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fireluvrandrew@gmail.com
03-09-2008, 10:30 PM
Hey everyone, this is my first post here, love the forums already, I decided I like guns, I live in california, so I better come over and start posting. Anyways, I am in need of a rifle, a 308 is what I want. My brother has a Springfield arms socom 16, and it is awesome, my idea of a perfect gun!!! I love the big boom! Anywho, I dont have quite enough money to fund a socom, but I really want a nice 308 thats semi auto, ca legal, accurate, and reliable.
If you guys could toss some suggestions I would appreciate it!!!
Thanks

ps, im looking for pre manufactured guns, no custom build jobs, or assembly for me :( im sort of a newb, and dont want to dive into that yet


EDIT: if there is something else thats not in the pole that you would like to suggest post it please!!!


OK, I have also decided another option, why not bolt action? i can get a nice remington 700 in a huge impressive round, its accurate, crowd pleaser, and is great on saving ammo, because you MUST shoot slow... thoughts, comments, suggestions, prices, pls!! thx

CavTrooper
03-09-2008, 10:32 PM
Save your pennies for an M1A or look into Saigas.

fireluvrandrew@gmail.com
03-09-2008, 10:35 PM
i was thinking of a siaga actually, what is the general consensus around here about them? also, I could do without the rifle being a 308 if there is a super duper 223 that you guys know of for under 1000 that would just be an excellent trade-off

CavTrooper
03-09-2008, 10:38 PM
Mini 14 or Mini 30. Not the most accurate but its built (sorta) like an M1A and will last for a long, long time. Lots of acesories made for them and if you ever move outta state theres 30 round mags avalible!

fireluvrandrew@gmail.com
03-09-2008, 10:40 PM
true that, sorry should have mentioned already own a mini 14 , i like it, but i know my brothers socom is going to always be more accurate, ive heard the mini 30 isnt anything to brag about when it comes to accuracy

Bucc
03-09-2008, 10:52 PM
There is a thread here about use of .308 bullets in the mini 30 to improve accuracy as opposed to the standard .311 bullets of com bloc issue.

On Saiga .308s.
I don't have one but it's on the(very) short list now that I have found I like my X39 so much.

rksimple
03-09-2008, 10:54 PM
The saiga should give you *about* the accuracy of the socom. The sights are not as good and that may make it more difficult for you to shoot it as well.

aplinker
03-09-2008, 10:55 PM
Mini's cost too much, shoot too pitifully and are just plain dull - except when you bean your neighbors with brass.

There is a foolproof gunsmithing recipe you can use to improve the Mini's accuracy dramatically:
1.) remove barrel and cut down to 16"
2.) recrown
3.) tell everyone it's now much more accurate, sell it
4.) buy an AR

:D

In all seriousness, the a stock M1A might outshoot the Saiga by a small measure in terms of ultimate accuracy, but not by much. If you were shooting them both with irons the M1A would have a distinct advantage.

At ~$420 OTD for the 308 Saiga, IMHO, you can't really go wrong.

fireluvrandrew@gmail.com
03-09-2008, 11:02 PM
the only thing with the siaga is the mag capacity, i know you can get the 10 round mags, but i think u have to modify yourself. also what do you mean about the sights? is there a fix?

Wyseguy
03-09-2008, 11:03 PM
Build yourself a FAL.

fireluvrandrew@gmail.com
03-09-2008, 11:04 PM
Build yourself a FAL.

no builds sorry

aplinker
03-09-2008, 11:52 PM
FALs are fantastic rifles, but the builds are not anywhere as easy as an AR.

You can buy a built FAL for about $800

Jicko
03-09-2008, 11:59 PM
Just get an AR. Super accurate, and... can be cheap....

aplinker
03-10-2008, 12:54 AM
A 308AR isn't cheap. A receiver alone runs about $350+++

Just get an AR. Super accurate, and... can be cheap....

Quiet
03-10-2008, 1:28 AM
Get the Saiga-308. It's about a third of the cost of a Springfield M-1A.

Factory magazine capacity is 8 rounds.
There is a mod to make them 10 rounds.
If you move to a free state, there are 20 and 25 round magazines available.

If your budget is around $1000, buy the Saiga for $400ish, buy a good scope and spend the rest on ammo (.308 ammo is not cheap).


