Moving into CA - Will be bringing my guns - some for sale. What are the "hot" items?

[rich1967]

I have just about two of everything and will be looking to liquidate many NIB guns. What's "hot" for private party sale out there?

[TacFan]

I have just about two of everything and will be looking to liquidate many NIB guns. What's "hot" for private party sale out there?


HK45. If you have this for a decent price, I will take it :D

[Shane916]

I have just about two of everything and will be looking to liquidate many NIB guns. What's "hot" for private party sale out there?

HK45
Kel-Tec P3AT

[GuyInSD]

Any nice Sigs, please let me know.

[Spyder]

Any Automag for sure. If you have anything by AMT or IAI I'm interested.

[Black Majik]

P30
HK45
Older S&W revolvers
Older SIGs
P210 for cheap
PSP police trade ins

Oh and if you have a spare Les Baer 9mm fullsize with fixed sights such as a Custom Carry I'll take one. :D

[TheGanzman]

I'll take any and all "Series 70" Colt Commanders/LW Commanders...

[Gunaria]

Just about anything that is not on this list;

http://certguns.doj.ca.gov

There are currently 1328 handguns on this list.

[hitmeallday900]

colt .38 super any series cash ready can be rusted i dont care ill just rebuild it.
semi auto only please

[berkeleygiraffe]

i'm wondering how long it takes for someone to become a resident in another state and then a resident in california? seems like a good way to make some money to "move" once or twice a year especially if someone owns property in multiple states.

[CenterX]

Welcome - where in California? City area, etc.

California has 8 distinct zones (though many only think in 2 nor-cal and so-cal) (and it's all Wine Country these days)

Nothern California - like Shasta, Redding inland

Northern California - Medocino to Crecent City

Central North - Tahoe to Sacramento and Stockton

Central North - San Francisco Bay area to Monteray

Central South - Fresno to Bakersfield out to Paso Robles

Central South - Monteray to San Louis Obispo

Southern California - Imperial Valley out to East edge of Riverside

Southern California - Semi Valley, LA Basen, Long Beach, Orange County down to San Diego

[Spyder]

Welcome - where in California? City area, etc.

California has 8 distinct zones (though many only think in 2 nor-cal and so-cal) (and it's all Wine Country these days)

Nothern California - like Shasta, Redding inland

Northern California - Medocino to Crecent City

Central North - Tahoe to Sacramento and Stockton

Central North - San Francisco Bay area to Monteray

Central South - Fresno to Bakersfield out to Paso Robles

Central South - Monteray to San Louis Obispo

Southern California - Imperial Valley out to East edge of Riverside

Southern California - Semi Valley, LA Basen, Long Beach, Orange County down to San Diego

Where would IIIIIIIIII be then? Yuba City, Chico, Orland, Willows, etc?!

[SNEAKS]

SIG 220 SUPERMATCH, 226 ELITE , 220 ELITE . 1911 frames , HK45 ,

[MotoGuy]

Cobray PM11
Micro Uzi

[8200rpm]

Pre-lock S&W revolvers with 3" barrels are a guaranteed sale.

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[5150Marcelo]

Desert Eagle here... I'll take it. Any caliber, any finish, and any .45 1911's you got. PPT! What location you moving too.

[chodico]

flat top rugers

[FinweElensar]

Stainless Colt Python

[scewper]

Hmm, I wonder how much you could make moving back and fourth investing like $100k each time.. :whistling:

[ghostwong]

If you can:
Kimber Desert Warrior
Taurus .45/410 Revolver
MP&P .45 with slidelock and no mag disconnect safety.

If you do have any of the following please PM me.

[ivanimal]

1911 frames.

[Tho_Sun]

Will pay well for a MATEBA .357 6" or 8". The longer the better any finish!

[saki302]

P210 for cheap


I believe the above only exists in our wet dreams. They're not even cheap in free states :(

I would add to the above:

Sig X5 Level 1
Sig P220 Match (and super match)
HK P9S
S&W 952 long slide
Beretta 92-steel
Mateba
CZ Champion
SVI / STI pistols

-Dave

[DedEye]

Sig P250
HK45
Walther PPS

[savageevo]

all kel-tec pistols
Dsa tp-9
AR type pistols Of course single shot
Ak type pistols Of course single shot

[SVRider]

1911 frames.

