CCW in Contra Costa County

[Ironchef]

I did some searching and didn't find much info regarding CCC and their frequency of permit granting. I am reading http://www.californiaconcealedcarry.com/, and getting somewhat discouraged that my reasoning may get laughed at, though it's completely justified and sufficient for me to be safe (even with an armed burglary and neighbor's home invasion attempt).

I'm curious to know if any in Contra Costa County have had success, and if so, what can you divulge about your application process. If you wish to maintain privacy into your application process, feel free to comment vaguely here, and then PM me details or email me if you wish.

If you wouldn't mind, please indicate the general application procedures you took, how many forms, what resources did you have to acquire (driving record, etc), what took place in interviews, training, time investment, total costs to you, and any other pertinent information you could share to us. Thanks!

[rkt88edmo]

I did some searching and didn't find much info regarding CCC and their frequency of permit granting.

See equalccw.org CoCoCo = :mad:

[bulgron]

I don't have any particulars, but I get the impression that there's bad ju-ju in Contra Costa county. Seriously, do not get your hopes up.

Best bet is to seek information from the locals. Join the NRA and start attending your NRA Council Members meetings is a great way to start.

[RAD-CDPII]

There are a few, but not many, whodo you know or how much money do you have?
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/ccwissuances2006.pdf

[Billy Jack]

Ironchef,

You can direct a letter to the CCSD and ask for a copy of their CCW Policy. We over at californiaconcealedcarry.com are in the process of obtaining a copy to post on our site. Your Good Cause is unique to you and you alone. Do not let anyone talk you out of at least making inquiries. As to actual numbers of CCW's issued, that can be obtained by mail from the DOJ. If you contact me at our site I can provide you with a form letter for that purpose.

We have testimonials on our site that were submitted by applicants who were informed by site members, not this site, that they did not have GC. We worked with them and they went on to obtain their CCW's. The problem with many applicants is they talk themselves out of applying. We can assist any qualifed applicant with the process in vitrually any county. If someone comes forward from, say San Francisco County, we can talk them through the process with Chief Heather Fong. A qualified applicant can obtain a CCW in any county in California.

Billy Jack


www.californiaconcealedcarry.com


"When policemen break the law, then there isn't any law...just a fight for survival!" Billy Jack

[Ironchef]

Billy Jack,
First, I admire and applaud what you've done and after reading all day on various sights similar to yours (and yours), I've concluded that the advice, the process you lay out, and the way you do it is definitely the right way to go about it. Am I discouraged from trying, absolutely! Am i still considering applying, absolutely.

I have seen the numbers of current CCWs, I'm aware they're pretty much Rupf Posse members and other's good enough to hobnob with the Rupfster. I've even read some GC others have submitted and my GC seems more than reasonable. I do intend to make a certified mailing to the Antioch PD chief asking his policy on CCW permits and request an application (I'm guessing its the same as the DOJ app on your sight?). I'm not crazy about wasting $500+ on an effort that will likely fail..and I'm also not crazy to have a CCW permit denial on my record; I can just see that haunting me as a way to say I have no good moral character or something! lol

I do have a friend who is more set on a CCW and will definately try to obtain one. I have referred him to your sight and others and will support him. Since I'd like to open carry, I'd like to first be refused for a CCW.

[sierratangofoxtrotunion]

Billy Jack,
First, I admire and applaud what you've done and after reading all day on various sights similar to yours (and yours), I've concluded that the advice, the process you lay out, and the way you do it is definitely the right way to go about it. Am I discouraged from trying, absolutely! Am i still considering applying, absolutely.

I have seen the numbers of current CCWs, I'm aware they're pretty much Rupf Posse members and other's good enough to hobnob with the Rupfster. I've even read some GC others have submitted and my GC seems more than reasonable. I do intend to make a certified mailing to the Antioch PD chief asking his policy on CCW permits and request an application (I'm guessing its the same as the DOJ app on your sight?). I'm not crazy about wasting $500+ on an effort that will likely fail..and I'm also not crazy to have a CCW permit denial on my record; I can just see that haunting me as a way to say I have no good moral character or something! lol

I do have a friend who is more set on a CCW and will definately try to obtain one. I have referred him to your sight and others and will support him. Since I'd like to open carry, I'd like to first be refused for a CCW.

