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springy101
03-19-2008, 1:46 PM
I just went through the flowchart and according to that they aren't legal, unless you make it a fixed magazine. I've been reading up on doing a conversion and no one has mentioned anything about fixed magazines. Do they make a bullet button kit or something like it for a Saiga or am I missing something here?

69Mach1
03-19-2008, 1:55 PM
Fixed mag makes it legal. That's so you can have your pistol grip.
Morepoop4u makes AK mag locks so you don't have to change out your mag catch. The Radd lock will need some trimming for the factory Saiga mags. No mods to the Radd lock if you're planning to make it work with AK mags.

Lastly, don't forget about the Federal 922r law if you're going to do a conversion.

aplinker
03-19-2008, 1:59 PM
It's not mentioned because, at this point, it goes without saying. We assume someone in CA savvy enough to want to reconfigure their Saiga and to be able to follow 922(r) will also be aware of SB23.

You could also use a MMG

CRUCIFIED
03-19-2008, 2:02 PM
any bullet button for an AK will work on a saiga.
some prefer the jjperl bullet button.
others the RADD LOCK.
both work great. it's just a matter of preference.
in order to install a pistol grip you have to move the fire control group forward and go ahead with the conversion.
when removing/adding parts, 922R regulations apply. (the number of us made parts that must be installed to replace foreign parts) it's a matter of legality.
take a look at these two sites for more info:

http://www.cross-conn.com/Saiga_Conversion/

http://forum.saiga-12.com/

good luck.
i am by no means an expert, but glad to help with any questions.

springy101
03-19-2008, 2:09 PM
Thanks for all the info guys, I found the guy on here who sells the Saiga mag locks so that answered my original question. Also, isn't there an FFL who shall remain nameless who will order these?

JPglee1
03-19-2008, 2:10 PM
FWIW I love my SAIGA with the rear set trigger and regular stock... It balances nice, the trigger break is nice, the 556 is accurate (its a .223 model) and its a rugged nice gun.

I just got the prints for the AR lower... my boss has a mill and I got spare time. Im gonna try to mill up a steel "lower" from the prints to make a mag adaptor that uses te AR mag release parts, not the lever/spring like the stupid Galil adaptor does...


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69Mach1
03-19-2008, 2:12 PM
There is one other alternative to moving the fire control group forward. I took these photos at SHOT show 2008. This stock is a drop in unit, with the pistol grip attached to the stock. You still need to lock the mag, but now it has to be a US made 10 round mag to comply with 922r. Or change out enough of the other foreign parts.
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j258/FIVESIXTN/Picture2025.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j258/FIVESIXTN/Picture2026.jpg

springy101
03-19-2008, 2:15 PM
There is one other alternative to moving the fire control group forward. I took these photos at SHOT show 2008. This stock is a drop in unit, with the pistol grip attached to the stock. You still need to lock the mag, but now it has to be a US made 10 round mag to comply with 922r. Or change out enough of the other foreign parts.
[IMG]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j258/FIVESIXTN/Picture2025.jpg/IMG]
[IMG]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j258/FIVESIXTN/Picture2026.jpg/IMG]

That would be way easier, it looks kinda funky though.

69Mach1
03-19-2008, 2:51 PM
That would be way easier, it looks kinda funky though.

Not really. I like it with that top picatinny rail on top. Without the rail, I agree with you. It sort of looks like an HK or Sig 556 type rifle. There is one major problem with that set up however, the trigger is way too close. You will need to add a trigger shoe, or add to the back of the AR pistol grip.

springy101
03-19-2008, 4:18 PM
Not really. I like it with that top picatinny rail on top. Without the rail, I agree with you. It sort of looks like an HK or Sig 556 type rifle. There is one major problem with that set up however, the trigger is way too close. You will need to add a trigger shoe, or add to the back of the AR pistol grip.The trigger being so far back is what makes it funky for me, other than that it looks pretty cool.

69Mach1
03-21-2008, 12:07 PM
I just finished mine, with help from a calgunner.
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j258/FIVESIXTN/Picture035-2.jpg

mike22ca
03-21-2008, 7:13 PM
Oooh purdy... me likey. How do you like that Magpul CTR Ak setup? I was thinkin about gettin one of those from aimsurplus. Is it a lot better quality then the regular Tapco T6 adjustable?

Shane916
03-21-2008, 7:16 PM
Oooh purdy... me likey. How do you like that Magpul CTR Ak setup? I was thinkin about gettin one of those from aimsurplus. Is it a lot better quality then the regular Tapco T6 adjustable?

Way better. Virtually no wobble (when I had one on an AR) and the material just feels much more solid and durable.

69Mach1
03-21-2008, 8:48 PM
Oooh purdy... me likey. How do you like that Magpul CTR Ak setup? I was thinkin about gettin one of those from aimsurplus. Is it a lot better quality then the regular Tapco T6 adjustable?

I love it. It feels very solid. It's just a little tough to adjust, but I only keep it in one position. The Tapco unit must be a little oversize. The fact that I got it for only $56 shipped is a huge plus. Half the price offered from AIM. :D

wearemisled
03-21-2008, 8:57 PM
So does a 7.62 Saiga take normal AK mags?

69Mach1
03-21-2008, 9:03 PM
Not without installing a bullet guide, and filing down the magazine catch on the rifle. One exception is that you can use the thermold/master molder magazines without the bullet guide installed. They will work without one. You still need to file down the rifles mag catch.

wearemisled
03-21-2008, 9:07 PM
Not without installing a bullet guide, and filing down the magazine catch on the rifle. One exception is that you can use the thermold/master molder magazines without the bullet guide installed. They will work without one. You still need to file down the rifles mag catch.

OK, thanks for the quick help. Much appreciated... ;)

springy101
03-21-2008, 9:10 PM
I just finished mine, with help from a calgunner.
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j258/FIVESIXTN/Picture035-2.jpg
Thats purrrdy.

69Mach1
03-21-2008, 9:17 PM
Thanks. Here it is with it's bigger brother.
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j258/FIVESIXTN/Picture038-2.jpg
Both have fixed 10 round mags.

springy101
03-21-2008, 10:15 PM
How accurate is the Dragunuv style one?

69Mach1
03-22-2008, 12:02 AM
How accurate is the Dragunuv style one?

I have no idea. I've never shot it, but I don't think it'll be "match grade".

springy101
03-22-2008, 8:29 PM
With your Dragunuv Saiga, did you have to do anything besides attach the stock? If I use this one

http://www.gilbertsguns.com/Stocks/Saiga/Russian+Saiga+Skeletonized+Stock

It says it already fits an unmodified Saiga, so it would be much easier to do this than do a pistol grip setup correct?

Mick Travis
05-16-2008, 10:18 AM
Can you leave the Saiga stock without the pistol grip and have it modded by a gunsmith to take regular AK 30 round magazines or is that illegal?

I have used the search function but the answer to that was not clear.

thanks

scfast
05-16-2008, 6:11 PM
With your Dragunuv Saiga, did you have to do anything besides attach the stock? If I use this one

http://www.gilbertsguns.com/Stocks/Saiga/Russian+Saiga+Skeletonized+Stock

It says it already fits an unmodified Saiga, so it would be much easier to do this than do a pistol grip setup correct?The saiga "factory" upgrade stock is a choate that's the one in your link it's the same stock you can get on the gun from raa i dont know about using gilbert's though they won't sell a raa saiga in california they may not sell you the stock either.