I'll see Ivan's 1911 frames....and raise him more 1911 frames (maybe some nice Caspian stainless frames)....

[Quiet]

Hmm, I wonder how much you could make moving back and fourth investing like $100k each time.. :whistling:

You would have to do it by making less than 6 handgun transactions a year. Anymore than 6 and CA DOJ will come down on you as an unlicensed firearms dealer.


CA Penal Code 12070
(a) No person shall sell, lease, or transfer firearms unless he or she has been issued a license pursuant to Section 12071. Any person violating this section is guilty of a misdemeanor.
(b) Subdivision (a) does not include any of the following:
(4) The infrequent sale, lease, or transfer of firearms.
(c)(1) As used in this section, "infrequent" means:
(A) For pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person, less than six transactions per calendar year. For this purpose, "transaction" means a single sale, lease, or transfer of any number of pistols, revolvers, or other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person.
(B) For firearms other than pistols, revolvers, or other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person, occasional and without regularity.

[PLINK]

STI 2011 double stack frames with long and short dust covers. CCF Glock race frames too. Please be moving to the Sac area.

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I know they retail for arount $1,350 (at least on Buds thats about how much they are), but I am not jokeing about my obsesion with this fine firearm. I will pay up to $1,650.00 for it (its what I have saved up for the HK USC which I will still buy if I cant get this Kimber).

.....the Sig P250 is not as much a priority.

[loosewreck]

I'll take the P250.
Wow, you'd think we were talking to Santa :santa:

[odesskiy]

If you can:
Kimber Desert Warrior
Taurus .45/410 Revolver
MP&P .45 with slidelock and no mag disconnect safety.

If you do have any of the following please PM me.

Taurus Judge (the .45LC/410 revolver) is not legal in California - it's a semi-auto short-barreled shotgun.

[rich1967]

Wow! I do have a number of these guns. And, I do keep a few 1911 frames around to "tinker with". I'm not willing to sell everything I have, but . . .

I'm going to be out of town until mid-Apr and not into CA until mid-July. I'll keep an eye on this thread and try to get a list of what I'm willing to part with when I get back.

Sincerely - Mr. Clause

[rich1967]

Looks like I'll only be able to please 6 of you - according to the post about 6 transfers in a calendar year. Or, some will have to wait until next Xmas! Again, I will think long and hard about what I will part with - not adverse to picking up a few new ones in the mean time either. I have been looking at those really nice HK45's anyway. I'll get a list out when I can. Too bad CA is so messed up. I like the idea of having another residence in another state - maybe AZ or NV. I'm actually military, so I'm getting to bring in my AR's too. After I apply for the "waiver", "permit", or whatever they call it.

[Toolbox X]

HK45
HK P30
Sig P250
STI 2011 5" Tactical Frames
AR15 pistol receivers

[Tony.]

You would have to do it by making less than 6 handgun transactions a year. Anymore than 6 and CA DOJ will come down on you as an unlicensed firearms dealer.


CA Penal Code 12070
(a) No person shall sell, lease, or transfer firearms unless he or she has been issued a license pursuant to Section 12071. Any person violating this section is guilty of a misdemeanor.
(b) Subdivision (a) does not include any of the following:
(4) The infrequent sale, lease, or transfer of firearms.
(c)(1) As used in this section, "infrequent" means:
(A) For pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person, less than six transactions per calendar year. For this purpose, "transaction" means a single sale, lease, or transfer of any number of pistols, revolvers, or other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person.
(B) For firearms other than pistols, revolvers, or other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person, occasional and without regularity.

