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mecam
03-12-2008, 10:43 AM
And no I'm not looking to buy one, just curious. :)

Hopi
03-12-2008, 10:45 AM
Norinco produces/produced an AR-15 clone

Mssr. Eleganté
03-12-2008, 11:49 AM
It's the Norinco M311. You could probably get one from Marstar if you lived in Canada, but Chinese munitions (excluding sporting shotguns and black powder guns) are banned from importation into the U.S.

Jicko
03-12-2008, 11:52 AM
And no I'm not looking to buy one, just curious. :)

Tokyo Maui, Classic Army, etc....

mecam
03-12-2008, 11:54 AM
Tokyo Maui, Classic Army, etc....

LOL, I got a CA M4. :D

simonov
03-12-2008, 12:06 PM
It's the Norinco M311. You could probably get one from Marstar if you lived in Canada, but Chinese munitions (excluding sporting shotguns and black powder guns) are banned from importation into the U.S.

That's pretty ironic considering we are happy enough allowing them to finance our wars for us.

jacques
03-12-2008, 12:51 PM
Yes. I'm not talking about airsoft. China has been making unlicensed copies of the AR15/M-16 and M-4 for decades. The same with M14's and Remington 870's.

They copy EVERYTHING!!!

Full Clip
03-12-2008, 12:54 PM
And if they are unable to respect U.S. copyright and trademark laws, then none of their crap should be allowed to be imported...

bwiese
03-12-2008, 12:59 PM
Originally, they copied M14's to arm their advance troops for an invasion of Taiwan in the late 50's, early 60's. Every one manufactured at the time had the same serial number.

"8888" like the illegal Leupold clone scopes??

;)

jacques
03-12-2008, 1:09 PM
And the microchips they dump on the world market, and then there are so many, pretty soon it is hard to tell where they actually came from.

moulton
03-12-2008, 2:03 PM
what if it came with a single shot .410 guage upper? :TFH:

jacques
03-12-2008, 2:37 PM
But who wants them anyway, they would all be painted with lead base paint and when we eat the paint chips we just get stupider:p

MB260E
03-12-2008, 3:48 PM
And if they are unable to respect U.S. copyright and trademark laws, then none of their crap should be allowed to be imported...
That was a reference to guns only right? Since I don't think we could afford to live without their "crap" :43:

oaklander
03-12-2008, 4:17 PM
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as79-e.htm

jamesob
03-12-2008, 4:42 PM
norinco makes copies of sigs, colts and about everything else.

slick_711
03-12-2008, 4:47 PM
That was a reference to guns only right? Since I don't think we could afford to live without their "crap" :43:

Your economics are backwards. It is the opposite. They cannot live without us buying their crap. If they stop making trinket x for us for $0.35 we'll pay a different country to make it for $0.37. We pay a nickel more stateside and will never think twice, they lose industry and income all together...

Do you really think theres anything being produced in China for pennies on the American dollar that couldn't be produced just as easily or cheaply in Guatemala, Taiwan, Vietnam, India, or wtf else ever that I would have to look at a map to know the name of? It's the fact that everyone thinks we're so reliant on China that causes us to be so.

mymonkeyman
03-12-2008, 5:23 PM
And if they are unable to respect U.S. copyright and trademark laws, then none of their crap should be allowed to be imported...

Umm, you can't copyright a gun. Copyright is for expressive works like books, paintings, movies, etc. Also, AR-15 is probably unprotected under trademark as generic. It's also not a trademark unless they put AR-15 on the gun or advertise it as an AR-15. I doubt the AR's design would be protectable under copyright (not expressive, as opposed to say a shotgun with floral or plant engravings on it), or trademark (the trade dress is funcitonal, and does not identify origin). Lastly, patent protection probably isn't available because the gun was in production in the late 1950s and patnets only last about 20 years. Generally the only thing you have to worry about wrt guns are patents and then you only have to wait about 20 years.

motorhead
03-12-2008, 6:02 PM
i agree we support china. the euros too, but to a lesser extent. they can't do without us. it's not like they're selling their stuff at home. the average chinese can't afford to own his own insects.