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Timberwolf
03-13-2008, 9:49 PM
I'm testing the waters here. Have been talking with a few others about putting together a Prec / Tact Rifle match similar to the one I host now at APS except small bore version (22LR). It would be basically the same except at shorter ranges. This idea was borne amoungst a few of us that use 22LR as training rifles for our sniper rifles.

I would be hosting the intial matches at APS and if the interest is there it would spread to other venues as well such as WEGC and possibly ASR.

If you would be interested in seeing and participating in something like this post it up. If the interest is here the first match would probably be in May or June '08.

rksimple
03-13-2008, 9:52 PM
I should have a little savage by then. Sounds like fun.

wildcard
03-13-2008, 9:56 PM
I'm definitely in.

PistolPete75
03-13-2008, 10:29 PM
i got a ruger 10/22 that i could play round with.

Cypriss32
03-13-2008, 10:41 PM
I guess ill have to buy that savage and put my 10x SS if bushnell can fix it.

Cypriss32
03-13-2008, 10:44 PM
Anyone wana shoot sunday?

Timberwolf
03-13-2008, 10:57 PM
Anyone wana shoot sunday?

Sure, why not, its not like I won't already be at the range LOL

PistolPete75
03-13-2008, 10:59 PM
we will be up on sunday to aps, and a high chance to the desert afterwards. come join us adam.

i got my ammo loaded up for the weekend, since i won't be coming back home till saturday night. i barely stuffed 44grains into the lupua brass.

Timberwolf
03-13-2008, 11:00 PM
y'all do know they're calling for rain on Sunday

PistolPete75
03-13-2008, 11:04 PM
that is just peachy. we'll hope for the best. worse comes to worse i'll do an angeles right before the match. dang, i've been shooting about once a month now. never enough time to go shooting.

dd03
03-13-2008, 11:11 PM
I'm interested. I just have to get a 22 :)

PistolPete75
03-13-2008, 11:13 PM
i just got an idea.

timber, if you post this in the rifle section, you might get some more guys attending the 22lr match.

wildcard
03-14-2008, 8:19 AM
that is just peachy. we'll hope for the best. worse comes to worse i'll do an angeles right before the match. dang, i've been shooting about once a month now. never enough time to go shooting.

Let's shoot next friday before the match :)

wildcard
03-14-2008, 8:22 AM
y'all do know they're calling for rain on Sunday

Of course we know.. we shoot rain or shine even when practicing because we're just that hard core! :cool2:

Prc329
03-14-2008, 8:27 AM
I guess a trip to Turners is in order.

wildcard
03-14-2008, 8:31 AM
I guess a trip to Turners is in order.

Only as a last resort..

Unfortunately it makes too much sense to do since a 10/22 is only ~$200. I want to get a blank receiver with all the upgrades from discountguns or whatever.. but they've been out of stock for awhile. gunkings has some.. but priced a little higher in comparison.

Prc329
03-14-2008, 8:38 AM
I was actually going to call Ammo Bros first and see what they can do. Unfortunately, lately Turners has had the best prices on thing but been out of stock. Ammo Bros matched there prices for me a couple of times.

The Stockade is just ridiculously high.

rksimple
03-14-2008, 8:55 AM
Jason-have you used wolf mt or any match eley stuff in your 10/22? I can't get mine to cycle with the match stuff, other than automatch from fed.

rksimple
03-14-2008, 8:58 AM
For that reason, I want to get a bolt. Maybe a savage mkII with the thumbhole, or a cz 452 varmint.

wildcard
03-14-2008, 9:06 AM
Jason-have you used wolf mt or any match eley stuff in your 10/22? I can't get mine to cycle with the match stuff, other than automatch from fed.

Wolf MT functioned perfectly in my 10/22. Of course it has probably been at least a few years since I've used it. My secret ammo is using Winchester Target which I used to get similar results with :) Cheaper and more readily accessible.

Are you just getting a lot of stovepipes? Could be the extractor too. Lot of people have problems only after extended use because of the extractor getting worn.

Timberwolf
03-14-2008, 9:07 AM
Jason-have you used wolf mt or any match eley stuff in your 10/22? I can't get mine to cycle with the match stuff, other than automatch from fed.

That's common - target ammo is std velocity (subsonic) and most autos are set to run with high velocity (supersonic). Fed Automatch is supersonic.

rksimple
03-14-2008, 9:14 AM
Not the extractor at all. It wouldn't even make it out of the chamber. I wonder if green tag would do any better.

Timberwolf
03-14-2008, 9:28 AM
Not the extractor at all. It wouldn't even make it out of the chamber. I wonder if green tag would do any better.

CCI Green Tag is std velocity - you can try it but . . .

glockman19
03-14-2008, 9:36 AM
I prefer CCI mini-mag high velocity 40 grain ammo in my 10/22.

PistolPete75
03-14-2008, 9:37 AM
i totally forgot, i have access to an old remington .22 bolt action but i think it's only a single shot. might be interesting to tinker with it. mayby i can get the action machined to fit a bottom metal of some sort.

Prc329
03-14-2008, 9:39 AM
i totally forgot, i have access to an old remington .22 bolt action but i think it's only a single shot. might be interesting to tinker with it. mayby i can get the action machined to fit a bottom metal of some sort.