Not true. The CA Penal Code that you mention 12070, is part of:

2007 Dangerous Weapons Control Law

12070 thru 12084 Firearms Dealer Licensing, Gun Shows

ARTICLE 4. LICENSES TO SELL FIREARMS

12070. (a) No person shall sell, lease, or transfer firearms unless he or she has been issued a license pursuant to Section 12071. Any person violating this section is guilty of a misdemeanor. (b) Subdivision (a) does not include any of the following: (1) The sale, lease, or transfer of any firearm by a person acting pursuant to operation of law, a court order, or pursuant to the Enforcement of Judgments Law (Title 9 (commencing with Section 680.010) of Part 2 of the Code of Civil Procedure), or by a person who liquidates a personal firearm collection to satisfy a court judgment. (2) A person acting pursuant to subdivision (e) of Section 186.22a or subdivision (c) of Section 12028. (3) The sale, lease, or transfer of a firearm by a person who obtains title to the firearm by intestate succession or by bequest or as a surviving spouse pursuant to Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 13500) of Part 2 of Division 8 of the Probate Code, provided the person disposes of the firearm within 60 days of receipt of the firearm. (4) The infrequent sale, lease, or transfer of firearms. (5) The sale, lease, or transfer of used firearms other than pistols, revolvers, or other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person, at gun shows or events, as specified in Section 12071, and provided all the sales, leases, or transfers fully comply with subdivision (d) of Section 12072. However, the person shall not engage in the sale, lease, or transfer of used firearms other than pistols, revolvers, or other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person at more than 12 gun shows or events in any calendar year and shall not sell, lease, or transfer more than 15 used firearms other than pistols, revolvers, or other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person at any single gun show or event. In no event shall the person sell more than 75 used firearms other than pistols, revolvers, or other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person in any calendar year. A person described in this paragraph shall be known as a "Gun Show Trader." The Department of Justice shall adopt regulations to administer this program and shall recover the full costs of administration from fees assessed applicants. As used in this paragraph, the term "used firearm" means a firearm that has been sold previously at retail and is more than three years old. (6) Deliveries, sales, or transfers of firearms between or to importers and manufacturers of firearms licensed to engage in business pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto. (7) The sale, delivery, or transfer of firearms by manufacturers or importers licensed pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto to dealers or wholesalers. (8) Deliveries and transfers of firearms made pursuant to Section 12028, 12028.5, or 12030. (9) The loan of a firearm for the purposes of shooting at targets, if the loan occurs on the premises of a target facility which holds a business or regulatory license or on the premises of any club or organization organized for the purposes of practicing shooting at targets upon established ranges, whether public or private, if the firearm is at all times kept within the premises of the target range or on the premises of the club or organization. (10) Sales, deliveries, or transfers of firearms by manufacturers, importers, or wholesalers licensed pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto to persons who reside outside this state who are licensed pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, if the sale, delivery, or transfer is in accordance with Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto. (11) Sales, deliveries, or transfers of firearms by persons who reside outside this state and are licensed outside this state pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto to wholesalers, manufacturers, or importers, if the sale, delivery, or transfer is in accordance with Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto. (12) Sales, deliveries, or transfers of firearms by wholesalers to dealers. (13) Sales, deliveries, or transfers of firearms by persons who reside outside this state to persons licensed pursuant to Section 12071, if the sale, delivery, or transfer is in accordance with Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code, and the regulations issued pursuant thereto. (14) Sales, deliveries, or transfers of firearms by persons who reside outside this state and are licensed pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto to dealers, if the sale, delivery, or transfer is in accordance with Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto. (15) The delivery, sale, or transfer of an unloaded firearm by one wholesaler to another wholesaler if that firearm is intended as merchandise in the receiving wholesaler's business. (16) The loan of an unloaded firearm or the loan of a firearm loaded with blank cartridges for use solely as a prop for a motion picture, television, or video production or entertainment or theatrical event. (17) The delivery of an unloaded firearm that is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, by a person licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto with a current certificate of eligibility issued pursuant to Section 12071 to a dealer. (c)(1) As used in this section, "infrequent" means: (A) For pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person, less than six transactions per calendar year. For this purpose, "transaction" means a single sale, lease, or transfer of any number of pistols, revolvers, or other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person. (B) For firearms other than pistols, revolvers, or other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person, occasional and without regularity. (2) As used in this section, "operation of law" includes, but is not limited to, any of the following: (A) The executor or administrator of an estate, if the estate includes firearms. (B) A secured creditor or an agent or employee thereof when the firearms are possessed as collateral for, or as a result of, a default under a security agreement under the Commercial Code. (C) A levying officer, as defined in Section 481.140, 511.060, or 680.260 of the Code of Civil Procedure. (D) A receiver performing his or her functions as a receiver, if the receivership estate includes firearms. (E) A trustee in bankruptcy performing his or her duties, if the bankruptcy estate includes firearms. (F) An assignee for the benefit of creditors performing his or her functions as an assignee, if the assignment includes firearms. (G) A transmutation of property between spouses pursuant to Section 850 of the Family Code. (H) Firearms received by the family of a police officer or deputy sheriff from a local agency pursuant to Section 50081 of the Government Code. (I) The transfer of a firearm by a law enforcement agency to the person who found the firearm where the delivery is to the person as the finder of the firearm pursuant to Article 1 (commencing with Section 2080) of Chapter 4 of Division 3 of the Civil Code.

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/12070.php

This deals with the sale of handguns at gun shows without a license. As crazy as this state is, I do not believe they are regulating people on selling there personal possessions which were obtained legally.

[Quiet]

PC 12070 is about selling firearms without a license anywhere in CA. It's not exclusive to gun shows.

PC 12070(b)(5) describes what a "gun show trader" is and involves selling of longarms. You can't sell more than 75 used longarms a year, you can't sell longarms at more than 12 gun shows a year and you can't sell more than 15 longarms at one event. Used firearm is also defined as a firearm that was once sold at retail and now is over 3 years old.

PC 12070(b)(4) says its okay for an unlicensed person to sale, lease or transfer a firearm as long as it's done infrequently.
PC 12070(c)(1) defines what infrequent is.
PC 12070(c)(1)(A) says for handguns infrequent means less than 6 transactions per year. There can be mutliple handguns transfered in one transaction, but you are limited to 6 transactions a year.
PC 12070(c)(1)(B) says for longarms (rifles/shotguns) infrequent means occasional and without regularity. So, you can do as many longarm transactions as you want as long as it's not frequent or shows a pattern.

[r08ert209cali]

i'm wondering how long it takes for someone to become a resident in another state and then a resident in california? seems like a good way to make some money to "move" once or twice a year especially if someone owns property in multiple states.

i think 6 mos.
i would like a sig p250 in 40 cal. if you have one or can bring one

[uclaplinker]

First, you should consider what you can sell QUICKLY and make a profit on. Remember, a LARGE number of these "I wants..." are not because they CAN'T get it, but because they're unwilling to pay what it takes TO get it. Here's what you could sell quickly and at a decent ($100-150) premium over market out of state:
-AR pistol registered/marked lowers
-Kel Tecs (P3AT, P11, etc)
Moving on to bigger ticket items, these would fetch $100-200 premium:
-1911 Frames (Caspian, STI 2011, ANY others, just about, that are good)
-HK P7PSP (less turn-around, though... Selling price would be about $650-800)
-Cobrays, vector mini-Uzi pistols (NOT SWD or IMI - be savvy on laws here) These would command $300-400 premiums. You would need to make sure they're disassembled, so you don't need to deal with laws
Now, the latest and greatest:
-HK45 and compact (consistently sellng over $1500, compacts more coveted)
-HK P30 (consistently over $1400, compacts more)
-SIG P250 (unknown, likely 200-500 above out of state)
-Walther PPS (unknown, likely $200-500 above)
-HK SP89 (big money, ~$500-1000 premium, but large investment)

Revolvers are another big place for $, but you'd have to REALLY know your market and target specific models with good margins.

There are a VAST number of onesy-twosy guns people would want, but those above would have a large market of buyers.

If it were me, I know I could sell a dozen $250 pistol marked off list AR lowers that I no longer wanted.

[Tony.]

PC 12070 is about selling firearms without a license anywhere in CA. It's not exclusive to gun shows.

Not trying to get into a pissing contest, nor hijack the thread, but where does it say that PC 12070 applies to anywhere in CA? PC 12070 clearly is quoted in "12070 thru 12084 Firearms Dealer Licensing, Gun Shows"

What is the difference from someone who moves to CA and brings in a bunch of roster/non-roster guns and sells more than 6 in a year, from an original CA resident who sells more than 6 a year from his collection (accumulated over the years)? If that is the case, I am sure that there are a lot of CalGunners guilty of this misdemeanor.

[uclaplinker]

This should really be taken to another forum.

As I read it there are potential issues, and we have discussed it before, with actively seeking out buyers for importing guns.

I have some serious issues with how that law is written and can't recall what the consensus we came to was the last time it came up.

A search would likely yield some answers (try the 2A forum).

[Brass Balls]

I figure what you're after is things that are going to cost less where you are than here and the bigger spread the better.

I'd just start buying up old Colts. 70 series and earlier 1911s, Delta Elites, Pythons, Anacondas etc. If in your search you come across any older prelock S&W revolvers I'd snag those up too.

[berkeleygiraffe]

something i'm not sure if it was mentioned but any pistols with magazines would have to have 10 round magazines if i'm not mistaken.

[ivanimal]

OK this is turning into a debate so I will now move it to 2A

[rue]

Where's the list already?

[1064chubbs]

So you want a profit go for the kel-tecs. Can be had for under $270 new in free states and over $450 here. Major profit HK 45's is the way to go.

[zeleny]

P210 for cheapI believe the above only exists in our wet dreams. They're not even cheap in free states :(Least of all in Switzerland.

The P210 was always expensive. Surplus guns are more affordable, but most of the Swiss issue P49 pistols cannot be imported into the U.S. for want of manufacture date certification. Only C&R military firearms are eligible for import. The Danish m/49 pistols got in under the 50 years old provision.

Here is a deal on a California-legal C&R m/49:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=95607130

The rimfire conversion kit is an orphan separated from a late Nineties gun.

[Drifter Mike]

Don't want to throw water on this, but ,You are really playing is a gray area. I would hate to have to fight the DOJ on some of the stuff that is being talked about here. If you got some minion that has a hard on for people " skirting " the law, it could get quite expensive in court and lawyer fees to prove you can do what you are talking about. Don't think for one minute the DOJ doesn't keep a eye on these sites. It will just be time before someone gets caught in some type of trap. Be careful, try to play by the rules and you will not have to sleep in the bunk next to some BUBBA who will say in the dark " who's your daddy"!

[CenterX]

Where would IIIIIIIIII be then? Yuba City, Chico, Orland, Willows, etc?!

Central North - Tahoe to Sacramento and Stockton

Forgot about Chico. Sorry that would have made the top corner of the box.

Hope you are not distressed by this. I like Orland and Chico only 116 miles away and a nice drive when the gas price is a buck lower/gal.

[Thefeeder]

Brownings...Winchesters? Kimber of Oregon?

[hiyabrad]

Not to ruin the party, because I'd love to party with this person, but in all seriousness, does this type of post ever prove to be fruitful?

1st, there is a junior member making the post. Can anyone vouch for this person who we trust? BTW, Jr. has 4 posts.

2nd, Who is going to front the cash, the seller or buyer? My guess is not the buyer, and is the seller really going to stock up based on a bunch of us dreaming for a chance at the good stuff?

3rd, is he coming to a city near me?

4th, if you are, send me the list cause I'm a buyer!

Now I wasted my time too!

[Davidwhitewolf]

P210 for cheap




ROTFLMAO.

[Quiet]

Actively searching out buyers and taking orders for non-approved handguns before moving into CA, shows intent that you want sell and not keep handguns you bring with you to CA. This could lead you to not being classified as a personal handgun importer but as an unlicensed dealer, when you import handguns into CA and immediately sell them.

