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Nikola
03-19-2008, 4:02 PM
I'm thinking my next purchase will be a Kalashnikov-type rifle. My question is whether there is any advantage to a RAA Saiga over a featureless AKM (planning on MMG). I don't have hicap mags, so that's not an issue. Are Saigas better somehow than, say, a Vector AK? More accurate? More reliable?

FEDUPWBS
03-19-2008, 4:07 PM
ITS RUSSIAN!

69Mach1
03-19-2008, 4:12 PM
Pro's:
Better ergonomics. Nicer finish than a WASR. Actual Russian rifle.

Con's:
Can't use AK mags. Not as many accessories for it. Not so great trigger pull.

aplinker
03-19-2008, 4:18 PM
Pro's:

Con's:
Can't use AK mags. Not as many accessories for it. Not so great trigger pull.

Highlighted one is fixed in 10minutes with $25 part.

Nikola
03-19-2008, 4:24 PM
Are the ergonomics really so great? It looks pretty awkward.

69Mach1
03-19-2008, 4:31 PM
Compared to a WASR with a monster man or no grip at all. It feels just like a shotgun or rifle stock.

Born2Lose
03-19-2008, 4:56 PM
i don't know about the WASR but the saiga comes with the side mount for mounting optics and the saigas are all new rifles not surplus. Like i said might be the same for WASR but i have hi cap mags so the saiga was a natural choice.

aplinker
03-19-2008, 4:58 PM
WASR is the WORST choice for an AK-style firearm. Friends don't let friends buy WASRs.

Steyr_223
03-19-2008, 5:30 PM
Saiga 16 or 21 inch in 308, 8 rds, cromeline barrel, made in Russia, 100% Cali Legal..

railroader
03-19-2008, 6:55 PM
My 223 saiga is really reliable. I've had it for quite a while now and it hasn't had any issues yet. The best way I can describe the trigger is to compare it to a decent sks trigger. It's not bad but it definately isn't a target trigger. Mark

1lostinspace
03-19-2008, 7:02 PM
is there a difference in barrel? does the Saiga get hotter faster? How does it work for a .223
Please PM me

vinny_land
03-19-2008, 9:38 PM
I own a 7.62x39 Saiga and i love that thing!!! I agree that the trigger is a POS but it works. As for magazines, just like Uclaplinker said in the 4th post, buy one of Dinzags bullet guides If you plan on using AK magazines.
http://www.dinzagarms.com/saiga_762x39/saiga_762x39.html

There will be some file and fit or you can just file down the mag catch. Or you can simply buy RAA magazines instead.

simonov
03-20-2008, 6:57 AM
I own a 7.62x39 Saiga and i love that thing!!! I agree that the trigger is a POS but it works. As for magazines, just like Uclaplinker said in the 4th post, buy one of Dinzags bullet guides If you plan on using AK magazines.
http://www.dinzagarms.com/saiga_762x39/saiga_762x39.html

Dinzag also sell a Tapco G2 trigger set-up adapted for the Saiga. It's a huge improvement on the factory trigger. Frankly, I can't really recommend a Saiga without the Dinzag FCG.

http://www.dinzagarms.com/misc_parts/fcgnpg.html

jacques
03-20-2008, 7:58 AM
It is all brand new. I thought about buying an AK, but then you pay just as much. The AK's you build I believe are built from imported kits or are converted Saigas anyway.

Get a Saiga, shoot it the way it is and you will like it. If you don't, convert it.

Hopi
03-20-2008, 11:03 AM
WASR is the WORST choice for an AK-style firearm. Friends don't let friends buy WASRs.

I think the PAR pump action rifles take that cake....

Bucc
03-20-2008, 11:09 AM
Dinzag also sell a Tapco G2 trigger set-up adapted for the Saiga. It's a huge improvement on the factory trigger. Frankly, I can't really recommend a Saiga without the Dinzag FCG.

http://www.dinzagarms.com/misc_parts/fcgnpg.html

Big + 1 Brian is the man.
Great customer service.

jacques
03-20-2008, 9:24 PM
DInzag is good. You guys are making me want to convert my Saiga. :eek:

vinny_land
03-20-2008, 11:30 PM
just change the FCG that Dinzag offers for the unconverted saiga. one of the calgunners here has a picture of his rifle with the FCG upgrade without doing a full conversion.

simonov
03-21-2008, 6:56 AM
just change the FCG that Dinzag offers for the unconverted saiga. one of the calgunners here has a picture of his rifle with the FCG upgrade without doing a full conversion.