There was a guy on the hide that built a trainer out of a Remington 22 and an AICS stock.

wildcard
03-14-2008, 9:40 AM
There was a guy on the hide that built a trainer out of a Remington 22 and an AICS stock.

That would make for one expensive .22

rksimple
03-14-2008, 9:41 AM
If its a remmy 40x in 22, that would work in an AICS.

Prc329
03-14-2008, 9:41 AM
If its a remmy 40x in 22, that would work in an AICS.

Now that you mention it I think it was.

Timberwolf
03-14-2008, 10:00 AM
Still would be an expensive 22. 40Xs aren't cheap and neither is the AICS. The closest I've found to the feel of an AICS without breaking the bank is the Savage Mk II BTVS.

PistolPete75
03-14-2008, 10:14 AM
i think it is a 40x. joe can help me with the machining, and i'll i really need is a barrel. i can use my 700p hs stock. i have two hs stocks in my inventory. not the same feel as the aics, but i have a tendency to get used to different firearms quickly.

the 40x would be free. it was given to my brother in law by a family friend. it's just sitting around in their house collecting dust.

wildcard
03-14-2008, 10:24 AM
i think it is a 40x. joe can help me with the machining, and i'll i really need is a barrel. i can use my 700p hs stock. i have two hs stocks in my inventory. not the same feel as the aics, but i have a tendency to get used to different firearms quickly.

the 40x would be free. it was given to my brother in law by a family friend. it's just sitting around in their house collecting dust.

I thought that was a tube fed 22..

PistolPete75
03-14-2008, 10:27 AM
I thought that was a tube fed 10/22..

he has a ruger 10/22, and an old *** remington bolt action single feeder for a 22lr.

i was looking at it a couple of months ago, and it still works. a little bit of rust, but in good condition. looking at some pics in the web of a 40x, i think it's the same action. i'm sleeping at the in-laws house tonight, so i'm going to ask if i can have it. i'm sure i'll get it.

come by and drink a few beers with me.

wildcard
03-14-2008, 10:30 AM
he has a ruger 10/22, and an old *** remington bolt action single feeder for a 22lr.

i was looking at it a couple of months ago, and it still works. a little bit of rust, but in good condition. looking at some pics in the web of a 40x, i think it's the same action.

I hate it when somebody reads my post before I can edit it for corrections. My mistake then becomes locked in! :)

I didn't mean to write 10/22..

I thought the older .22 you're talking about had a tube magazine going the length of the barrel. Is it the one we saw at your condo/ the one at Joe's?

PistolPete75
03-14-2008, 10:34 AM
nope not that one. i gave that to joe's little girl.

this is a different rifle.

PistolPete75
03-14-2008, 10:43 AM
read above

:cheers2: come by for a beer.

wildcard
03-14-2008, 10:52 AM
read above

:cheers2: come by for a beer.

Saw it.. just had to do some checking. Just promised the g/f i'd go out to dinner then i'm free to come have a few beers :) Going to FIL's place is a LOT closer than yours.

Timberwolf
03-14-2008, 10:53 AM
If you've got an old 40X single shot laying around we will be very good friends - - - if you can get your hands on it by Sunday bring it out to APS wiith you - - - I've spent many many many hours behind a 40X butt plate and would love to put my hands on one again - sweet memories

wildcard
03-14-2008, 10:57 AM
I've spent many many many hours behind a 40X butt... and would love to put my hands on one again - sweet memories

Chubby chaser! To each his own I suppose.. it's a bit much for my taste :43:

PistolPete75
03-14-2008, 11:05 AM
i'll bring it by, but i don't want to shoot it yet. don't know how safe it is still i take it apart and rebuild it.

Timberwolf
03-14-2008, 11:08 AM
Chubby chaser! To each his own I suppose.. it's a bit much for my taste :43:

the bone is for the dog the meat is for the man

wildcard
03-14-2008, 11:15 AM
the bone is for the dog the meat is for the man

Well if that's the case.. then I only have one thing to say..


Ruff! Ruff!

PistolPete75
03-14-2008, 11:21 AM
took me awhile to figure out what you are were talking about.

Timberwolf
03-14-2008, 11:24 AM
took me awhile to figure out what you are were talking about.

alrighty then, ah sheltered childhood?

PistolPete75
03-14-2008, 11:25 AM
i've been a little slow lately. i got my mind spread around in so many places. being a jack of all trades is starting to get to me.

Timberwolf
03-14-2008, 11:28 AM
Well if that's the case.. then I only have one thing to say..


Ruff! Ruff!

In time, you will learn to appreciate the benefits of a well built luxury car rather than a sleek sports car.

Timberwolf
03-14-2008, 11:29 AM
i've been a little slow lately. i got my mind spread around in so many places. being a jack of all trades is starting to get to me.

Ah I believe the appropriate term is "jack of all trades and master of none"

wildcard
03-14-2008, 11:31 AM
I think the Wolf is feeling philosophical today.

Timberwolf
03-14-2008, 11:38 AM
I think the Wolf is feeling philosophical today.