:Pirate:

Jicko
03-10-2008, 9:52 AM
A 308AR isn't cheap. A receiver alone runs about $350+++

I'm talking about a AR15, in .223/5.56

I could do without the rifle being a 308 if there is a super duper 223 that you guys know of for under 1000 that would just be an excellent trade-off

aplinker
03-10-2008, 10:43 AM
I'm talking about a AR15, in .223/5.56

I didn't see his line that said that.

Ammunition prices are off the charts for both. 308, at best, is $0.45/rd and .223, at best, is $0.30. If he absolutely loves the .308, then shoot 308.

An AR is so much fun, reasonably priced, fully customizable, etc...

Like you, I think it's probably the best choice for 1st "step-up" rifle from a 10/22.

TopGun2000
03-10-2008, 11:58 AM
the only thing with the siaga is the mag capacity, i know you can get the 10 round mags, but i think u have to modify yourself. also what do you mean about the sights? is there a fix?

not a problem anymore

from 10 rounder to 25 rounder
http://www.saigastock.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=24&sort=20a&page=3

USN CHIEF
03-10-2008, 12:02 PM
A fellow Calgunner is selling a loaded SA loaded for 1300...
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=90599

Gunsrruss
03-10-2008, 12:08 PM
You can do a AR-15 for less than a Thousand and out shoot those Saigas all over the place:rolleyes: Why drive a Vega when you can have a Cadillac;) Meaning no disrespect to you who are still driving them:D

Fobjoe
03-10-2008, 12:13 PM
I have a Saiga 308 16" and love it. Eats anything you feed it. Probably the only .308 rifle that people will constantly feed steel case. It groups surprisingly well for an AK platform: Easy 3 MOA with iron sights from a sub-par shooter such as myself. In my opinion, if you want much greater accuracy, just get a good bolt gun. For the cost of ammo anyway, you aren't gonna want to send many match grade .308 rounds downrange in a short period of time. From what it sounds like, you are mainly interested in the "boom" than the groupings. A 16" Saiga 308 sounds good for that and save you a bit of cash to blow on cheap ammo.

fireluvrandrew@gmail.com
03-10-2008, 1:58 PM
well, should i go ahead and get the siaga then?

Quiet
03-10-2008, 2:09 PM
Get the Saiga. ;)


If you just want a loud boom stick that shoots out a massive fireball using cheap ammo, get a Mosin-Nagant M44 Carbine and lots of mil-surplus 7.62x54R ammo. :43:

TopGun2000
03-10-2008, 2:33 PM
Get the Saiga. ;)


If you just want a loud boom stick that shoots out a massive fireball using cheap ammo, get a Mosin-Nagant M44 Carbine and lots of mil-surplus 7.62x54R ammo. :43:

I wish there were Saiga in 7.62x54R :D

olegk
03-10-2008, 4:03 PM
My Vepr in 308 gives similar performace copmare with AR-10.
Oh... yes Vepr is more relaible

USN CHIEF
03-10-2008, 4:06 PM
Go for SA, you cannot go wrong..

Prc329
03-10-2008, 4:07 PM
Screw your poll. Get an M1A/M14 and grin ear to ear.

AS45-70
03-10-2008, 4:10 PM
Save your pennies for an M1A or look into Saigas.

+1 i just saved and got the M1A when i was in your boat.

Gunsrruss
03-10-2008, 7:56 PM
You will buy the Saiga because it's half the money. You will buy the Saiga because it will give you a 10" group at 300yards:cool2: You will never be able to shoot well with a Saiga:( It's just a blaster, nothing more. If you were to save your money and buy just a standard M1A, you would be so far ahead of the Saiga shooters;) You would be 1 MOA at 300 with a three inch group ( eventually ) Plus You would have a classy Gun. A shooter for sure. You can shoot out to a 1,000 yards and hit something on the first shot. Be somebody buy a real gun ( M1A ):cool:

Digital_Hate
03-10-2008, 8:06 PM
not a problem anymore

from 10 rounder to 25 rounder
http://www.saigastock.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=24&sort=20a&page=3

but them you will have to play the 922 game and then the saiga in no longer a great value

Bucc
03-10-2008, 8:16 PM
but them you will have to play the 922 game and then the saiga in no longer a great value

Perspective.
If you like to tinker(OP says no building) it's still a good deal.
I like to tinker so it works for me.
I'm seeing things here and there that the accuracy of the .308 isn't that bad either.
If you have no pre 2000 hi cap mags and are not leaving California fairly soon the magazine thing seems moot as well.
Yeah.
The Saiga is a blaster.
The M1A is a better rifle.
They're all good in their own way.
I'll take both.....soon as I have the extra cash for the Saiga.

tombinghamthegreat
03-10-2008, 9:36 PM
The M1A or the Saiga would be the way to go.

