheaper and I prefer those recievers, hell cleanin' voids the warranty, right? Now I've read posts on those being confiscated. It seems like a Us Vs. Them with the DOJ and the residents of Cali. You don't hear of any ofthis stuff in Oklahoma, but pay 200 bones and you can have an MG there. They don't make the law clear and the residents are constantly pushing the boundaries of what is legal, then getting in trouble with the law, then the law is clarified whether the accused wins his case or not. I'm not judging I just want to understand the mentality behind this. It seems there is just so much weird stuff going on. Like the AR15, I thought it was illegal, then its like only the ones on the list....I don't get it. The intention of the law was to make any AR15 illegal it seemed like. So why are there recievers that are not on the list? I don't think an ar15 should be illegal, hell they use them in service rifle matches. They have this intention, then they can't seem to enforce it so I see a magazine button with a allen key in it? Is it illegal? Can I get an offlist reciever and put one of these on it?

I'm gonna call DOJ and talk to them for the third time. Maybe this time they will agree to something. I'll use the analogy I give my soldiers....here's the path, walk it and I'll promote you and reward you, deviate and I'll smoke you till your eyes bleed. I just don't see the path on this one? I want a semi auto with a detachable magazine and I don't want to be f****d with about it. Thats all I want.

What can I buy that is totally off the radar? I just wanna be in the right and kill some tin cans......and please, I'm not trying to offend anyone just trying to get some clarity.

I don't want a welded magwell, something that is reversible after I PCS out of cali, and I like AK's. Oh and when I pull it out at a range I want the cop shootin next to me to be jealous, but not arrest me. and I like 7.62x39 and 7.62x54r (its cheapa and accurate)!!!

Matt C
04-04-2008, 8:32 PM
You could get a mini-30 I suppose, or you could actually get something good and go for an M1a. If I have time later I'll try to address your two dozen other questions.

ybz
04-04-2008, 11:28 PM
Ok......

What can I buy that is totally off the radar? I just wanna be in the right and kill some tin cans......and please, I'm not trying to offend anyone just trying to get some clarity.



if you just want to kill tin cans, you should get a GSG-5, or some other .22. they a great a putting downs cans, the ammo is cheap, and you won't have to worry about 'features'. get one with 10 rounds magazine. welcome to california. btw, tin cans are always in season here and no tags required...

chris
04-05-2008, 12:25 AM
Ok......

I've posted in another section about bringin' a pistola into cali with me and it got me readin' more and more and I'm in worse shape then when I started.

I don't understand the law in cali or the people in cali and I'm not makin' any judgement call I'm just hopin this will spark a little debate and help me understand you guys a little better, and your situation.

First let me say that since I fight for the rights of this country, and served two tours doin' it, I firmly believe that no-one has a right to keep you from doing something that isn't hurtin' nobody.

It seems as though the state of California believes that owning certain weapons are dangerous for its citizens, so in the interest of the safety of these constituents it bans said weapons. OK I wasn't there and I'm not going to touch why or any of that since I'm just movin' there for a short period of time and don't understand any of the reasoning I've heard so-far. I'm just gonna leave that alone. I'm still a legal resident of Oklahoma and pay my takes and vote there. WHat I don't understand is the lack of what is legal. I thought hey just forget your AK and go pickup a saiga, no different then a mini-30, just cheaper and I prefer those recievers, hell cleanin' voids the warranty, right? Now I've read posts on those being confiscated. It seems like a Us Vs. Them with the DOJ and the residents of Cali. You don't hear of any ofthis stuff in Oklahoma, but pay 200 bones and you can have an MG there. They don't make the law clear and the residents are constantly pushing the boundaries of what is legal, then getting in trouble with the law, then the law is clarified whether the accused wins his case or not. I'm not judging I just want to understand the mentality behind this. It seems there is just so much weird stuff going on. Like the AR15, I thought it was illegal, then its like only the ones on the list....I don't get it. The intention of the law was to make any AR15 illegal it seemed like. So why are there recievers that are not on the list? I don't think an ar15 should be illegal, hell they use them in service rifle matches. They have this intention, then they can't seem to enforce it so I see a magazine button with a allen key in it? Is it illegal? Can I get an offlist reciever and put one of these on it?

I'm gonna call DOJ and talk to them for the third time. Maybe this time they will agree to something. I'll use the analogy I give my soldiers....here's the path, walk it and I'll promote you and reward you, deviate and I'll smoke you till your eyes bleed. I just don't see the path on this one? I want a semi auto with a detachable magazine and I don't want to be f****d with about it. Thats all I want.

What can I buy that is totally off the radar? I just wanna be in the right and kill some tin cans......and please, I'm not trying to offend anyone just trying to get some clarity.