Its Friday

wildcard
03-14-2008, 11:42 AM
Hey Peter.. I just remembered.. we have homework due tomorrow!

PistolPete75
03-14-2008, 11:48 AM
Ah I believe the appropriate term is "jack of all trades and master of none"

jake of all trades, master of one for me. real estate is what i do best.

PistolPete75
03-14-2008, 11:49 AM
Hey Peter.. I just remembered.. we have homework due tomorrow!

we can do it while we drink beer.

Timberwolf
03-14-2008, 11:51 AM
we can do it while we drink beer.

homework & beer

how can one enlighten the mind while dulling the senses

PistolPete75
03-14-2008, 11:55 AM
and i'll take some medication too. that'll enlighten my senses.

Timberwolf
03-14-2008, 12:19 PM
:no:

PistolPete75
03-14-2008, 12:23 PM
just playing around. it's friday!

ar15barrels
03-14-2008, 2:20 PM
Looks like I should dig out my Remington 513T.

It already has a nice Redfield rear sight with parker-hale adjustable aperature and a Lyman front globe with a spirit level I added to it.
I have a freeland handstop and a freeland adjustable buttplate to add and it's done. :)

Cypriss32
03-14-2008, 6:28 PM
Allright Pete Ill give you a call tommarrow night and see what you guys want to do.

CSACANNONEER
03-14-2008, 6:31 PM
Let me know more about what kind of shooting you're talking about. Prone, off-hand, BR, etc. Would I need a bipod? I'm interested and it would give me a chance to pull out my old $75 Mossberg M42 that I topped with a Simmons 6-24 for silloutte shooting back in the 80's. Or, should I plan on using my Mossberg M44 with peep sites?

PistolPete75
03-14-2008, 8:00 PM
dammit, it's not the 40x. i dunno what kind of action it is. came off a model 514.

Timberwolf
03-14-2008, 11:15 PM
These will be basically the same type of match as the regular Prec / Tact match except at shorter ranges and with 22LRs. All four of the basic positions will be utilized, no BR. It will be shoot of the pad, in the dirt or as usual anywhere else I think we can shoot from or aff of. As with its highpower brother the 22LR rifle should be equiped with a scope with a ranging reticle of some type, a good sling and either a bipod or ruck. Rear sand bags are allowed.

shooter65
03-16-2008, 8:37 AM
I'm in.

CavTrooper
03-16-2008, 11:11 AM
22lrs only or any rimfires? I own 17hmrs, no 22s.

When and where will yall be shooting this match? Id love to check it out.

PUFF
03-16-2008, 12:22 PM
Might bring out my old 10/22. Had it built dang near 20 years ago. It's still good as critter getter. Gotta see how it shoot for groups after all these years.

Steve

Cypriss32
03-16-2008, 12:44 PM
Guess im gona need to order my savage.

Timberwolf
03-23-2008, 10:34 PM
UPDATE

I have gotten approval to run the 22 Tac/Preci rifle matches at APS. It looks like the first match will be in June. I will post up the date and info soon, just need to work out the schedule and etc.

PistolPete75
03-24-2008, 10:39 AM
hurry up and start the matches. my 30cal ammo supply is getting too low.

wildcard
03-24-2008, 10:46 AM
Can't wait. I need to devote more time into using the .22 just to keep shooting affordable anyways!

PistolPete75
03-24-2008, 10:51 AM
tell me about it. 2008 = broke ***

PistolPete75
03-24-2008, 12:01 PM
are people hoarding bullets? i was looking at midway at noslers 168s are out of stock.

Timberwolf
03-24-2008, 12:04 PM
The HP season is starting up

PistolPete75
03-24-2008, 12:11 PM
i should have bought some more noslers last month. i know for sure when they get back in stock it's going up like $50 per 1k. snoozers loose.

anyone know where the best place to buy 168smk?

rksimple
03-24-2008, 12:17 PM
i should have bought some more noslers last month. i know for sure when they get back in stock it's going up like $50 per 1k. snoozers loose.

anyone know where the best place to buy 168smk?

I'd wait for the noslers. They're still going to be cheaper than the smk's. Powder valley had the smks in stock when we ordered everything. Jason got some.

It seems people are buying now, before prices go up even more. I'm glad I have 4k scenars on hand so I don't have to worry about supply for a while. But when I do, I'm sure prices will be sky high.

PistolPete75
03-24-2008, 12:22 PM
I'd wait for the noslers. They're still going to be cheaper than the smk's. Powder valley had the smks in stock when we ordered everything. Jason got some.

It seems people are buying now, before prices go up even more. I'm glad I have 4k scenars on hand so I don't have to worry about supply for a while. But when I do, I'm sure prices will be sky high.

30cal is sure getting pricey to shoot. i'm down to my last 80rounds, and i have a box of 250 that jason hooked me up with. should last me till end of april. i'll wait it out a few more weeks and see what happens to the supply.

what we need is a bullet maker in our group!

wildcard
03-24-2008, 12:45 PM
Yeah.. Powder Valley is the cheapest for the 168 SMKs.. the next best place to get bullets is through the Bauer Arms Ongoing Sierra group buy which isn't too much more expensive.

rksimple
03-24-2008, 1:14 PM
I can make cast bullets, but I don't think you guys want that.

Prc329
03-24-2008, 1:19 PM
I can make cast bullets, but I don't think you guys want that.

Have you tried them? how do they perform?

rksimple
03-24-2008, 2:58 PM
Have you tried them? how do they perform?

I haven't really ever tried them for accuracy. You can't push them faster than about 2200 fps and their BC sucks. I've toyed around with loading some for 100 yard off hand practice. Just haven't got to it yet. I'd load them up with 10 grains or so of Unique to give the 165 cast about 1300 fps.

PistolPete75
03-25-2008, 2:21 PM
how about precision bolt, .223? that'll be cool too. cheaper to reload, and we can go to like 600yards.

Timberwolf
03-25-2008, 2:35 PM
how about precision bolt, .223? that'll be cool too. cheaper to reload, and we can go to like 600yards.

You can use a precision bolt 223 in our normal matches. And with the right ammo it will go to 1K.

PistolPete75
03-25-2008, 2:41 PM
the game has diffinitely been uped this year. a light .223 rifle might work with the right setup. my barrel twist is 1:12 which limits my choice of good bullets. i wonder if 69grainers bthp are doable on a 1:12 twist barrel?

Timberwolf
03-25-2008, 2:46 PM
the game has diffinitely been uped this year. a light .223 rifle might work with the right setup. my barrel twist is 1:12 which limits my choice of good bullets. i wonder if 69grainers bthp are doable on a 1:12 twist barrel?

Not sure - I recommend a 1:9 or 1:8

PistolPete75
03-25-2008, 2:51 PM
Not sure - I recommend a 1:9 or 1:8

that sounds like more money for me. wondering if the 1:12 stock barrel might work out?

Timberwolf
03-25-2008, 2:53 PM
Try it and see - I'm guessing you'll have to push 'em hard though.

PistolPete75
03-25-2008, 2:58 PM
hmm interesting idea. gonna go look at jbm.

PistolPete75
03-25-2008, 3:04 PM
you would have to be a master wind caller shooting a 69bthp to 1000yards with 10-15mph wind. serious disadvantage when there is wind.

Timberwolf
03-25-2008, 3:10 PM
thats what makes it interesting - hell if it was easy everyone could do this

PistolPete75
03-25-2008, 3:14 PM
wouldn't be a bad idea if the rifle was light. in terms of your match, it would only be a serious disadvantage on the 865yard shot, but might be an advantage in the other stages IF there wasn't too much wind. i might tinker around with the idea. my varmint rifle has been getting no love.

wildcard
03-25-2008, 3:36 PM
Wouldn't it make more sense to just build a lighter .308 so you don't disadvantage yourself?

Timberwolf
03-25-2008, 3:48 PM
The ideal rifle IMHO for my matches would be the new Rem VTR in 308. Light, short, upward ported and from what I've seen fairly accurate.

I hate to say it but I've been known to test some of my COFs with either my Rem Mod 7 (308) or my short barreled M40A1 to keep from lugging around Savannah.

PistolPete75
03-25-2008, 3:50 PM
Wouldn't it make more sense to just build a lighter .308 so you don't disadvantage yourself?

just fooling around with an idea. it'll be a hoot shooting with a .223 again, just for fun. my main rig will always be my heavy .308 rifle.

wildcard
03-25-2008, 4:06 PM
I really want to chop my .308 barrel down to 18".. but don't want to tweak anything.

Hmm.. need a decent FFP scope for my next build but don't want to blow 3k.. I guess my best bet is still a SH IOR.

CSACANNONEER
03-25-2008, 4:47 PM
tell me about it. 2008 = broke ***

Try shooting 50s. Last week I loaded 300+ rounds with components I bought a few years ago. I'm not sure how often I'll be able to afford to attend matches when I have to restock. Now .510 Amaxes are retailing for over $2 each! Good unfired brass has sold quickly for $2 each. I've seen RWS primers sell for $0.75 each and, powder just keeps going up too. I'll dust my old smallbore silloette gun off and try to be at APS in June. I'll be able to tell my wife that ever .22 match I shoot is saving me hundreds, if not thousands of dollars!

Fjold
03-25-2008, 5:50 PM
OK, you guys have peaked my interest. I've got a CZ 452 American (bolt gun) and an accurized 10/22. Unfortunately I only have one magazine for the CZ.

What kind of magazine capacity do I need and how many reloads are you anticipating? I can use my 10/22 as I have some high caps for that.

Timberwolf
03-25-2008, 5:55 PM
OK, you guys have peaked my interest. I've got a CZ 452 American (bolt gun) and an accurized 10/22. Unfortunately I only have one magazine for the CZ.

What kind of magazine capacity do I need and how many reloads are you anticipating? I can use my 10/22 as I have some high caps for that.

Most if not all of the stages will require no more than 5 rounds, I would run with the CZ - there will be no individual timed events with ties being decided by a smallest group shootoff.

PUFF
03-25-2008, 9:51 PM
Hey T'Wolf, Make it a mid range, high round count match.
I'll bring a 223 with one of my mag kits.

MILLITIAof1
03-25-2008, 11:17 PM
is there a official date for this shindig?