Czechsix
03-10-2008, 9:44 PM
FAL. And I'm not voting because it's not listed :D

Bizcuits
03-10-2008, 9:58 PM
I voted Mini-30

HOWEVER

I'd say go with a Mini-14

They aren't costly. Get a nice one for 500-600

They are simple, reliable, effective. They lack in accuracy compared to an AR, but at 100 yards, you'll do just fine.

If you liked the design, feel of the M1A. You'll likely be happy with the Mini 14/30.

I'd say go with a Mini-14 over a Mini-30, due to the magazines being more common. As well as my personal opinion of the .223 being a better starter round. For the sake of arguement, I won't go there.


I've heard KelTec's have a problem with specific brands of ammo. Have a friend who can't get wolf to feed properly in his SU-16. I can use anything in my Mini.

Sure you'll hear the side busting comments from people about Mini-14/30s. Unless they've owned one, I wouldn't listen to em. In the end the Mini-14/30 is a reliable, accurate and durable battle rifle.

zcktomcat
03-10-2008, 10:14 PM
saiga would be the most economical choice. I love my kel-tec, it's inexpensive, uses AR mags so those are easy to get your hands on, and its incredibly light weight. Mini 30 I don't have much experience, but I'd get a saiga in 7.62x39 before I got the mini 30. AR's are fun, but unless you plan on piecing it together slowly it's hard to build one to even near as cheap as a SU-16 or a saiga. Also, I may be wrong but the mini-14 is rated for 223 remington which means no military surp ammo, as opposed to my SU-16 which I've fired plenty of 5.56 NATO through it and it eats them up fine.

Technowizard
03-10-2008, 11:04 PM
I'll throw in my 2 cents just cause no one has mentioned it yet. How about a PTR-91? There a little high end... $1000 - $1200, but are pretty nice rifles. They now have bullet buttons for them too, so yes they ARE Kali-legal Off List rifles.

Not too much experience with other .308's like the M1A... which may be more accurate, however, my KFM4 is jaw dropper! Sorry... even for being stock its just that damn sexy!!! :drool5:

(stock photo of the KFM4)
http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/094241000/94241163/pix1647702656.jpg

Technowizard.

AKman
03-10-2008, 11:31 PM
I'm really happy with several AR-10 variants I've put together. I like them better than my M1A, but not by much. Out of the box or off the bench, my M1A and POF/Fulton build were flawless. I had a couple of other builds that were a bit more work, but work great once the bugs were worked out.

Maybe I'm a little confused, but a lot of suggestions here were not .308s, but the 7.62x51 NATO's wimpy little brother, the 7.62x39. Check the ballistics, but I think you want to go with a real .308 or 7.62x51.

aplinker
03-10-2008, 11:37 PM
but them you will have to play the 922 game and then the saiga in no longer a great value

:confused: What about changing the magazine makes you have to play the 922(r) game?

ar15barrels
03-10-2008, 11:44 PM
I am in need of a rifle, a 308 is what I want. My brother has a Springfield arms socom 16, and it is awesome, my idea of a perfect gun!!! I love the big boom! Anywho, I dont have quite enough money to fund a socom, but I really want a nice 308 thats semi auto, ca legal, accurate, and reliable.

which rifle would be best for my purposes?

You don't state your purposes beyond it making a big boom. :confused:
What you want and how you expect to use it are entirely different things.
Any of the guns listed will make a big boom, but I would suggest a 12gauge shotgun for maximum effect.

Gator Monroe
03-10-2008, 11:47 PM
I'll throw in my 2 cents just cause no one has mentioned it yet. How about a PTR-91? There a little high end... $1000 - $1200, but are pretty nice rifles. They now have bullet buttons for them too, so yes they ARE Kali-legal Off List rifles.