I've actually heard that cops sometimes can't get a CCW from Rupf. Why not I'll never figure out. Have you heard of Jim March from Pittsburg? He was shaking the bushes a couple years ago, and went to court to try to get it. From my reading, his judge in that case was a crook. Oh also Rupf often runs unopposed.

Also, I don't believe the APD chief (fun fact, he was fired from I wanna say Fairfield a couple years ago) issues them, he just tells you to go to Rupf. He's at many City Council meetings, you could just walk up to him then maybe.

I subscribe to Billy Jack's optimism. I really do believe it can be done, but I don't believe it's quick and easy.

[Ironchef]

yeah, i read a scathing post from Jim March calling out one of Rupf's posse members who was bragging about Rupf being awesome and that he has his CCW. Jim March is a badass.

[tgriffin]

I've actually heard that cops sometimes can't get a CCW from Rupf. Why not I'll never figure out. Have you heard of Jim March from Pittsburg? He was shaking the bushes a couple years ago, and went to court to try to get it. From my reading, his judge in that case was a crook. Oh also Rupf often runs unopposed.

Also, I don't believe the APD chief (fun fact, he was fired from I wanna say Fairfield a couple years ago) issues them, he just tells you to go to Rupf. He's at many City Council meetings, you could just walk up to him then maybe.

I subscribe to Billy Jack's optimism. I really do believe it can be done, but I don't believe it's quick and easy.

You will get nowhere fast by going to Antioch Chief LEO. Rupf has a memorandum of understanding (or something similar) with all of the chief LEO's in Contra Costa County that states something to the effect of that they promise not to issue CCW's. So everyone has to go through Rupf from what I understand. I've held off for some of the same reasons you have stated (denial, etc.). Im waiting to see what effect Heller may have before I apply.

[Billy Jack]

TBJ is the only organized effort to obtain applicants CCW's via the Federal courts. Have one suit filed and two others pending. You can read about them at www.californiaconcealedcarry.com

Obtaining one in Federal court is not easy and not quick. Good news is once you have it they tend to leave you alone. The only way you will get compliance in California is by taking a few select Chiefs and Sheriffs into Federal court and educating them about Due Process and Equal Protection. Client privilege prevents me from sharing more but CLEOS throughout the state and their legal counsel are aware of what we are doing and they are not pleased with us.

I urge all interested parties to visit our site and do a little reading. The legal issues are rather interesting. Most Chiefs and Sheriffs are violating 12050PC and Case Law in the issuance of CCW's. Send me your friends with Good Cause. We already know that being a friend of the Chief or Sheriff and parlaying that into a CCW will not stand a Federal court challenge. Chiefs and Sheriffs are very concerned. But, not so concerned that they will stop violating the law as they know most applicants never apply, they just post and wring their hands.

Billy Jack

[Python2]

..and I'm also not crazy to have a CCW permit denial on my record; ....... .

You should not be too worried about a CCW denial on your record...that is if it was denied because of your GC. I know of one who has been denied, moved, applied and received his CCW. If you are clean, by all means apply.

Uhh, I wonder whatever happen to good old Jim March. He has been very quiet as of late, over a year now to be exact.

[sierratangofoxtrotunion]

You should not be too worried about a CCW denial on your record...that is if it was denied because of your GC. I know of one who has been denied, moved, applied and received his CCW. If you are clean, by all means apply.

Uhh, I wonder whatever happen to good old Jim March. He has been very quiet as of late, over a year now to be exact.

Last I heard he was getting arrested for lawfully investigating election irregularities. I wanna say down by San Diego?

[vandal]

When I lived in Walnut Creek I went and asked for an application. Got ushered to the back room where the Sgt told me not to apply or I would be denied. Then he asked me right then for my good cause. He told me to hire a security guard. When I pushed it he said I could apply but I would be denied.