I don't want a welded magwell, something that is reversible after I PCS out of cali, and I like AK's. Oh and when I pull it out at a range I want the cop shootin next to me to be jealous, but not arrest me. and I like 7.62x39 and 7.62x54r (its cheapa and accurate)!!!

well dude thanks for the 2 tours but the politicos (traitors) don't give two squats of crap for your service. many here will and that matters more. i have 1 tour and have seen the U.S. Constitution pissed on by these traitors in Krapamento.

but like the guys say apply for a MAWP and see what happens. when it's time to leave do it post haste and don't look back get back the free nation that once was here. it's occu[ied territory here. you will learn. also you will learn from this site so much about gun laws than anywhere else in the country . there is a wealth of knowledge here right at your fingertips.

welcome to Kalifornia it's occupied by communists and socialists. they got here all in the name of government can do everything for you. we will when you give up all your rights. just one little bit at a time.

a1scoot
04-05-2008, 7:31 PM
Sad but true.......
I have lived in Kalifornia all my life...but it is really getting to be a drag with our Draconian laws......
a1scoot:confused:

M. Sage
04-05-2008, 8:06 PM
I thought hey just forget your AK and go pickup a saiga, no different then a mini-30, just cheaper and I prefer those recievers, hell cleanin' voids the warranty, right?

Some Saigas are on the list, too. The list isn't all AKs and ARs. That's one of the problems.

Now I've read posts on those being confiscated. It seems like a Us Vs. Them with the DOJ and the residents of Cali. You don't hear of any ofthis stuff in Oklahoma, but pay 200 bones and you can have an MG there.

It is an us vs them, to be sure. But they started it. :43:

They don't make the law clear and the residents are constantly pushing the boundaries of what is legal, then getting in trouble with the law, then the law is clarified whether the accused wins his case or not.

The section I added bold to is why it's us vs them.. from our standpoint anyway. It's also the answer to why we push. They always lose. :43:

I'm not judging I just want to understand the mentality behind this. It seems there is just so much weird stuff going on. Like the AR15, I thought it was illegal, then its like only the ones on the list....I don't get it. The intention of the law was to make any AR15 illegal it seemed like. So why are there recievers that are not on the
list?

The short answer? Because certain employees whose salaries our taxes pay are morons. They had the chance to list a lot of receivers, but chose not to, thinking that the "all AR15s are illegal" misinformation would work just as well or better.

Yes, their intent appears to have been to ban all ARs, AKs and a bunch of other things, but they failed. It was an Epic Fail.

I don't think an ar15 should be illegal, hell they use them in service rifle matches. They have this intention, then they can't seem to enforce it so I see a magazine button with a allen key in it? Is it illegal? Can I get an offlist reciever and put one of these on it?

The bullet button doesn't use an allen wrench. The P50 and a couple others do. The bullet button is totally legal. We work very hard to stay within the actual boundaries of the law. We might push right up to the edge, but it's never crossed.

I'm gonna call DOJ and talk to them for the third time. Maybe this time they will agree to something. I'll use the analogy I give my soldiers....here's the path, walk it and I'll promote you and reward you, deviate and I'll smoke you till your eyes bleed. I just don't see the path on this one? I want a semi auto with a detachable magazine and I don't want to be f****d with about it. Thats all I want.

Military Assault Weapon Permit. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=690117&postcount=2

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=690117&postcount=2What can I buy that is totally off the radar? I just wanna be in the right and kill some tin cans......and please, I'm not trying to offend anyone just trying to get some clarity.[/quote]

If you want clarity, calling DOJ is probably not going to help you. Call them and tell them what's up (going to be stationed in CA, want a military assault weapon permit). DOJ is very good at running people around in circles and giving non answers. (See also, us vs them.)

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=690117&postcount=2I don't want a welded magwell, something that is reversible after I PCS out of cali, and I like AK's. Oh and when I pull it out at a range I want the cop shootin next to me to be jealous, but not arrest me. and I like 7.62x39 and 7.62x54r (its cheapa and accurate)!!![/QUOTE]

The only thing you'll have to do is leave your magazines that hold more than ten rounds out of state, and get the permit mentioned above.

Note: the MAWP does not allow you to import magazines that hold more than ten rounds!

I know, it's retarded. Welcome to California!

TheLastStarfighter13
04-06-2008, 8:01 AM
Thanks for helping to clear some things up.

First I know about the AW permit but I have to give the state of California 78 dollars and my finger prints. I don't want to give them my money and asking for my fingerprints is an invasion of my privacy so I refuse to do it....

I'd rather help the cause in california buy giving someone that is making legal aw's my money. If I give that guy my business maybe it will help the right people make the laws in Cali Better. And it puts a legal weapon in a safe and responsible gun owners hands, ME!

Oh and I know the army has my fingerprints, its principle.


Oh and is there any vendors that have a great selection of Cali legal weapons so I can browse????

Librarian
04-06-2008, 10:58 AM
Oh and is there any vendors that have a great selection of Cali legal weapons so I can browse????You could start here (http://www.tenpercentfirearms.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=13). Ten Percent Firearms is one of our Calguns posters; he's also got a good page that goes over the "What's legal" here (http://www.tenpercentfirearms.com/index.php?main_page=ar15).

LECTRIKHED
04-06-2008, 9:24 PM
I know it's confusing. It's not our fault. I'm sure there are still stupid laws on the books in Oaklahoma. My advice is to just buy a RAA Saiga. Those appear to be legal. Don't wave it around in the face of a LEO, or DOJ.

M. Sage
04-06-2008, 9:44 PM
Oh and I know the army has my fingerprints, its principle.

I knew you'd understand the us vs them mentality on our side. :cool: