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ICONIC
03-16-2014, 12:38 PM
I have been carrying a Mantis Karambit for my EDC.

http://www.mantisknives.com/images/Products/_0031_MK3_Cinq3.jpg


I live and work in LA city so the smaller blade of the knife passes the carry laws.
THe issue I am worried about is if the finger hole could be considered a brass knuckle, I looked up the PC and found nothing about the Karambit mentioned, but the brass knuckle is mentioned.

Any help would be greatly appreciated

RobertMW
03-18-2014, 2:45 PM
The PC reads that it needs to have the purpose of protecting the hand, or for better striking. Personally, I feel that since it is just your pinky that would be covered, I don't think it could really do either.

On another note, I hope that thing has one hell of a lock, because if you trid to stab instead of slash, and the lock disengages, it looks like it would take a hell of a bite out of your fingers.

CSACANNONEER
03-18-2014, 2:51 PM
I've always wondered what this curved design is good for? Is it just the tactifool crowd needing to have crap that they think looks cool? Or, am I missing something?

wamphyri13
03-18-2014, 2:56 PM
It should be a solid knife and not a folder. The karambit is a Indian design, I believe, but I could be wrong. It's not a new style. Shouldn't be a folder, though.
Ryan

uxo2
03-18-2014, 3:16 PM
I've always wondered what this curved design is good for? Is it just the tactifool crowd needing to have crap that they think looks cool? Or, am I missing something?


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Is it just the tactifool crowd needing to have crap that they think looks cool

It all depends IF they know how to use it.

NYT
03-18-2014, 3:21 PM
the hole is used for attaching a clip or other tethering system....

readysetgo
03-19-2014, 7:48 AM
Rough crowd?

First, let's look at the Penal Code, that so far, no one has cited or linked to, shall we?

PENAL CODE - PEN
PART 6. CONTROL OF DEADLY WEAPONS [16000 - 34370]
TITLE 3. WEAPONS AND DEVICES OTHER THAN FIREARMS [19910 - 23025]
DIVISION 6. KNUCKLES [21710 - 21890]
CHAPTER 1. Composite Knuckles or Hard Wooden Knuckles [21710- 21710.]
CHAPTER 2. Metal Knuckles [21810 - 21890]

Looks like OP is mostly concerned w/ Ch. 2 Metal Knuckles.

21810. Except as provided in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 17700) of Division 2 of Title 2, any person in this state who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, or possesses any metal knuckles is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170.
(Amended by Stats. 2012, Ch. 43, Sec. 95. Effective June 27, 2012.)

21890. Except as provided in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 17700) of Division 2 of Title 2, metal knuckles are a nuisance and are subject to Section 18010.

...basically, it's bad and scary, don't have 'em, don't sell 'em, don't stick 'em in your orifices. Right?

We need a definition, I think. We can find that too.

PENAL CODE - PEN
PART 6. CONTROL OF DEADLY WEAPONS [16000 - 34370]
TITLE 1. PRELIMINARY PROVISIONS [16000 - 17360]
DIVISION 2. DEFINITIONS [16100 - 17360]

16920.
As used in this part, “metal knuckles” means any device or instrument made wholly or partially of metal that is worn for purposes of offense or defense in or on the hand and that either protects the wearer’s hand while striking a blow or increases the force of impact from the blow or injury to the individual receiving the blow. The metal contained in the device may help support the hand or fist, provide a shield to protect it, or consist of projections or studs which would contact the individual receiving a blow.

OK? Here's my own opinion. Could it be used as a 'offensive or defensive weapon that protects the wearers hand or increases force'? Yes. BUT so could a horseshoe or several hundred other common items, tools etc.

I think OP's knife is NOT a 'metal knuckle' as relates to the PC. It's primary purpose is a knife, the bit on the end is secondary and to me, is mainly for retention of the weapon.

IANAL, form your own dang opinion. :p That is all... :D

Aldemar
03-19-2014, 11:12 AM
To hold a Karambit properly, the handle is obvoiusly inside your fist. Ca law specifies that brass knuckles are on the outside of your fist. I don't see an issue here.

I bought one "just for the hell of it" a few years ago and find it's useless as an EDC. I went back to my plain ordinary folder after the first time I had to use it as an actual knife. It now resides in the back of my safe somewhere.

gaberaynes
03-19-2014, 11:33 AM
It is a folding blade with one ring your good the law is for fixed blades and two ringed I have a fixed blade one ring on ccw the only issue I was advised of is the double rings and fixed blades

Ninask
03-19-2014, 11:58 AM
The karambit is a different approach to knife fighting,
and your technique is very different,
in the hands of a good practitioner it is an awesome weapon,
but don't carry a karambit for protection until you have learned how to manipulate this exotic weapon,
for all intent purposes it is a specialty weapon, a sub-category of typical knife fighting
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Eirerogue
03-19-2014, 12:32 PM
I carry a Emerson Karambit with a 3" blade as my EDC. Karambits are originally an Indonesan design and in the hands of a good practioner, it's amazingly deadly. I can open and deploy my opened folder as fast as an auto, it's blade size is legal (now that I live in NV, it's NTE 3"). No issue with the round hole on the grip. It greatly assists in drawing the knife and placing it into your hand in a natural position.

bug_eyedmonster
03-24-2014, 3:35 PM
I carry a Emerson Karambit with a 3" blade as my EDC. Karambits are originally an Indonesan design and in the hands of a good practioner, it's amazingly deadly. I can open and deploy my opened folder as fast as an auto, it's blade size is legal (now that I live in NV, it's NTE 3"). No issue with the round hole on the grip. It greatly assists in drawing the knife and placing it into your hand in a natural position.



I carry an Emerson Super Karambit when I feel that I'm going to an area where I'm in need of actual protection or carry it weak side to aid in weapon retention when carrying a pistol exposed. I have trained with one along with other knives, and it's one of the most efficient knives I can be with (compared to regular knives). Legally, if I ever need to pull the karambit for defense, the last thing I'm worried about it being held accountable for a type of brass knuckles, the other end is much more dangerous.


Jerry

laabstract
03-24-2014, 7:52 PM
Seems a little gimmicky I prefer this guy.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31QYvRTz+GL._SS400_.jpg

blazeaglory
03-27-2014, 7:27 AM
Karambits are awesome blades when used properly. They are shaped like eagles claws...And we all know that eagles claws are soooo useless right?

Spaceghost
04-23-2014, 11:39 AM
This has been discussed before, not worth the risk.

GuyFawkes
04-25-2016, 9:04 PM
It is a folding blade with one ring your good the law is for fixed blades and two ringed I have a fixed blade one ring on ccw the only issue I was advised of is the double rings and fixed blades

You added a fixed blade to your CCW license? I didn't know you could do that. Which county?