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Michael Ehline
04-07-2014, 10:39 AM
Quote: In recent years there has been a large push on gun ownership and Veterans have been at the forefront of this push. Legislatures have focused on two groups of service members and prior military personnel to take their Second Amendment rights away with no recourse for these men and women, who served their country proudly. http://shootinglawyers.com/veterans-rights-slipping-away-legislatures-hands/

Quote: Conspicuously missing from the DHS terror watch-list are muslims. (Click to see DHS Terror watchlist.) Amazingly, DHS speaks of disgruntled vets, Christians and pro lifers as potential terrorists. In a nutshell, anyone who supports Article I Section Eight of the Constitution is now deemed a possible enemy of the state. Well, I for one became disgruntled after I read the list, which looks more like it is the enemies list of progressive liberals dreamed up by a flag burning Berkeley college professor perhaps, than a true reality of the dangers America faces. http://civilrights.ehlinelaw.com/veterans-risk-stripped-second-amendment-rights/

Neanderthal
04-07-2014, 11:01 AM
Trained to overthrow illegal or abusive governments. Looks like Obama and the Communist Dems know what "His" enemy of State is.
We Americans have a right to freedom, our Big Brother is having a hard time with that. Of course the Dems are working their rear ends of to sell Liberty for security. We gun owning Patriots and Soldiers know that will end badly and are always vigilant.

hks95134
04-07-2014, 11:11 AM
One of the disadvantages of getting PTSD treatment, apparently.

And another reason why Vet's avoid any such treatment at all.

A bottle of whiskey is still the best treatment, in my opinion.

shda5582
04-07-2014, 11:44 AM
I know this gets into conspiracy theory land....but why deny vets the ability to have firearms? Is it because they are the ones that are trained in various tactics that would be of use in an insurgency against the government, should things go that far?

Furthermore, why be afraid of the vets unless the government is actually planning on doing something that would cause the citizenry to rise up against them?

/conspiracy off

Michael Ehline
04-07-2014, 12:42 PM
I know this gets into conspiracy theory land....but why deny vets the ability to have firearms? Is it because they are the ones that are trained in various tactics that would be of use in an insurgency against the government, should things go that far?

Furthermore, why be afraid of the vets unless the government is actually planning on doing something that would cause the citizenry to rise up against them?

/conspiracy off

^^^ You answered your own question friend! :):oji:

Michael Ehline
04-07-2014, 12:45 PM
Trained to overthrow illegal or abusive governments. Looks like Obama and the Communist Dems know what "His" enemy of State is.
We Americans have a right to freedom, our Big Brother is having a hard time with that. Of course the Dems are working their rear ends of to sell Liberty for security. We gun owning Patriots and Soldiers know that will end badly and are always vigilant.

^^ Preach it!

John Galt
04-07-2014, 1:56 PM
It will hit the fan if they ever start confiscating because of being diagnosed with PTSD.

CessnaDriver
04-07-2014, 2:06 PM
The admin would want veterans disarmed for obvious reasons. But I think of the next step more......
They are remaking the military. Purging any old school commanders where possible. All the "diversity" is to have new people that will feel grateful to Obozo for giving them their "rights" and a "chance" and "equality". These people are far more willing to follow orders to fire on fellow Americans, especially if those fired upon are perceived as those that don't support the admin with all it's wonderful diversity and equality.

I'm I paranoid? I can't tell anymore with this admin.

Can'thavenuthingood
04-07-2014, 3:21 PM
Not sure about the other branches of DOD but in the Marine Corps when we enlist and reenlist we are sworn to support and defend the Constitution.
The Oath of Enlistment
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same. That I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

Part of our Leaderhip training beginning in boot camp and throughout a Marine's career is the difference between a Lawful order and a Direct order.
Plus training to think about those orders in regards to mission accomplishment, its not difficult.
Nuremburg trials were about soldiers following orders without thinking of personal responsibilites or consequences.

I suspect the current administration would prefer non thinkers and those willing to circumvent the Constitution or forget their oath.

All the retired military types I have met will support and defend the Constitution to their last breath. But then I am from a different generation and I am not sure what they are teaching now. Though my daughter is a Staff Sergeant in the Marine Corps and does seem to think as I do.

Vick

Michael Ehline
04-07-2014, 6:02 PM
Not sure about the other branches of DOD but in the Marine Coprs when we enlist and reenlist we are sworn to support and defend the Constitution.
Part of our Leaderhip training beginning in boot camp and throughout a Marine's career is the difference between a Lawful order and a Direct order.
Plus training to think about those orders in regards to mission accomplishment, its not difficult.
Nuremburg trials were about soldiers following orders without thinking of personal responsibilites or consequences.

I suspect the current administration would prefer non thinkers and those willing to circumvent the Constitution or forget their oath.

All the retired military types I have met will support and defend the Constitution to their last breath. But then I am from a different generation and I am not sure what they are teaching now. Though my daughter is a Staff Sergeant in the Marine Corps and does seem to think as I do.

Vick

^^ Hear hear.

Frito Bandido
04-07-2014, 6:46 PM
I would say they are being targeted by CA DOJ. I know a few veterans who have no criminal history but inexplicably have had lengthy DROS delays.

Jack Daniels
04-08-2014, 7:17 PM
[QUOTE=Michael Ehline;13821002]Quote: In recent years there has been a large push on gun ownership and Veterans have been at the forefront of this push. Legislatures have focused on two groups of service members and prior military personnel to take their Second Amendment rights away with no recourse for these men and women, who served their country proudly. http://shootinglawyers.com/veterans-rights-slipping-away-legislatures-hands/

Quote: Conspicuously missing from the DHS terror watch-list are muslims. (Click to see DHS Terror watchlist.) Amazingly, DHS speaks of disgruntled vets, Christians and pro lifers as potential terrorists. In a nutshell, anyone who supports Article I Section Eight of the Constitution is now deemed a possible enemy of the state. Well, I for one became disgruntled after I read the list, which looks more like it is the enemies list of progressive liberals dreamed up by a flag burning Berkeley college professor perhaps, than a true reality of the dangers America faces. [URL="http://civilrights.ehlinelaw.com/veterans-risk-stripped-second-amendment-rights/"]http://civilrights.ehlinelaw.com/veterans-risk-stripped-second-amendment-rights/[/

#1: if you put Muslims on the list you would be stereotyping them.
#2: there isn't enough paper to list them all.

ChrisC
04-09-2014, 6:54 AM
So first Obama was going to take away our guns by writing an executive order, didn't happen because it can't happen. Then it was the military was buying up all the ammo, didn't happen, no one to blame but ourselves even stated by the NRA. No is the conspiracy theory that Obama is now after vets. When is all this BS conspiracy junk going to stop?

fizux
04-09-2014, 8:41 PM
So first Obama was going to take away our guns by writing an executive order, didn't happen because it can't happen. Then it was the military was buying up all the ammo, didn't happen, no one to blame but ourselves even stated by the NRA. No is the conspiracy theory that Obama is now after vets. When is all this BS conspiracy junk going to stop?
This is CalGuns. Why would it stop?

Just because you're paranoid, that doesn't mean they aren't really out to get you.

Wolfie_AR
04-09-2014, 9:18 PM
I think the greatest threat to Veteran's 2A rights is the Government controlling the health industry (Obamacare) and the political appointment of a rabid anti-firearm Surgeon General.

Together the possibilities of finding an excuse to take away 2A rights is just a matter of time.

They have already declared that firearms in the home are a health concern and since Obamacare, every time I go the hospital/Docs/Specialist they want to know about my guns, how they're stored, etc to input into their computer and my file that is now connected via internet and shared in some .gov database.

Why knives and chainsaws aren't questioned is because someone has an agenda. What that is, is fairly clear to me. I am originally from a socialist country and know how the game is played.

ChrisC
04-10-2014, 7:14 AM
They have already declared that firearms in the home are a health concern and since Obamacare, every time I go the hospital/Docs/Specialist they want to know about my guns, how they're stored, etc to input into their computer and my file that is now connected via internet and shared in some .gov database.

They have been asking about gun for years before Obama even took office.

CessnaDriver
04-10-2014, 7:24 AM
So first Obama was going to take away our guns by writing an executive order, didn't happen because it can't happen. Then it was the military was buying up all the ammo, didn't happen, no one to blame but ourselves even stated by the NRA. No is the conspiracy theory that Obama is now after vets. When is all this BS conspiracy junk going to stop?


Not like Obozo wasn't giving guns to cartels causing massive bloodshed and trying to frame us for it. Oh wait he was.
Not like Obozo wasn't using the IRS to target political enemies so he could get re-elected. Oh wait he was.
Not like Obozo didn't try to frame some obscure film maker for his incompetence on basic protections for an embassy in a war zone. Oh wait he did.
Not like Obozo didn't go around lying about keeping your doctor and your plan to sell the American people a scam. OH wait he did.

coffeecup
04-13-2014, 8:20 AM
So first Obama was going to take away our guns by writing an executive order, didn't happen because it can't happen. Then it was the military was buying up all the ammo, didn't happen, no one to blame but ourselves even stated by the NRA. No is the conspiracy theory that Obama is now after vets. When is all this BS conspiracy junk going to stop?