Timberwolf
03-25-2008, 11:30 PM
Guys before all get excited this is a precision small bore rifle match, no high round count just a few rounds that count. The ranges will be between 50 and 200 yards with a 400 yard shot or two maybe thrown in for good measure. The std position will be prone with a bipod, pack or sling, with sitting, kneeling and off hand intermingled.

I'm looking at the 2nd Sat of the month starting in June '08 and will make a formal match announcment when I work out all the details.

timmyb21
03-25-2008, 11:38 PM
I'd be interested. Excuse to use the tax return... :)

Pascal
03-26-2008, 10:06 AM
Timberwolf...I did quite some long distance 22LR recently and from that experience, for most of us a 400 yards is not possible. Not because of the round itself but the extreme elevation necessary to achieve that.

In my 10X Bushnell scope, in order to set it a 300 yards, I need to reset my scope with a zero for 200 yards and I still have to use 6.6 MILS which is already slightly off the mildots reticle.

At 400 yards, the elevation needed for the standard velocity (Like WOLF Target or GREEN TAG) is 80 MOAs :eek:

Factually the 250 yards requires the same elevation as a 1000 yards shot (around 40 MOAs).

Do some tests though but I think 250 -300 yards should be a max. 400 yards may be too far for most scopes. I know it is with my 10X Tactical Mildots Bushnell

Timberwolf
03-26-2008, 10:14 AM
I don't think I'd use 400 as a scoring target unless it was a bonus of some sort. With a 10X scope and a 100 yard zero I have to hold almost to the bottom of the scope to hit the buff at APS with std vel ammo. But it is challenging to try and float one in - admittedly the most I've been able to get was 7 out of 10 hits on a calm day - forget it if the breeze picks up.

Actually though I believe most shots will be between 50 and 200

Pascal
03-26-2008, 10:27 AM
Yeah, I can't do it (400 yards) with my current setup, it's way off my scope, even the bottom of my reticle. It would be a complete guess, like pointing the rifle up without using the scope.

If you do it, I'll borrow my son's rifle (he probably will be using the 10/22) and it should work.

Pascal
03-26-2008, 10:29 AM
By the way, for anyone interested:

22LR DATASHEET (Elevation chart, Wind, etc...) for Standard Velocity (Wolf Target, Green Tag)

DOWNLOAD HERE (http://www.baudarstudio.com/shooting/22Cal_datasheet.pdf)

The WIND works great with the mildots and 10X - basically one MIL for 10 MPH, double that at 200 yards, etc...

Timberwolf
03-26-2008, 10:40 AM
I like that chart. If I remember correctly with my Bushnell 10X on my rifle I used Fed Auto Match, which is hi vel, to hit the buff. With a Mueller 8.5 - 25 on it I used Aguila Match (std vel) and set the scope as low as it would go to have enough hold over with a 100 yard zero. Its interesting just how high you have to hold and just what even the tiniest breeze will do. Anyway kinda like hitting ateel at 1200 and 1300 with a 308 - its fun to see if you can do it but not practical.

Pascal
03-26-2008, 10:47 AM
OOOOOOOooohhh

U're using HIGH VELOCITY... a WIND CHEATER :D

See how you are, we just starting this thing and it's already an equipment race :eek:

Next thing you know, you gonna have people using CCI Velociraptor!!!!!!!!! :eek:

The 22LR can actually be quite fun cause of all the different ammo. I don't think any "high velocity" would work well in a precision match but...some people will probably use some, I'm interested to see the results.

I'm game on the 400 yards, I'll buy some high velocity ammo and do some test at 400 yards. Hopefully I'll be able to use my 10X Bushnell.

This is quite fun, a bit like when I started the long range, figuring stuff out and trying new things.

Timberwolf
03-26-2008, 10:50 AM
Get some Fed Auto Match, its pretty good and not that expensive. From my bench on the end you'll need to place the buff almost at the bottom of the reticle and adjust for wind accordingly.

By the way you really have to listen for the hit - it makes a cute little "tink"

ar15barrels
03-26-2008, 12:55 PM
Next thing you know, you gonna have people using CCI Velociraptor!!!!!!!!! :eek:

That Velociraptor stuff can barely keep up with my 22mag stuff so why bother? :rolleyes:

Pascal
03-26-2008, 1:31 PM
I wasn't being serious...

I would not see any advantages with using the velociraptor on this kind of match, most of it is precision and if I recall correctly the CCI bullet is smaller too thus would be more prone to wind at longer distance.

Yeah, 22mag is another beast...won't even compare it.

It's a 22LR match though...

Timberwolf
03-26-2008, 1:35 PM
I can see 22LR match ammo sales going up as people either get a new rifle or pull one out of moth balls and start the tedious task of seeing what flavour the particular rifle likes.

FYI get it on line, Turners stocks very little match grade 22LR and forget Walmart.

Pascal
03-26-2008, 1:40 PM
I get my ammo from ASR. Everytime I go there I buy a brick. It's cheaper than online. I've got 2000 Wolf Target so far (which you can't find easily online)

Timberwolf
03-26-2008, 1:48 PM
My rifle shoots extremely well with Eley but I refuse to pay over 10.00 for a box of 50 22LR. It also shoots Aguila and Wolf Match well, so I shoot Aguila which is about 1/2 the price as the Wolf.

wildcard
03-26-2008, 1:57 PM
I shoot Aguila which is about 1/2 the price as the Wolf.