So I went and applied to the Sheriff. After my "good cause" interview I heard nothing. When I pushed it I was told I had to apply to Walnut Creek and be denied before I could apply to the Sheriff. That's not the law but that is their policy. Basically amounts to a double charging of the application costs. Walnut Creek has no permits issued except to reserves IIRC, and the FOIA report read that they have had no applications. I wonder why.

BTW be sure your good cause can be documented. After over a year of untraceable threatening calls I referenced the case # in my good cause only to discover that despite frequent conversations with the officer responsible for the case, had not updated it since the initial call. So my year of threatening calls became "Well I only see one call here." When we received a bomb threat at a hotel, the responding PD did not write it up. The hotel probably did not want a report for insurance reasons. The local cops are not interested in actually interviewing people who were involved. If you can't put a piece of paper in front of them forget it... at least in my experience.

I live in Pleasant Hill now. I assume they are no different. I keep hoping the threats will start up again so I will regain my good cause, but post-9/11 these groups are keeping a lower profile so they don't get branded domestic terrorists.

FUBAR

[Glock22Fan]

When I lived in Walnut Creek I went and asked for an application. Got ushered to the back room where the Sgt told me not to apply or I would be denied. He told me to hire a security guard. When I pushed it he said I could apply but I would be denied.

So I went and applied to the Sheriff. After my "good cause" interview I heard nothing. When I pushed it I was told I had to apply to Walnut Creek and be denied before I could apply to the Sheriff. That's not the law but that is their policy. Basically amounts to a double charging of the application costs. Walnut Creek has no permits issued except to reserves IIRC, and the FOIA report read that they have had no applications. I wonder why.

BTW be sure your good cause can be documented. After over a year of untraceable threatening calls I referenced the case # in my good cause only to discover that despite frequent conversations with the officer responsible for the case, had not updated it since the initial call. So my year of threatening calls became "Well I only see one call here."

FUBAR

This can be described as "Denial by run around."

Ripe for a challenge by anyone with a good Good Cause. HOWEVER, you must document all steps in writing and make sure that you have crossed every "t" and dotted every "i." Do not call in at (or phone) the police/sheriff station and request an application or ask how your application is proceding -- write instead (recorded/certified). If, like Vandal, you are making police calls, document each and every one of them at the time by recorded delivery (certified) letters to the chief. Keep all the receipts and copies of all the letters.

[Ironchef]

Would that be considered the redlining of Rupf? Where he has told all local agencies who hadn't already done the "G" to refer to him for CCWs?

For the life of me, i can't see what's going on. I can only imagine that it's for political pressure, and maybe...maybe because LEAs are soooo arrogant and retarded that they think only their training is adequate for someone carrying a gun. In my experience, it's the shooters - ranging from hobbyist/collector to the USPSA competition shooters - who are far superior in gun handling, safety, and gun usage...probably even tactical training. I've seen cops shoot..nothing to get excited about. Hell, my dad was CCC Marshal until he died and the department got absorbed by the CCC SD, and in his 11 years in the Marshal's dept, he maybe shot a total of 1000 rds...a few hundred under training conditions? Of course the Marshal's department wasn't exactly law enforcement back then..but still..how many cops do you know who haven't fired, let alone drawn down on a suspect?

[Glock22Fan]

Where he has told all local agencies who hadn't already done the "G" to refer to him for CCWs?

If they haven't formally declared G, then they must consider each and every application. They cannot issue to nobody, or consider some and not others. Zero CCW's issued (or minimal issue to select groups) can then be construed as a deliberate denial policy, which has been found to be illegal (abuse of discretion) by the Cal appeal courts. Any applicant in good standing who passes the Attorney General definition of Good Cause (as seen by the presiding judge) should be able to get a CCW.

This is the basis of the Santa Maria case. What the sheriff thinks the city should do, or what the sheriff's policy is in these cases, is totally unimportant because Santa Maria did not declare G.

This is why chiefs/sheriffs do the "Denial by run around." It enables them to say in court "But nobody has applied, your Honor!"