Not too much experience with other .308's like the M1A... which may be more accurate, however, my KFM4 is jaw dropper! Sorry... even for being stock its just that damn sexy!!! :drool5:

(stock photo of the KFM4)
http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/094241000/94241163/pix1647702656.jpg

Technowizard.

Cetme is same as PTR -91 ?????????????????????:rolleyes:

ar15barrels
03-10-2008, 11:49 PM
You will buy the Saiga because it's half the money. You will buy the Saiga because it will give you a 10" group at 300yards:cool2: You will never be able to shoot well with a Saiga:( It's just a blaster, nothing more. If you were to save your money and buy just a standard M1A, you would be so far ahead of the Saiga shooters;) You would be 1 MOA at 300 with a three inch group ( eventually ) Plus You would have a classy Gun. A shooter for sure. You can shoot out to a 1,000 yards and hit something on the first shot. Be somebody buy a real gun ( M1A ):cool:

His stated purpose is to make a big boom. ;)
Saiga it is.

fireluvrandrew@gmail.com
03-10-2008, 11:51 PM
I voted Mini-30

HOWEVER

I'd say go with a Mini-14

They aren't costly. Get a nice one for 500-600

They are simple, reliable, effective. They lack in accuracy compared to an AR, but at 100 yards, you'll do just fine.

If you liked the design, feel of the M1A. You'll likely be happy with the Mini 14/30.

I'd say go with a Mini-14 over a Mini-30, due to the magazines being more common. As well as my personal opinion of the .223 being a better starter round. For the sake of arguement, I won't go there.


I've heard KelTec's have a problem with specific brands of ammo. Have a friend who can't get wolf to feed properly in his SU-16. I can use anything in my Mini.

Sure you'll hear the side busting comments from people about Mini-14/30s. Unless they've owned one, I wouldn't listen to em. In the end the Mini-14/30 is a reliable, accurate and durable battle rifle.


read WAAAAAAY above, already own a mini-14 but thanks!

ar15barrels
03-10-2008, 11:51 PM
Cetme is same as PTR -91 ?????????????????????:rolleyes:

No, the markings on the side are different.
I think Cetme's are banned by name and PTR-91's are "off list".

fireluvrandrew@gmail.com
03-10-2008, 11:59 PM
wow guys, thanks for all the responses, the purpose of the gun is yes that impressive boom, but also i need to to be accurate, nothing match grade or anything, reliable, and durable, nothing finicky, or huge amounts of maintenance needed.

Bucc
03-11-2008, 12:05 AM
I voted Mini-30
In the end the Mini-14/30 is a reliable, accurate and durable battle rifle.

Reliable.
Yes.
Accurate.
Acceptable.
Battle rifle.
No.

aplinker
03-11-2008, 12:08 AM
wow guys, thanks for all the responses, the purpose of the gun is yes that impressive boom, but also i need to to be accurate, nothing match grade or anything, reliable, and durable, nothing finicky, or huge amounts of maintenance needed.

I'd say, if you can put up with a BB or MMG, the FAL might better serve your purposes.

~$800 (pro built, $700 if you DIY), evil, totally reliable, true battle rifle. It's even Larry Vickers approved.

fireluvrandrew@gmail.com
03-11-2008, 12:11 AM
I'd say, if you can put up with a BB or MMG, the FAL might better serve your purposes.

~$800 (pro built, $700 if you DIY), evil, totally reliable, true battle rifle. It's even Larry Vickers approved.

that would actually be perfect, however like i said i need a prefab, dont ask why, just thats what i want, if you know were i can get one then...

ar15barrels
03-11-2008, 12:13 AM
i need to to be accurate

Are you?
This is more a function of the shooter than the gun.

Some people can shoot good.
Others try to buy accuracy.

I could probably outshoot many people here with an SKS, even if they were equipped one of my match grade AR's, if we were both standing.
Bench shooting is a different deal, better guns will certainly show better accuracy.

Go with as short a barrel as possible.
It will make more noise and muzzle blast.
Short barrels are stiffer, giving you a greater chance of accuracy.
Shorter barrels also have fewer inches of rifling and screwed up rifling can degrade accuracy.

Realize that the limiting factor to accuracy is often going to be the ammo.
Accurate ammo is going to be over $1 a shot so be prepared for that if you want accuracy.
For 50 cents a round, you can make lots of noise and 3 MOA groups with any 308.
Cheap ammo in an accurate gun will not give you small groups.
Good ammo in an in-accurate gun will not give you small groups either.
You need good ammo in an accurate gun to make small groups.
This gun is probably not going to fit within your $1000 requirement though.

