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Patriot
03-13-2008, 1:16 PM
(1) What type of worthwhile upgrades could you do with a RAA Saiga 7.62x39 WHILE keeping it featureless? Trigger, stock, etc. (besides sights). :confused: Of said upgrades, which - if any - would you recommend?

(2) How could I make Saiga-like 22lr trainer? Take a WASR-22 and add a sporting stock?

Thanks

railroader
03-13-2008, 4:32 PM
Maybe go with some new trigger parts for a better pull. You can get them here: http://www.dinzagarms.com/misc_parts/fcgnpg.html Mark

Patriot
03-13-2008, 5:01 PM
Maybe go with some new trigger parts for a better pull. You can get them here: http://www.dinzagarms.com/misc_parts/fcgnpg.html Mark

Thanks. That's exactly the sort of thing I was looking for. :D

simonov
03-13-2008, 5:57 PM
Thanks. That's exactly the sort of thing I was looking for. :D

Seconded. That trigger kit really makes a big difference. I'd strongly recommend it to anyone getting a Saiga.

. . . and that's about it. I swapped the Rooskie front sling swivel stud for an Uncle Mike's machine stud (with a nut in the forend) so I could attach a Harris bipod, but that's probably all I'll want to do to it. Well, maybe some Mojo sights would be nice.

http://www.guntards.net/images/58.jpg

I have no use for all the fancy conversion gymnastics to make a Saiga more like an AK. If I wanted an AK I'd buy one. I prefer the Saiga forend anyway.

When I get my .308 Saiga, after the trigger kit (which is apparently a little more troublesome to install with the .308) I'll mount a PSO scope.

railroader
03-13-2008, 6:03 PM
Here's some target front sight posts. I ordered a couple for my sks's and they are quite a bit thinner than the stock front sight. Shipping is only $1.50 too.http://www.tech-sights.com/access.htm Mark

Outlaw
03-13-2008, 10:14 PM
simonov,
Nice setup. What kind of groups do you get?

simonov
03-14-2008, 6:11 AM
simonov,
Nice setup. What kind of groups do you get?

Thank you.

I don't know how it groups. I rarely shoot paper with open-sight rifles as I can't see the targets well enough at 100 yards or more. Generally I shoot at plastic water bottles in the desert, usually at 150 yards, and prone on the bipod this Saiga takes them out reliably, which means the rifle is accurate enough. From a sitting position, or standing off-hand, not so well, which means I'm the problem.

Oddly, I can shoot much better with my M1 sitting or off-hand, but I believe that is because the M1's sights and trigger are superior. The rifle may be more accurate, but that shouldn't matter when shooting off-hand, as the shooter is the weak variable.

As I have mentioned, I plan to buy a .308 Saiga and fit it with a PSO scope. I'll use that to shoot paper and see what kind of groups I can get.

vandal
03-14-2008, 7:58 AM
DinzagArms:
* bullet guide
* US gas piston (922R compliance)
* G2 FCG (922R compliance x 2)
* bolt-on AK handguard retainer

K-Var:
* heat-shielded handguard (922R compliance)

Other:
* factory stock cut down 2"
* Ultimak rail
* Aimpoint Micro
* Viking tactics flashlight mount
* Surefire G2
* Blueforcegear Vickers M16 stock adapter
* Vickers combat applications sling
* Mash hook
* Pre-ban AK 20 & 30 round magazines


http://contentproviders.com/dwimages/saiga_v5.jpg

Outlaw
03-14-2008, 8:22 AM
"Generally I shoot at plastic water bottles in the desert, usually at 150 yards, and prone on the bipod this Saiga takes them out reliably"
Sounds like it's accurate enuff.

MrTuffPaws
03-14-2008, 8:57 AM
....cough cough....922r!.....cough......

simonov
03-14-2008, 9:09 AM
....cough cough....922r!.....cough......

Patriot is referring specifically to featureless modifications.

MrTuffPaws
03-14-2008, 9:34 AM
Patriot is referring specifically to featureless modifications.

It could be argued that any swap of parts is in violation of 922r. It could also be argued that since the stock is still a "sporter type" that the gun is still for sporting purposes. It can also be argued that using a 20 or 30 round mag is on a Saiga is also in violation of 922r. Yet to be proven in court, but CYA is always a good methodology.

simonov
03-14-2008, 9:50 AM
It could be argued that any swap of parts is in violation of 922r.

You'd be the first to try, that I am aware of.