Remember, it has been know that CA DOJ monitors this forum. :TFH:

CA Penal Code 12001
(n) As used in this chapter, a "personal handgun importer" means an individual who meets all of the following criteria:
(1) He or she is not a person licensed pursuant to Section 12071.
(2) He or she is not a licensed manufacturer of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code.
(3) He or she is not a licensed importer of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(4) He or she is the owner of a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
(5) He or she acquired that pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person outside of California.
(6) He or she moves into this state on or after January 1, 1998, as a resident of this state.
(7) He or she intends to possess that pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person within this state on or after January 1, 1998.
(8) The pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person was not delivered to him or her by a person licensed pursuant to Section 12071 who delivered that firearm following the procedures set forth in Section 12071 and subdivision (c) of Section 12072.
(9) He or she, while a resident of this state, had not previously reported his or her ownership of that pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person to the Department of Justice in a manner prescribed by the department that included information concerning him or her and a description of the firearm.
(10) The pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person is not a firearm that is prohibited by subdivision (a) of Section 12020.
(11) The pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person is not an assault weapon, as defined in Section 12276 or 12276.1.
(12) The pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person is not a machinegun, as defined in Section 12200.
(13) The person is 18 years of age or older.

CA Penal Code 12070
(a) No person shall sell, lease, or transfer firearms unless he or she has been issued a license pursuant to Section 12071. Any person violating this section is guilty of a misdemeanor.

[zeleny]

But for extremely rare pistols, the market is extremely small. Look for example at the Sig 210's that Zeleny has been selling: Even though he is selling them at a very reasonable price (that has no California premium on it), it is taking him several months to sell them. Such expensive pistols have high appeal, and a very small market.Neuhausen pistols sell very fast statewide. I would prefer to keep these in California, but if that is not to be, on Gunbroker they shall go. As regards my reasonable pricing, I have the misfortune of hankering after a rare gun offered by RoCo and priced accordingly.And stay away from pistols that can not function if the barrel threads are removed, such as the Sig P210-5 (no thread -> no front sight).Except for the earliest SP47/8 "Sport" pistols, all long barrel versions of the P210 have slides with front sight dovetails filled with plates that can be removed with the standard front sight pusher. Front sights to match the micrometer rear sight are available from Numrich, in four different heights.

[uclaplinker]

No offense, but the piece of PC you posted is meaningless. All it does is define a personal handgun importer. It doesn't say anything about what that does.

You could have just as well pulled up PC that defines what a "stinky broken weasel" is, and it would be equally helpful ;)

You're allowed to be a personal firearm importer.

Actively searching out buyers and taking orders for non-approved handguns before moving into CA, shows intent that you want sell and not keep handguns you bring with you to CA. This could lead you to not being classified as a personal handgun importer but as an unlicensed dealer, when you import handguns into CA and immediately sell them.

Remember, it has been know that CA DOJ monitors this forum. :TFH:

CA Penal Code 12001
(n) As used in this chapter, a "personal handgun importer" means an individual who meets all of the following criteria:
(1) He or she is not a person licensed pursuant to Section 12071.
(2) He or she is not a licensed manufacturer of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code.
(3) He or she is not a licensed importer of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(4) He or she is the owner of a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
(5) He or she acquired that pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person outside of California.
(6) He or she moves into this state on or after January 1, 1998, as a resident of this state.
(7) He or she intends to possess that pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person within this state on or after January 1, 1998.
(8) The pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person was not delivered to him or her by a person licensed pursuant to Section 12071 who delivered that firearm following the procedures set forth in Section 12071 and subdivision (c) of Section 12072.
(9) He or she, while a resident of this state, had not previously reported his or her ownership of that pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person to the Department of Justice in a manner prescribed by the department that included information concerning him or her and a description of the firearm.
(10) The pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person is not a firearm that is prohibited by subdivision (a) of Section 12020.
(11) The pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person is not an assault weapon, as defined in Section 12276 or 12276.1.
(12) The pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person is not a machinegun, as defined in Section 12200.
(13) The person is 18 years of age or older.

CA Penal Code 12070
(a) No person shall sell, lease, or transfer firearms unless he or she has been issued a license pursuant to Section 12071. Any person violating this section is guilty of a misdemeanor.

[ontmark]

I have just about two of everything and will be looking to liquidate many NIB guns. What's "hot" for private party sale out there?

Get real guys and gals.
Who has two of everything?
Who asks what is "hot" for private party sales?
Notice the term used "Private Party Sales" they seem to know alot about ways around CA Gun Laws.

I smell something wrong here!!

[Quiet]

No offense, but the piece of PC you posted is meaningless. All it does is define a personal handgun importer. It doesn't say anything about what that does.