Get a Saiga.

fireluvrandrew@gmail.com
03-11-2008, 12:15 AM
Are you?
This is more a function of the shooter than the gun.

Some people can shoot good.
Others try to buy accuracy.

I could probably outshoot many people here with an SKS even if they were equipped one of my match grade AR's if we were both standing.

Go with as short a barrel as possible.
It will make more noise and muzzle blast.
Short barrels are also stiffer, giving you a greater chance of accuracy.
Shorter barrels also have fewer inches of rifling and screwed up rifling can degrade accuracy.

sorry i mean "i need IT to be accurate" am i accurate? yes, i dont need anything like a sniper rifle accurate, just good for shoooting 2-300 yards or something

thanks, yes Im looking for a short barrel

Technowizard
03-11-2008, 12:19 AM
Cetme is same as PTR -91 ?????????????????????:rolleyes:

Not quite... the Cetme is somewhat different, more of a predecessor of the G3/HK-91 (clone PTR-91 in this case). Yes, they are more similar than dissimilar, but technically not the the same rifle. The PTR-91 variants are not listed in the AW list, just as non listed AR-15/AK-47 variants we are so fond of here. The same rules apply.

Technowizard

ar15barrels
03-11-2008, 12:46 AM
sorry i mean "i need IT to be accurate" am i accurate? yes, i dont need anything like a sniper rifle accurate, just good for shoooting 2-300 yards or something

thanks, yes Im looking for a short barrel

What do you consider accurate?
Please answer in MOA.

fireluvrandrew@gmail.com
03-11-2008, 12:57 AM
not sure of MOA, comperable to a socom 16

ar15barrels
03-11-2008, 1:04 AM
not sure of MOA, comperable to a socom 16

You're so busted.
If you are not sure of MOA, you are not accurate.

Technowizard
03-11-2008, 1:20 AM
You're so busted.
If you are not sure of MOA, you are not accurate.

Well I wouldn't call him that. He's probably just not a "competition" type shooter. I'm still not a 100% on MOA lingo... but I know I could bullseye your behind with a standard M16A2 rifle at 300 meters! :D

Not knowing MOA terminology doesn't make him inaccurate.



Technowizard

fireluvrandrew@gmail.com
03-11-2008, 1:21 AM
damn you got me there, well accurate enough to me at least! ( i guess there is no embarrassed smiley)

anyway, enough about my newbness, continue with suggestions

fireluvrandrew@gmail.com
03-11-2008, 1:21 AM
Well I wouldn't call him that. He's probably just not a "competition" type shooter. I'm still not a 100% on MOA lingo... but I know I could bullseye your ***** with a standard M16A2 rifle at 300 meters! :D

Not knowing MOA terminology doesn't make him inaccurate.



Technowizard


THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

very true

ar15barrels
03-11-2008, 1:23 AM
damn you got me there, well accurate enough to me at least!

MOA is a measure of angle.
It's roughly 1.047" at 100yds.
"Shooters MOA" is an inch at 100yds.

So, how accurate is that Socom 16?
Does it shoot 3" groups at 100yds?
That's about 3 MOA.

Get the Saiga.
Spend the extra $500 on 1000 rounds of ammo.

ar15barrels
03-11-2008, 1:25 AM
I know I could bullseye your behind with a standard M16A2 rifle at 300 meters! :D

That's not fair.
My behind is considerably wider than most behinds.

fireluvrandrew@gmail.com
03-11-2008, 1:27 AM
sounds like the best deal, I hate to just go cheap, but to be honest, because my brother already has the socom, makes me feel like i can do without, because I can shoot his if i REALLY wanna take it out, also I already have a mini-14 so 223 rounds are covered, the only other options right now are the FAL if anyone can answer where to get a prefab cali compliant or....

JBird33
03-11-2008, 1:29 AM
sounds like the best deal, I hate to just go cheap, but to be honest, because my brother already has the socom, makes me feel like i can do without, because I can shoot his if i REALLY wanna take it out, also I already have a mini-14 so 223 rounds are covered, the only other options right now are the FAL if anyone can answer where to get a prefab cali compliant or....