To trigger 922(r) you have to either assemble a non-importable configuration, or configure the rifle in an obviously "non-sporting" configuration. While the latter is vague, the former is not. And as for the latter, you always have the "reasonable person" test. Would a "reasonable person" consider that replacing the sandpaper factory trigger with a more sensitive one is "non-sporting?" No. Would a "reasonable person" consider that replacing the sights, or installing a scope, is "non-sporting?" No again.

Would a "reasonable person" consider that replacing the stock with a Druganov stock is "non-sporting?" Well, there you have a gray area. Call up Tapco and order some compliance parts.

It can also be argued that using a 20 or 30 round mag is on a Saiga is also in violation of 922r.

Depends on how it is imported. If they are imported with 20- or 30-round magazines, then it's no violation. If the BATFE specifically disallows the importation of Saigas with 20- or 30-round magazines, it's a no-brainer.

SR-60
03-14-2008, 11:03 AM
What kind of factory ammo would you guys suggest for the 7.62x39 Saiga? I suspect it would have no issues with Wolf and ComBlock ammo, but what about US manufactured ammo?

I've read that US made ammo in this caliber has softer primers?

railroader
03-14-2008, 5:18 PM
I shoot both wolf and brass case reloads in my 223 saiga. Both work fine but I think I'm going to stick mainly with wolf because the rifle throws the cases so far that I have a hard time finding the brass. Mark

FlyingPen
03-14-2008, 5:21 PM
Seriously, the ejector in a Saiga is a weapon in and of itself, if you get in the way of a spent casing, you'll probably be dead 100%.

jacques
03-14-2008, 10:59 PM
Patriot is referring specifically to featureless modifications.

I bought a muzzle brake before mine came in and decided not to put it on because of the 922 issues.

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj263/jacques102/100_4099.jpg

I like it the way it is.

vandal
03-15-2008, 8:46 PM
UP PERISCOPE! :eek:

TopGun2000
03-17-2008, 3:57 PM
Would a "reasonable person" consider that replacing the stock with a Druganov stock is "non-sporting?" Well, there you have a gray area. Call up Tapco and order some compliance parts.



Isn't Romak-3 or PSL imported in such configuration? So I guess a Dragunov stock won't affect its sporting status?

Armscor AK-47 and GSG-5 are all imported w/ pistol grip configuration, not mention that WALTHER G 22 is in BULLPUP. So I guess 22lr rimfires are exempt from those "sporting" BS? :D

So if I build an AK w/ a filled in Dragunov stock w/o considering 922r in CA I should be okay... :eek:

railroader
03-17-2008, 4:57 PM
Here's a couple of pics of my 223. It is stock except for the paint job, the millet red dot and the buttpad has been dipped in rubber. The bi pod is for the pic:
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7832/saiga003ws2.jpg

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/2111/saiga001dl3.jpg

Mark

69Mach1
03-17-2008, 5:07 PM
Here's a couple of pics of my 223. It is stock except for the paint job, the millet red dot and the buttpad has been dipped in rubber. The bi pod is for the pic:
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7832/saiga003ws2.jpg

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/2111/saiga001dl3.jpg

Mark

Very nice bud. What kind of paint? Do it yourself?
Remember that group buy a year ago? We were the first weren't we?

Here's my SVD tribute.
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j258/FIVESIXTN/hkSONY1265-2.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j258/FIVESIXTN/hkSONY1267.jpg

Patriot
03-17-2008, 6:36 PM
Here's my SVD tribute.

You have entirely too many cool AK style rifles :D

railroader
03-17-2008, 6:42 PM
69Mach1, yeah that's my group buy rifle. The paint is krylon flat camo paint that is made for plastic. I then sprayed a satin clear over it so it could be wiped clean. This is an extra stock set I got off the saiga forum, I still have the original black set. Your rifle looks great. Too bad you had to fill in the thumbhole but you did a nice job. Mark

mxbundy
03-17-2008, 6:43 PM
I bought a muzzle brake before mine came in and decided not to put it on because of the 922 issues.

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj263/jacques102/100_4099.jpg

I like it the way it is.


What kind of bi-pod is this?
What does attaching it to the barrel do to the accuracy?

Thanks
Bundy

jacques
03-17-2008, 7:44 PM
Bipod is a piece of junk. Does absolutely nothing to accuracy because I don't shoot with it. My daughter likes to use it though because here arms get tired. Now the Russian red dot, that is very nice. It is very accurate. I would post a picture of my spread at 100yds using it but my daughter has broken both my cameras.

Get a Harris bipod and adapter like the guy that posted earlier. However, I would not recommend a bipod on this anyway. It's no sniper rifle.

69Mach1
03-18-2008, 9:02 AM
You have entirely too many cool AK style rifles :D

Thanks. AK's are addictive. Cheap $$ AK's are highly addictive.:D