Obama; No Gun Shops Within Five Miles of Schools; Porn Shops Okay

[aileron]

Interesting, a little bit of a hate article but we can see what he thinks is reasonable. :rolleyes:

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Y2IwYjAyNjhjY2RiOTdiOWMyYTJmMDMwYTg3ODMzMjc=


Obama; No Gun Shops Within Five Miles of Schools; Porn Shops Okay

I'm going to enjoy writing about a general election campaign against Barack Obama.

As Corner contributor Dave Kopel and David Bernstein note, Barack Obama proposed a few years ago a federal law against licensed firearms dealers operating within five miles of a school or park. As Kopel notes, "Every town I've ever visited which has more than a few dozen inhabitants has either a school or a park. Hypothesizing that the ban would apply to city parks (e.g., Central Park in New York City) but not to National Parks, pick a geographical region, and describe where a licensed firearms dealer could operate. Or pick a geographic point (e.g, Houston)and identify how far a peson would have to drive in order to get to the closest point where a gun store could legally be located. Extra credit for illustrative maps."

As the commenters noted, this would effectively ban gun shops from most of the country, and just about every city.

However, Obama appears to find another kind of establishment to be perfectly fine operating near your children's school:

Obama was also the sole present vote on a bill that easily passed the Senate that would require teaching respect for others in schools. He also voted present on a measure to prohibit sex-related shops from opening near schools or places of worship, which ultimately did not pass the Senate.

In both of those cases, his campaign said, he was trying to avoid mandates on local authorities.

The bill did not get the required three-fifths majority, so it did not in fact pass. (Mr. Obama voted “present” on the measure.)

Why on God's green earth does Barack Obama object to mandates on local authorities for porn shops but not for gun stores? Or conversely, why does he feel it's necessary to keep gun stores five miles from a school, but no limit on porn shops?

[gosparx]

Let's just make sure he doesn't get within 5 miles of the White House.

Of course that goes for Hillary and McCain as well... oops... doesn't leave many choices.

Any way to just vote "NO" this time around???

[Hoop]

Let's just make sure he doesn't get within 5 miles of the White House.

Of course that goes for Hillary and McCain as well... oops... doesn't leave many choices.

Any way to just vote "NO" this time around???

Obama's frightening because people actually believe his bull****. Hillary & McCain well UGH.

Maybe I'll vote "present" in this next election :eek:

[DedEye]

Why are porn shops ok in his mind and gunshops aren't? Simple enough reason (even if I don't agree): [pictures of] boobs don't kill [as many] people.

[Army GI]

You guys are silly.

It was only a few years ago for me; so I do remember what I was more obsessed with when I was a teenager. Raging hormones beats discount ammo everytime.

Now, complete opposite:p

[deleted by PC police]

I think you would be hard pressed to find a spot in a city that isn't within 5 miles of a school.

[sunborder]

I can guarantee that this would shut down at least 12 places I know of in San Diego, including 2 indoor ranges. Probably closer to 20. I know of no place that is for sure in the clear in SD county. If passed, I could see the law being struck down on constitutional grounds.

[Prc329]

There is both a park and a school with in 2 miles of Ammo Bros. Signal Hill Turners is down the hill from a park and within a few miles from a school.

[dfletcher]

This would shut down alot of gun stores, he knows that, that's his goal - and let's remember, he continues to say with a straight face that he supports the 2nd Amendment.

[Patriot]

Why are porn shops ok in his mind and gunshops aren't? Simple enough reason (even if I don't agree): [pictures of] boobs don't kill [as many] people.

Guns don't kill people either, it's the trauma caused by the bullet fired when a human being squeezed the trigger, releasing the firing pin.

Though not conclusive, there are numerous studies on the correlation between sexually explicit materials and aggressive behavior or sexual violence/aggression.

[MrTuffPaws]

Guns don't kill people either, it's the trauma caused by the bullet fired when a human being squeezed the trigger, releasing the firing pin.

Though not conclusive, there are numerous studies on the correlation between sexually explicit materials and aggressive behavior or sexual violence/aggression.

And I'm pretty sure that you'll find studies indicating aggressive behavior or sexual violence/aggression of people that own weapons. Your point?

[mk19]

The bill did not pass, but it does tel us to be watchfull of Obama, and now i am gonna go and mess with my brother(he supports this hippie)

[Patriot]

And I'm pretty sure that you'll find studies indicating aggressive behavior or sexual violence/aggression of people that own weapons. Your point?

That it is naive and simplistic to say that gun stores post a danger to individuals, youth, social health/safety/welfare, whatever and porn stores do not.

Both are regulated businesses. Both are generally prohibited from selling to minors. Both industries are patronized by a large segment of the population, predominantly male in both instances. Both have some degree of protection under an article of the Bill of Rights.

It's an opportunistic and arbitrary bill. Why aren't they trying to prohibit car dealerships/rentals or alcohol sales within five miles of schools? Such a law would seem to have far more compelling basis when you look at the numbers.

[FlyingPen]

Is there any sources cited or the text of the actual bill or was this just pulled out of the writer's ***?

[troyus]

That it is naive and simplistic to say that gun stores post a danger to individuals, youth, social health/safety/welfare, whatever and porn stores do not.

Both are regulated businesses. Both are generally prohibited from selling to minors. Both industries are patronized by a large segment of the population, predominantly male in both instances. Both have some degree of protection under an article of the Bill of Rights.

It's an opportunistic and arbitrary bill. Why aren't they trying to prohibit car dealerships/rentals or alcohol sales within five miles of schools? Such a law would seem to have far more compelling basis when you look at the numbers.