You could have just as well pulled up PC that defines what a "stinky broken weasel" is, and it would be equally helpful ;)

You're allowed to be a personal firearm importer.

None taken.

Part of the definition for personal handgun importer is the intent to keep the handguns being imported.

Actively seeking/taking orders for handguns is indicating you have no intent to keep the handguns you are importing. Which could result in an overzelous DA, prosecuting you as an unlicensed dealer.

Importing handguns that you intent to keep, but latter decide to sell is okay. But, bringing them in for the sole purpose of selling them is not.

[uclaplinker]

Agreed. :)

None taken.

Part of the definition for personal handgun importer is the intent to keep the handguns being imported.

Actively seeking/taking orders for handguns is indicating you have no intent to keep the handguns you are importing. Which could result in an overzelous DA, prosecuting you as an unlicensed dealer.

Importing handguns that you intent to keep, but latter decide to sell is okay. But, bringing them in for the sole purpose of selling them is not.

[hiyabrad]

Like I said earlier, this post is a waste of time as the original poster will never come through, and as always, these post just turn into back and forth debates.

[Spyder]

I still want any old IAI or AMT handguns. Anyone that wants to get rid of one, lemme know. Automags or Hardballers or anything else they made...

[Deuce]

I am looking for a .357 revolver. Let me know.

Deuce

[uclaplinker]

Ummm

I'm pretty sure those are available here... :confused:

I am looking for a .357 revolver. Let me know.

Deuce

[antiques2]

3 screw rugers,call me..................

[Riodog]

Taurus Judge (the .45LC/410 revolver) is not legal in California - it's a semi-auto short-barreled shotgun.

Could you explain this one in a lil more detail?
Rio:confused:

[Quiet]

Could you explain this one in a lil more detail?
Rio:confused:

Under CA law... The Taurus Judge is classified both as a short-barreled shotgun and as an assault weapon.

It's a short-barreled shotgun because it fires a shotgun shell and has both a barrel shorter than 18" and an overall length shorter than 26"

It's an assault weapon because it's classified as a shotgun and it has a revolving cylinder.

CA Penal Code 12020
(c)(1) As used in this section, a "short-barreled shotgun" means any of the following:
(A) A firearm which is designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell and having a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length.
(B) A firearm which has an overall length of less than 26 inches and which is designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell.
(C) Any weapon made from a shotgun (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if that weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length.
(D) Any device which may be readily restored to fire a fixed shotgun shell which, when so restored, is a device defined in subparagraphs (A) to (C) inclusive.
(E) Any part, or combination of parts, designed and intended to convert a device into a device defined in subparagraphs (A) to (C) inclusive, or any combination of parts from which a device defined in subparagraphs (A) to (C), inclusive, can be readily assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.

CA Penal Code 12276.1
(a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:
(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

[tonelar]

pretty much anything that isn't on the DOJs approved list would be a wise choice to bring with you and sell here.

Im sure there are limits to how many PPTs one can have (before arousing at least some suspicion anyways).

[Waingro]

I would say the hottest right now is the HK45.

The Walther PPS might make you some money

1911 frames are in high demand, but how much profit margin do you think you would get off one?

If you could get a deal on HK P7PSP's (around $500 bucks or so) you could most likely off them for $800-$900 in good condition.

I would say the most profit margin is in Mac clones, since they run for around $300 bucks in the free world. And some people in CA are willing to pay up to $1000 for one makes it a pretty good deal.

Micro UZI as well.

Remember, no mags over 10 rounds, no threaded barrel, etc.

[rich1967]

All -

After further consideration and much discussion with as many knowledgeable individuals as I could find (on this particular subject), I've decided to hold onto my guns when I move into CA.

I'm very sorry for this, but it seems many feel (CA DOJ included) that this very string may be legally dubious - straw sales. I'm not looking to have any storm troopers come kick in my front door as my welcome to the lovely state of CA.

I'll likely reconsider once I arrive and may come back to this forum and post the sale of a handgun or two. Again, very sorry to have so many of you "salivating" at the chance to get a new gun. I feel like the "grinch" now. rich