I like the way it smells.

Y'all should try some Winchester T22. Groups very well in my rig.

Timberwolf
03-26-2008, 2:00 PM
I like the way it smells.

Y'all should try some Winchester T22. Groups very well in my rig.

Tried it - went over 1" at 50 yards in my rifle. Aguila is one little hole at 50 with the occassional flyer and I like the smell.

wildcard
03-26-2008, 2:30 PM
I get my ammo from ASR. Everytime I go there I buy a brick. It's cheaper than online. I've got 2000 Wolf Target so far (which you can't find easily online)

http://www.championshooters.com/store/product.php?productid=478

CSACANNONEER
03-26-2008, 5:03 PM
My rifle shoots extremely well with Eley but I refuse to pay over 10.00 for a box of 50 22LR. It also shoots Aguila and Wolf Match well, so I shoot Aguila which is about 1/2 the price as the Wolf.

I only shot Eley once. I got a few thousand rounds of brown box from the '84 Olyimpics. Within the first ten shots, I had a case-head separation in my bolt action silloutte rifle and got bad powder burns in my eye. Luckly, I was at a private club and the member shooting next to me was a MD. I didn't take any more chances and returned the ammo to the guy I got it from. My rifle likes the cheap Winchester standard velocity stuff anyway.

Pascal
03-27-2008, 8:57 AM
ASR is $50 with taxes.

Champion would probably come to that with the shipping, etc...

Is there an Hazmat fee on rimfire? I actually want to try some specific precision brands like Eley, Lapua, etc..

The Gunslinger
03-31-2008, 3:21 PM
what will the course of fire be? I understand 50 -200 yds, but what size targets and all that.Just want to get myself ready..I hae to get my self some match ammo all I ever use is remington gold....Thanks Can't wait.Cheers! something that might also be kinda kool is a steel chalange type shoot with ..22 auto pistols

Timberwolf
03-31-2008, 3:36 PM
I will be incorporating some of the targets Pascal posted and possible some reactive targets. I would practice with targets between 1 - 1.5 MOA for the given range. Also practice your positional shooting.

Pascal
03-31-2008, 10:04 PM
Here are some of the targets that "may" get used. It's Timberwolf's decision as to which one...


100 Yards Cercle (http://www.tacticalprecisionrimfire.com/targets/100Yardscercle.pdf)

Hostage Target (http://www.tacticalprecisionrimfire.com/targets/1hostage.pdf)

2 hostages (http://www.tacticalprecisionrimfire.com/targets/2HostagesGrey.pdf)

5 Dots Drill (http://www.tacticalprecisionrimfire.com/targets/5dots.pdf)

Best Group Target (http://www.tacticalprecisionrimfire.com/targets/BestGroup.pdf)

Five Hostages (http://www.tacticalprecisionrimfire.com/targets/FivehostagesGrey.pdf)

Intruder (http://www.tacticalprecisionrimfire.com/targets/Intruder.pdf)

Know Ur Limits (http://www.tacticalprecisionrimfire.com/targets/Knowyourlimits.pdf)

150 yards Silhouette (http://www.tacticalprecisionrimfire.com/targets/Man100-150Yards.pdf)

UKD 0 to 250 yards target (http://www.tacticalprecisionrimfire.com/targets/UKD.pdf)

Cold Bore target (http://www.tacticalprecisionrimfire.com/targets/coldbore.pdf)

Teletiger7
03-31-2008, 11:37 PM
SO, when where is this match gonna be held??? I'm interested.

Timberwolf
04-01-2008, 9:27 AM
SO, when where is this match gonna be held??? I'm interested.

As stated before the matches will start in June and will probably be set for the second Saturday of the month. I will make a match announcment as we get closer.

Teletiger7
04-01-2008, 5:34 PM
As stated before the matches will start in June and will probably be set for the second Saturday of the month. I will make a match announcment as we get closer.

Thanks. This sounds like alot of fun.

PistolPete75
04-01-2008, 7:27 PM
i was at turner's today. anyone know anything about a browning 22lr bolt action? will it hold 1 moa with match ammo?

PistolPete75
04-01-2008, 7:36 PM
how about this savage?

http://www.bigskyguns.com/Rim_Fire_Rifles-Savage_Arms_Mako_22lr.html

rksimple
04-01-2008, 9:29 PM
Should be good Pete. Looks like the one I ordered today, a Savage Mark IIJTV. The stock looks a bit different, but the actions seem like they're all the same. I think its a special run through Jerrys Sports Center. Looks like this:

https://www.jerryssportscenter.com/images/products/full/sag28725.jpg

PistolPete75
04-01-2008, 10:19 PM
Should be good Pete. Looks like the one I ordered today, a Savage Mark IIJTV. The stock looks a bit different, but the actions seem like they're all the same. I think its a special run through Jerrys Sports Center. Looks like this:

https://www.jerryssportscenter.com/images/products/full/sag28725.jpg

how much did you pay? i know you always find the best deals out there.

rksimple
04-01-2008, 10:33 PM
how much did you pay? i know you always find the best deals out there.