It's not a conspiracy. It's the anti's using EVERY opportunity to tighten the noose of antigun actions.

They will take EVERY opportunity when and where they can get it, even against vets or retired cops. Not a smoky back room. It's out in the open.

Having said that, once all the machinery is in place to support tyranny it only takes someone who is willing. I'd say there is enough machinery in place. Is Obama willing to use it?

Henry Shooter
04-13-2014, 8:41 AM
So first Obama was going to take away our guns by writing an executive order, didn't happen because it can't happen. Then it was the military was buying up all the ammo, didn't happen, no one to blame but ourselves even stated by the NRA. No is the conspiracy theory that Obama is now after vets. When is all this BS conspiracy junk going to stop?

How soon people forget. The one thing that this administration has done is come forward and make a statement and then step back to see who will challenge it. Once they know the players those players get targeted in the future.
This administration stated that the veterans of this country were of concern with firearms. Not sure who said it, maybe Senator Boxer, but it was said within the second year of this administration
It should be of concern. You have a well trained force that is getting fed up with all the crap. We don't want to lose any of the rights we have fought for.

Can'thavenuthingood
04-13-2014, 10:33 AM
How soon people forget. The one thing that this administration has done is come forward and make a statement and then step back to see who will challenge it. Once they know the players those players get targeted in the future.
This administration stated that the veterans of this country were of concern with firearms. Not sure who said it, maybe Senator Boxer, but it was said within the second year of this administration
It should be of concern. You have a well trained force that is getting fed up with all the crap. We don't want to lose any of the rights we have fought for.

That document is here http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

Neapolitanos watch.

Vick

Webologist
04-17-2014, 9:55 PM
So first Obama was going to take away our guns by writing an executive order, didn't happen because it can't happen. Then it was the military was buying up all the ammo, didn't happen, no one to blame but ourselves even stated by the NRA. No is the conspiracy theory that Obama is now after vets. When is all this BS conspiracy junk going to stop?

When that left wing extremist stops trying to disassemble the constitution. Bury your head all you want, but don't expect the rest of us to believe that pompous, untruthful narcissist will skip any opportunity to infringe our rights.

flatbedtruckin
04-17-2014, 11:47 PM
That document is here http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

Neapolitanos watch.

Vick



OUTSTANDING ! Keep it comming!
:King::patriot:

coryhenry
04-18-2014, 9:20 AM
That document is here http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

Neapolitanos watch.

Vick

Reads like a typical intelligence report. They are always looking at the smallest things and making them seem large. Remember the safest country is one where people have no rights :TFH:

retiredAFcop
04-18-2014, 5:37 PM
Since veterans tend to skew towards conservative or libertarian political viewpoints, they appear to be being targeted by the current administration and its allies.

There appears to be a coordinated push to paint veterans as being mentally unstable and dangerous.

Classifying veterans as likely domestic terrorists was a start.

Now the talking point is that veterans are somehow too dangerous to own guns.

What will we be being told that veterans are too dangerous to do next? Teach?
Work with children?
Hold public office?
Vote?

The only "danger" that veterans (as a group) pose is that they may not vote for Democrats in large enough numbers to please the Democrat leadership..

Audiojake
04-18-2014, 7:16 PM
Another make the the public feel good mularky.

Soo many people have no idea what PTSD actually is, I have a very good Marine brother that deals with it daily.

Is a stable person and doing his best under tough situation.

You can't become a society that punishes people for something that might happen.

If that is what America is going too become, you might as well pack up the tent folks, cause it's over.

dvcrsn
04-20-2014, 3:33 PM
Not sure about the other branches of DOD but in the Marine Corps when we enlist and reenlist we are sworn to support and defend the Constitution.
Part of our Leaderhip training beginning in boot camp and throughout a Marine's career is the difference between a Lawful order and a Direct order.
Plus training to think about those orders in regards to mission accomplishment, its not difficult.
Nuremburg trials were about soldiers following orders without thinking of personal responsibilites or consequences.

I suspect the current administration would prefer non thinkers and those willing to circumvent the Constitution or forget their oath.

All the retired military types I have met will support and defend the Constitution to their last breath. But then I am from a different generation and I am not sure what they are teaching now. Though my daughter is a Staff Sergeant in the Marine Corps and does seem to think as I do.

Vick

I swore the same thing when I joined USAMEDDAC