View Full Version : who knows about WWII Russian rifles?

03-12-2008, 9:24 PM
Hi, all -

I was at the home of a relative the other day, who was telling me about a supposed WWII-vintage Russian rifle he owns (and keeps at his other house). He didn't know what caliber it was, but pulled out a cartridge that he swears the gun will shoot, and handed it to me. My first reaction was, "gee that looks familiar," and when I examined the headstamp, it read...30-06!

I freely admit I know nothing about WWII weaponry, especially the commie stuff, but...did they really shoot .30-06, or is he coming at me off the wall?

Thanks for any clarification...

03-12-2008, 9:33 PM
You have a pic?

03-12-2008, 9:35 PM
You have a pic?
I didn't get to see the gun, just the cartridge he handed me, which was a basic American .30-06.

I guess what I'm asking is whether ANY Russian rifles from WWII shot .30-06.

EBR Works
03-12-2008, 9:55 PM
It is possible he is confusing .30-06 with 7.62x54r which has some similarity. Many Russian rifles were chambered in this caliber - M91, M91/30, M38, M44, M91/59, M91/38, SVT-38, SVT-40, Dragunov, PK machine gun and others.

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03-12-2008, 9:57 PM
I'm doubtful. Maybe the Russians acquired a small number of U.S. weapons before the war? Perhaps some '03 Springfields and/or 1917 U.S. Enfields. I know the U.S. and the Allies actively supported the Whites during the civil war in 1918.

This is assuming your friend isn't confused.

03-12-2008, 10:03 PM
Question for those who kep track of these things:

I'd assume US made rifles and carbines arrived in the USSR during WWII along with US made tanks, aircraft, trucks, artillery, and so on.

Did any of these make it BACK to the US as surplus after the war?

I've never heard of this, and would wonder if any US made weapons came back as souvenirs...


03-13-2008, 5:35 AM
I know that Thompson SMGs were sent to USSR during WWII with american tanks. They were not issued to troops because of lack of .45 ammo and were stored in warehouses. Now some of those guns are comming back from Russia in kit form. About 30-06 chambered guns, I can't say. Most widely used rifle cartridge was 7.62X54R, and 7.62 Tokarev wor SMGs and side arms.

03-13-2008, 6:21 AM
Short answer: No "common" Russian WW2 rifle shot a 30.06

Like another poster said mayb ehe is confusing it with a 54R or mayne the rifle isn't russian? I hope he's not trying to shoot 30.06 out of a mosin or something...

03-13-2008, 6:38 AM
there is an american made mosin nagant tho, but thst fires 762x54r. i think your buddy is confused. or he has a mosin nagant that someone rechambered for 30-06?

03-13-2008, 6:49 AM
Unless your buddy has a Bannerman converted Mosin he is blowing smoke, or doesn't know what he's doing. If it is a Bannerman, It may be unsafe to fire the 06 in it as some consider the bannerman conversion of Mosins unsafe


Two Shots
03-13-2008, 7:37 AM
One possibility is that it was a WW1 rifle that was bought from the U.S Russia also bought some rifles from Japan in 6.5jap.

During WWI contracts were issued to the American firms of New England Westinghouse and Remington for 1.8 and 1.5 million M91s respectively. Remington also supplied ammunition, as did Winchester, at this time. These contracts were not fulfilled due to the Russian revolution and many of the rifles were sold on the US civilian market and to the US government for training purposes. M91s were widely used in WWI and can be found with markings from many different European countries that purchased or captured them. Several unusual variations are also known. These include 8mm conversions from Poland and different bayonet and sling mounting systems. Post war conversions to .30-‘06 of NEW and Remington rifles were done in the US, but are considered unsafe by today’s standards.
If you get a chance you should check the rifle out.