FAL may be my next rifle. Check out enterprise arms. Also go to falfiles.com for more info on them.

Technowizard
03-11-2008, 1:36 AM
That's not fair.
My behind is considerably wider than most behinds.

:rofl2: well I guess some targets are easier than others! :D

Gator Monroe
03-11-2008, 9:37 AM
:rofl2: well I guess some targets are easier than others! :D

Which would be a better Rifle for PRK (Fal )(PTR-91) (Cetme Flat parts kit Build) and are Fal's & Cetme listed and thus not Off List ????????????????????????

BHPFan
03-11-2008, 10:13 AM
Which would be a better Rifle for PRK (Fal )(PTR-91) (Cetme Flat parts kit Build) and are Fal's & Cetme listed and thus not Off List ????????????????????????

FAL.

You can still get FALs from DSA though they take a long while and from Entreprise (a SoCal company) as they make receivers and build FAL rifles. However, the configuration will be fixed 10 rd mag and loaded at the top unless you have a MMG grip so you're owning a Kali-compliant altered gun.

I've heard and read good things about the PTR-91, but I wonder about the product support.

From what I read, Cetme has been hit or miss.

Check this link about choosing either FAL or G3/Cetme:

http://www.eotacforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=112&t=3460

A couple of good alternatives:
1) Save your money and buy a M14/M1A. They are expensive, but the rifle is basically unaltered (NO fixed mag, only the muzzle brake instead of FS) and extremely accurate.
2) Get a Saiga. A helluva lot Cheaper, but a lot of BANG for your money.

DLaw
03-11-2008, 11:19 AM
Save your money recycle bottles and cans do what you gotta do to get the
M1A.

JBird33
03-11-2008, 12:29 PM
FAL.

You can still get FALs from DSA though they take a long while and from Entreprise (a SoCal company) as they make receivers and build FAL rifles. However, the configuration will be fixed 10 rd mag and loaded at the top unless you have a MMG grip so you're owning a Kali-compliant altered gun.

I've heard and read good things about the PTR-91, but I wonder about the product support.

From what I read, Cetme has been hit or miss.

Check this link about choosing either FAL or G3/Cetme:

http://www.eotacforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=112&t=3460

A couple of good alternatives:
1) Save your money and buy a M14/M1A. They are expensive, but the rifle is basically unaltered (NO fixed mag, only the muzzle brake instead of FS) and extremely accurate.
2) Get a Saiga. A helluva lot Cheaper, but a lot of BANG for your money.

There are FAL bullet buttons out there now too.

Gator Monroe
03-11-2008, 1:30 PM
Save your money recycle bottles and cans do what you gotta do to get the
M1A. WOW ! you are scary good (You must be a Remote Viewer)

socomIInato
03-11-2008, 5:43 PM
Here`s my two cents, forget that BB bull****, monster man grip! And 10 round limitation. Save your`e money buy one of the version of springfield armory rifles and enjoy the 20 rd. gov`t mags available for it that you probably bought before the ban.

Technowizard
03-11-2008, 6:51 PM
I've heard and read good things about the PTR-91, but I wonder about the product support.

From what I read, Cetme has been hit or miss.

Check this link about choosing either FAL or G3/Cetme:

http://www.eotacforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=112&t=3460


I love my PTR-91, it is truly a well built quality rifle. PTR's are made on the same equipment that HK's are as well (JLD/PTR actually bought all their tooling machines from a closing HK plant). Wouldn't know about the customer service, as I've NEVER had to contact them!

Technowizard

Cypriss32
03-11-2008, 6:55 PM
You forgot the best choice M1A scout or standered. Im tempted to run an Nm or loaded in a JAE100 Gen1 stock!

BHPFan
03-11-2008, 8:00 PM
There are FAL bullet buttons out there now too.

Are these Bullet Button like the ones for the OLL AR's?

Or are they more like Mag Locks?

aplinker
03-11-2008, 10:55 PM
Doesn't really matter as the best way to load a FAL with a locked mag is using the stripper clip guide dust cover.

Are these Bullet Button like the ones for the OLL AR's?

Or are they more like Mag Locks?

duenor
03-12-2008, 12:30 AM
Yup.
I'm going to post pics of my FAL with a CAN C1 cover soon.
It's tight.