315 or so I think, plus the usual fees. Its from a local dealer here. I could have found it cheaper elsewhere (at a bigger store), but with the price of fuel, I'd spend more in the long run.

wildcard
04-01-2008, 10:33 PM
how about this savage?

http://www.bigskyguns.com/Rim_Fire_Rifles-Savage_Arms_Mako_22lr.html

That's a pretty good price. I might order that along with a Ruger 10/22.

PistolPete75
04-01-2008, 10:40 PM
how accurate is the savage?

rksimple
04-01-2008, 10:44 PM
how accurate is the savage?

I've heard of them hanging with the cz's without a problem. Bill and Pascal have mark II's I think. They should be able to say with more certainty.

PistolPete75
04-01-2008, 10:53 PM
k going to spin the question around the other way. how accurate are the 22lr dpms complete upper for an ar platform?

rksimple
04-01-2008, 11:01 PM
k going to spin the question around the other way. how accurate are the 22lr dpms complete upper for an ar platform?

Probably not as accurate or reliable as you're going to want for competition. With match ammo, many semi's choke.

PistolPete75
04-01-2008, 11:02 PM
then, it looks like the savage is the best choice as for the best bang for the buck category.

Timberwolf
04-01-2008, 11:36 PM
PAscal and I have the same rifle and scope - We have Sav Mk II BTVS topped with Bushnell 3200 10X40s.

I'm trying to sell the Mueller that I had on it during load development to get a Nikon 4-14

PistolPete75
04-01-2008, 11:48 PM
i also want to check out the cz 452 american model. doesn't have the thumbhole stock, but it's supposed to be a shooter. i have a super sniper 10x that's going to go on the new 22lr rifle.

PistolPete75
04-01-2008, 11:53 PM
i might give them a call tomorrow. awesome price at $279

http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com/2008/02/25/cz-452-american-22lr-for-27999-at-cdnn/

rksimple
04-02-2008, 11:32 AM
The CZ is a shooter. A friend has the 452 Varmint and it is sweet. I don't think you'll be disappointed.

wildcard
04-02-2008, 11:51 AM
The difference being that the varmint model has a bull barrel and costs a little more. I wonder if there will be any difference in accuracy.

rksimple
04-02-2008, 12:05 PM
The difference being that the varmint model has a bull barrel and costs a little more. I wonder if there will be any difference in accuracy.

Many say the difference in accuracy is negligible. I'd buy the 452 varmint if I didn't want the thumbhole on the savage so bad.

Timberwolf
04-02-2008, 12:19 PM
Just my two cents worth - it is important that your small bore platform and your HP platform be similar in feel otherwise you will have a hard time in transition between the two. If they are similar your 22LR time will help your HP shooting as the 22LR will help you recognize any bad habits not readily apparent with shooting HP. That said those of you shooting AICS platforms should look at a rifle with a thumbhole stock so that the feel and muscle memory is similar.

rksimple
04-02-2008, 12:25 PM
Just my two cents worth - it is important that your small bore platform and your HP platform be similar in feel otherwise you will have a hard time in transition between the two. If they are similar your 22LR time will help your HP shooting as the 22LR will help you recognize any bad habits not readily apparent with shooting HP. That said those of you shooting AICS platforms should look at a rifle with a thumbhole stock so that the feel and muscle memory is similar.

I agree. I want the muscle memory of bolt manipulation and replacing my hand through the thumbhole each time. If you get used to just laying your hand back after working the bolt, as I have been with normal stocks, it takes a little thinking to get your hand back through there. Training with the savage is going to be nice.

wildcard
04-02-2008, 12:25 PM
I just want something to get some bolt action trigger time. The thumbhole isn't really an issue to me since i don't shoot one on my other rigs. The CZ 452 American at CDNN is a darn fine deal at $300.. but the Varmint model can be had for $400. Decisions.. decisions..

PistolPete75
04-02-2008, 3:23 PM
made it easy. varmint models at gunbroker going for about $359

wildcard
04-02-2008, 4:07 PM
Just had a look at my piggy bank.. looks like it'll be about a few months before I start throwing down the benjamins.

postal
04-02-2008, 6:27 PM
Mentioned it on another forum but wanna put it here too-

Similarity between 22 trainer and hp is nice.... but a big potential problem is that you get used to the short bolt stroke of the 22, and in a match with your biggun, you short stroke your bolt on a rapid fire and cause a jam....

For this reason, I dont think it matters a great deal how similar the 2 rifles are, because there's going to be a fundamental difference in the bolt cycling.

Just something to consider.

Timberwolf
04-02-2008, 6:30 PM
That is true but having similar ergonomics is important otherwise what you learn, or re-learn as is usually the case, on the 22 (the basics) will be lost in the transition.

PistolPete75
04-02-2008, 9:15 PM
Just exploring my options. Are 17hmr rifles allowed in the match?

this one is looking mighty good.

Model 93R17-BTVS

http://www.chuckhawks.com/savage_93R17.htm

answer is probably no, but this will hold 1 moa at 100yards and has better ballistics than a .22lr

rksimple
04-02-2008, 9:28 PM
I doubt 17hmr's are allowed. They will whip a 22lr.