That's what I did, but you can't see the Dinzag FCG from the outside.

simonov
03-21-2008, 6:57 AM
DInzag is good. You guys are making me want to convert my Saiga. :eek:

Don't convert it. Too many headaches and if you want an AK get an AK.

But there are lots of Dinzag goodies for unconverted Saigas.

Nikola
03-30-2008, 8:54 PM
Resurrection of a thread for a question:

I know AK mags won't work in an unconverted Saiga, but will Saiga mags work in an AK and/or a converted Saiga?

pbrand
03-30-2008, 9:24 PM
Saiga 16 or 21 inch in 308, 8 rds, cromeline barrel, made in Russia, 100% Cali Legal..

+1 To this. I have a Romy G AKM and I love. But, I still want a Russian made AK variant and their .308 would be an excellent addition.

bigdave1121
03-30-2008, 10:11 PM
What are Saiga 308's going for these days? Also, is there a great difference in accuracy between the 16in and 21in models?

Steyr_223
03-31-2008, 12:50 AM
What are Saiga 308's going for these days? Also, is there a great difference in accuracy between the 16in and 21in models?

I only have the 16 in, an it's pretty accurate at 50 and 75yrds..Big Mac at Irvington Arms has shot both the 16 and 21 in..IRC, he said the only difference is velocity and a bit of an advantage at 100 yrds and beyond with the 21in.. Love the Saiga 308 since it eats all 308 milsup (SA, Port, Aussie, Argentine) and Wolf steel case I feed it.

SS109
03-31-2008, 7:01 AM
Saiga 16 or 21 inch in 308, 8 rds, cromeline barrel, made in Russia, 100% Cali Legal..

You can mod the factory 8rnders into 10rnders in about 10 minutes.

tombinghamthegreat
03-31-2008, 11:42 AM
I own a 7.62x39 Saiga and i love that thing!!! I agree that the trigger is a POS but it works. As for magazines, just like Uclaplinker said in the 4th post, buy one of Dinzags bullet guides If you plan on using AK magazines.
http://www.dinzagarms.com/saiga_762x39/saiga_762x39.html

There will be some file and fit or you can just file down the mag catch. Or you can simply buy RAA magazines instead.

On the link which one is the easiest to install, is it this one http://www.dinzagarms.com/saiga_762x39/x39rtk.html
Is there a drawback to filing down the mag hatch?

vinny_land
03-31-2008, 4:42 PM
On the link which one is the easiest to install, is it this one http://www.dinzagarms.com/saiga_762x39/x39rtk.html
Is there a drawback to filing down the mag hatch?

What do you mean? Which bullet guide will work the best? You have to use the proper bullet guide for either a flat or round trunion depending what year your Saiga is. I have a flat one myself. I think the flat trunions are supposedly offered in 06'-Present models while round trunions are in earlier Saigas.

As for the mag catch. You ONLY do this if you dont want to modify the AK magazines. This will cause your Saiga mags to wiggle a bit but the Saiga mags will still fully function.

If you dont file the catch, you can individually grind down your AK mags. But honestly, if you already own and possess an AK and some mags, there is no point of filing down AK mags.

tombinghamthegreat
03-31-2008, 7:30 PM
What do you mean? Which bullet guide will work the best? You have to use the proper bullet guide for either a flat or round trunion depending what year your Saiga is. I have a flat one myself. I think the flat trunions are supposedly offered in 06'-Present models while round trunions are in earlier Saigas.


Even though i just bought my saiga it appears i have the round verision. Thanks for the help and looking foward to using AK mags.

vinny_land
03-31-2008, 10:31 PM
Even though i just bought my saiga it appears i have the round verision. Thanks for the help and looking foward to using AK mags.

The different bullet guides should all be the same to install. Hope things work out great for your gun!!!:)