Am I reading this correctly?

[Osprey]

http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/prepare/guidelines/firearms.html

I'm shipping a rifle later this morning to an FFL in NorCal. I'm planning on boxing it up and dropping it off at UPS.

According to my interpretation of the info on the page I linked to, I am not required to inform UPS that my package contains a rifle.

So long as I request the "Delivery Confirmation Adult Signature Required" service, I'm good to go... Right?

Any of you nerdy barrister types wanna chine in?

[gosparx]

If, or I should say WHEN they ask what is in the box, just tell them 'sporting equipment'. You are telling the truth and they are happy and have something to type into their little box on the computer.

Should you say anything about it being a gun or firearm, weird things can happen, especially if the person you are dealing with is uninformed about what is legal and what is not.

[-hanko]

http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/prepare/guidelines/firearms.html

I'm shipping a rifle later this morning to an FFL in NorCal. I'm planning on boxing it up and dropping it off at UPS.

According to my interpretation of the info on the page I linked to, I am not required to inform UPS that my package contains a rifle.

So long as I request the "Delivery Confirmation Adult Signature Required" service, I'm good to go... Right?

Any of you nerdy barrister types wanna chine in?
Nerdy non-atty here. You interpreted ups' tariff correctly. You didn't check federal law.

From the atf faq website here...http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#b8...

](B8) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.

"Sporting goods" is not the same as "firearm", nor is the good ol' internet suggestion of "machined parts". UPS does not print the contents of any package on the shipping label, to my knowledge. If you're worried about 'weird things happening', print the tariff and take it with you.

-hanko

[AfricanHunter]

When shipping with UPS, I would always call the 800 number and set everything up with them on the phone for home pick up the next day. The driver just shows up at your house or business with a sticker, you give him the package, he sticks it on and it's good to go. This way, you are upfront with them about it being a firearm just in case you need to collect insurance (seems like they would try to weasel out of it saying you didn't tell them exactly what was in the package or some such nonsense). Also that way only the guy on the phone knows there is a firearm in the package (they don't include anything on the label or in the driver accessible system indicating firearm, just adult sig required).

I figured out the above system after trying to ship firearms from various shipping centers in and around Berkeley and getting hostility and looks of abject terror.

ETA: I have also heard too many stories of packages with guns never making it out of the shipping center and, IMO, the less time it spends there the better

[dasmi]

What's in the box?
"Stuff."

[Osprey]

Thanks for the input guys. I just spoke with a woman at the UPS processing facility and it looks like I'm good to go. I also called my FFL and he recommended UPS.

I was unaware that federal law prohibits them from putting a label on my package identifying it as a firearm - was scared about it being stolen. But that fear's been assuaged and I think I'll just use as "square" of a box as I can.

[Diabolus]

I send my stuff via FedEx... FedEx requires you to tell the agent it's a firearm. Last time I dropped something off, the guy was a avid collector and we talked for about half an hour.

[xrMike]

I've done the "Machined Metal Parts" thing before and insured the pkg for full value. This method hasn't bit me, yet.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

Nerdy non-atty here. You interpreted ups' tariff correctly. You didn't check federal law.

From the atf faq website here...http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#b8...

](B8) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.

"Sporting goods" is not the same as "firearm", nor is the good ol' internet suggestion of "machined parts". UPS does not print the contents of any package on the shipping label, to my knowledge. If you're worried about 'weird things happening', print the tariff and take it with you.

-hanko

Federal law only requires you to notify the common carrier if you are shipping a firearm to a non-licensee. The ATF FAQ page gives broad answers that skip over some of the fine details of Federal firearms laws.

[Hopi]

I list the contents as "Tools"......