By the way, a fixed magazine FAL is probably the least "neutered" of all the fixed-mag CA rifles, for two reasons:

1. Its direct predecessor, on which it was based, the FN49, was a fixed 10 rnd magazine, top stripper clip loaded rifle.
2. Many military issue variants of the FAL were issued with a stripper clip top cover, with the intention that troops would reload their magazines using stripper clips.

If 308, I'd vote FAL then M1A then SAIGA 308 and then AR10.
If 223, Mini14 2008 then AR15 then SAIGA 223 then SU16CA.
If bolt action 308, Tikka T3 Tactical then Remington 700 then Savage 10LE.

Gator Monroe
03-12-2008, 9:35 AM
If Cetme (Would I be Breaking the Law with a Listed weapon ?):rolleyes:

1919A4
03-12-2008, 9:42 AM
I would go with a M1A. Plus you can have a detachable mag with them.

JBird33
03-12-2008, 10:51 AM
Are these Bullet Button like the ones for the OLL AR's?

Or are they more like Mag Locks?

I'm not positive, I just know they are in existence. I think they use a hex key to drop the mag since the .308 cartridge is too big...might be more like a lock though too. I haven't looked into it too deeply since I am a long ways away from owning a FAL.

BHPFan
03-12-2008, 11:13 AM
I'm not positive, I just know they are in existence. I think they use a hex key to drop the mag since the .308 cartridge is too big...might be more like a lock though too. I haven't looked into it too deeply since I am a long ways away from owning a FAL.

For rifles like FAL and AK's, I just cannot envision a Bullet-Button.

As I understand, with a bullet-button, you can use the tip of the bullet to push the locked magazine release and neither FAL nor AK's have similar mag releases like AR's. So, I like to think more of them as being like mag locks.

Noonanda
03-12-2008, 6:56 PM
I would say go with a polytech M-14, then 2nd choice would be get a FN-FAL, 3rd choice Saiga .308. this is if you only go the semi route. Cheapest would be Saiga then Polytech/Norico M-14, then FAL.

fireluvrandrew@gmail.com
03-12-2008, 10:01 PM
I would say go with a polytech M-14, then 2nd choice would be get a FN-FAL, 3rd choice Saiga .308. this is if you only go the semi route. Cheapest would be Saiga then Polytech/Norico M-14, then FAL.
+1 on that no one has suggested those, i diddnt even know those polytechs existed, tell me more, where to buy, their quality etc etc, are there other m14 clones?

C.G.
03-13-2008, 12:34 AM
If 308, I'd vote FAL then M1A then SAIGA 308 and then AR10.
If 223, Mini14 2008 then AR15 then SAIGA 223 then SU16CA.


I guess you don't care for accuracy in semi-autos.

Q
03-13-2008, 12:41 AM
go with a 308. save up for a norinco polytech m14 or better. two similar rifles are easier to maintain and feed.

Noonanda
03-13-2008, 7:42 AM
PolyTech and Norinco M-14S are as close as you can come to actual issue M-14's without working for the Government. The Chinese reverse engineered some captured during the Vietnam War, then started selling back to us in the 80s??. They havent been Imported since the 90's (thanks Bill and your rotten wife too). Some people will say they are Junk, others will swear by them. I love mine but I have also tricked it out a ton since I got back from Iraq. They Polytechs usually run $800-$1000, obviously less then a Springfield. Springfields have a lifetime warranty, there is a chance you will have to use it. If you buy a Polytech from out of state make sure to get one with a solid/fake flash hider
One big question you were asked and didnt really answer(that I saw, may have missed it) was what are you going to use this for? Plinking, hunting, competitive shooting? you said you need it to be accurate to 200-300 yds/meters. Well the M-14/M-1A platform with the right shooter can be accurate to double/triple that.
here is a picture of my Polytech, she sports a Simmons Prohunter 3x9x50, Adjustable cheekpiece from LAW483, Harris Bipod, and USGI Synthetic stock that I painted myself.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/21808006.jpg

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/21808011.jpg

savageevo
03-13-2008, 8:13 AM
you should put up PTR 91. Excellent rifle and very accurate.

fireluvrandrew@gmail.com
03-13-2008, 11:58 AM
sexy rifle there, i dont need anything for comp, just targets, somewhat competitive, but nothing pro, and of course for when a certain female gets elected, and "they" come to try and take my guns........