PistolPete75
04-02-2008, 9:42 PM
on paper yes. but it's like saying a .260 or a .243 shouldn't be allowed in the regular match.

i don't really care, but rules should be set up soon so people are clear down the road.

people with the best rifle or caliber do not always win.

PistolPete75
04-02-2008, 9:44 PM
that savage Model 93R17-BTVS should be a performer though! don't you think?

wildcard
04-02-2008, 9:48 PM
on paper yes. but it's like saying a .260 or a .243 shouldn't be allowed in the regular match.

i don't really care, but rules should be set up soon so people are clear down the road.

people with the best rifle or caliber do not always win.

Thought about it too.. but it's a "22LR Match." Now if they called it a "Rimfire Match" then the options open up.

Teletiger7
04-02-2008, 9:50 PM
Just a quick question. Are you only gonna let people use bolt-actions? I understand why you want to use bolt gun. What about accurized 10/22? I know they aren't inherently as accurate but will you allow someone to try shooting the match with one? jUST FOR FUN?

PistolPete75
04-02-2008, 9:54 PM
Timber's rules are not set in stone yet. I'm still waiting for details b4 I buy my rifle.

Most likely, a 10/22 will be good to go.

Jason,

You know timber though. He sometimes changes the rules on you. Mayby it might turn into an open class rimfire down the road.

He allows .243 and .260, but he doesn't allow bunny ears. Go figure.

Timberwolf
04-03-2008, 12:26 AM
A 10/22 will be good to go as ties will be handled via one on one shootoffs for smallest group. That said I would prefer to see this turn into a small bore version of our prec/tact rifle matches but I'll allow semi autos.

Timberwolf
04-03-2008, 12:27 AM
Just exploring my options. Are 17hmr rifles allowed in the match?



No 22LR only

sloguy
04-03-2008, 12:57 AM
http://take-5rimfire.com/
http://take-5rimfire.com/Take-5-World-home-r1.htm

we have this up here in slo county. i shot in the steel match last sunday. did better than i had expected. ive entered the big match.

what i like about this is that anyone can shoot with pretty much any 22lr, it doesnt have to be very accurate.

wildcard
04-03-2008, 10:43 AM
A 10/22 will be good to go as ties will be handled via one on one shootoffs for smallest group. That said I would prefer to see this turn into a small bore version of our prec/tact rifle matches but I'll allow semi autos.

Just to confirm.. Aren't semi-autos also allowed at the regular monthly matches?

PistolPete75
04-03-2008, 10:57 AM
they used to be, but i don't think they are allowed anymore.

PistolPete75
04-03-2008, 10:58 AM
this .22lr match will actually be an extra expenditure for me along with the regular matches. i might go idpa instead cause i have all the gear already which means no start up costs.

wildcard
04-03-2008, 11:01 AM
they used to be, but i don't think they are allowed anymore.

It's because you kicked too much butt with your AR that one time :)

PistolPete75
04-03-2008, 11:03 AM
i was just used to shooting my ar15. i had no idea of ballistics at that time.

wildcard
04-03-2008, 11:19 AM
Always wanted to compete in handguns.. but i'm too damn lazy to chase down pistol brass when I practice. Now if they had a class for 22LR handguns.. i'm there! Or maybe I can use my 8.75" 44 Mag in a shoulder harness.. but i'd be laughed off the field.

PistolPete75
04-03-2008, 11:23 AM
the typical pistols used are glocks or 1911s. would be good trainning for your new career in LE. if your not in swat, you would need pistol trainning for real life scenarios. hit me a pm for more info. i pmed this guy name Randy that is well known in 3gun and idpa.

mix things up. keeps things interesting.

wildcard
04-03-2008, 11:39 AM
Actually just started playing with handguns again this weekend. Shooting respectable groups up to 25yds and hitting targets at 100 yds is easy (200 yds isn't bad either), but yes, it would be fun to run and gun.

My GLOCK 35 would be my most logical competition gun especially since I have a holster and mags for it. I just need to get reloading components to reload for it.

I'm down.. let's do it.

Oh yeah.. I'm free this Sunday. Do you and your BILs want to go do some skeet?

PistolPete75
04-03-2008, 11:47 AM
i'll talk to them, and see if they are willing to go.

ar15barrels
04-03-2008, 9:13 PM
if they had a class for 22LR handguns..

There's a rimfire class in Steel Challenge.
I usually shoot both rimfire and centerfire at the same match.
I shoot the rimfire first to warm-up, then the centerfire.

WEGC's 3gun matches are adding a rimfire class as well.
Rimfire pistol and rifle and a regular shotgun.

You guys need to come out and have some different types of match experiences. ;)

Rhys898
04-17-2008, 8:37 PM
Well, I guess I'm out, I had read a thread a wile back that mentioned rimfire so while I was out and about today I got ambushed by a big 5 salesman that put a gun to my head and made me by the 93r17-GV for 219.99 plus tax and dros. I wouldn't have bought it except it was regularly 259.99 but he discounted it because it was the display and the stock had some minor dings.

Jer

PS if anyone knows a good scope for this gun for $150 and under let me know.