+1

What does a porn store or a gun store have to do with a school several miles away. Nothing.

As if this country needs more laws...

The only good I can see out of this, is Hillary would probably try to ban both. :cuss:

[aileron]

Is there any sources cited or the text of the actual bill or was this just pulled out of the writer's ***?

You can try to follow the trail at the original article. But here is a juicy article from one of the linked articles.

http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2008_02_17-2008_02_23.shtml#1203389334


David Bernstein, February 18, 2008 at 9:48pm] Trackbacks
Obama and Gun Control:

His record isn't likely to win back the rural "pro-gun" voters who've fled to the Republicans in recent years, likely costing Gore the election in 2000. From the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999:

Sweeping federal gun control legislation proposed by Sen. Barack Obama (D-13th) would increase the penalties on gun runners who are flooding Chicago's streets with illegal weapons.

At an anti-gun rally held at the Park Manor Christian Church, 600 E. 73rd St., headed by the Rev. James Demus, Obama also said he's backing a resolution being introduced into the City Council by Alds. Toni Preckwinkle (4th), Ted Thomas (15th), Leslie Hairston (5th) to call for a "shot-free" millennium celebration.

Obama outlined his anti-gun plan that includes increased penalties for the interstate transportation of firearms. The maximum penalty now for bringing a gun across the border is 10 years in prison. Obama is proposing to make it a felony for a gun owner whose firearm was stolen from his residence which causes harm to another person if that weapon was not securely stored in that home. [!!!]

He's proposing restricting gun purchases to one weapon a month and banning the sale of firearms at gun shows except for "antique" weapons. Obama is also proposing increasing the licensing fee to obtain a federal firearms license.

He's also seeking a ban on police agencies from reselling their used weapons even if those funds are used to buy more state-of-the-art weapons for their agencies. Obama wants only those over 21 who've passed a basic course to be able to buy or own a firearm.

He's proposing that all federally licensed gun dealers sell firearms in a storefront and not from their homes while banning their business from being within five miles of a school or a park. He's also banning the sale of 'junk" handguns like the popular Saturday Night Specials.

Obama is requiring that all people working at a gun dealer undergo a criminal background check. He's also asking that gun manufacturers be required to develop safety measures that permit only the original owner of the firearm to operate the weapon purchased.

Additionally, he wants an increase of the funds for schools to teach anger management skills for youth between the ages of 5-13. Obama is also seeking to increase the federal taxes by 500 percent on the sale of firearm, ammunition [sic] -- weapons he says are most commonly used in firearm deaths.

[zcktomcat]

Come on. Obama was probably concerned with the mystical mean rays gun stores send off for at least 5 miles. 8 miles if it is on a hill. Cause we all know it can't be because he thinks that elementary school children are going to enter a store, and buy a rifle.

[Sutcliffe]

The one about how many gun stores would be shut down over night if there was a five mile buffer zone for schools and parks. I'd conservativly say ALL gunshops would be forced to relocate to areas outside city or town limits.

[Glock22Fan]

Not that long ago, my community successfuly fought to avoid getting an Albertson's in the area. The main reason seemed to be that they would sell alcohol to schoolchildren. (the, to my mind, more important reason - that we are a rural community - didn't seem to matter so much.) The fact that we have beaucoup de alcohol-selling establishments already in the area didn't seem to matter.

As kids buy alcohol far more often than rifles or handguns, and drunken teens kill far more people than packing kids, maybe we should ban all alcohol sales everywhere to everyone?

Oh yes, we tried that too.

[aileron]

....maybe we should ban all alcohol sales everywhere to everyone?

Oh yes, we tried that too.

And didn't learn from it one iota.

[deleted by PC police]

He's proposing that all federally licensed gun dealers sell firearms in a storefront and not from their homes while banning their business from being within five miles of a school or a park. He's also banning the sale of 'junk" handguns like the popular Saturday Night Specials.

So basically Obama is 100% anti gun but doesn't have the balls to say it. I spent my lunch break making a little map here. This is the sacramento area. If Obama gets his way every gun store in Sacramento will be out of buisness. It's probably much worse than this, there are 3 schools by my house that wouldn't show up unless I zoomed in more. I did not use parks to create the map, the only thing it would do is make it worse. I'm sure this is the case for every city. *edit* North is to the right of the image.

http://i28.tinypic.com/ezn4og.jpg

[Josh3239]

This would shut down alot of gun stores, he knows that, that's his goal - and let's remember, he continues to say with a straight face that he supports the 2nd Amendment.

Exactly, why call for a nationwide gun ban when you can find less opposition by taking the back door gun ban? It is more or less the same strategy as microstamping or these goofy AW bans based on features or the name on the receiver.

[dfletcher]

So basically Obama is 100% anti gun but doesn't have the balls to say it. I spent my lunch break making a little map here. This is the sacramento area. If Obama gets his way every gun store in Sacramento will be out of buisness. It's probably much worse than this, there are 3 schools by my house that wouldn't show up unless I zoomed in more. I did not use parks to create the map, the only thing it would do is make it worse. I'm sure this is the case for every city. *edit* North is to the right of the image.

http://i28.tinypic.com/ezn4og.jpg

Balls has nothing to do with it.

He doesn't say it because he knows it will cost him votes. He doesn't say it because in saying everything short of that he holds votes. There are a few folks here who have questioned just how anti - gun he may be and given the informed audience, how do you expect the casual "I keep this pistol in my nightstand" gun owner to learn otherwise? He's a smart politician who knows what to say. He knows enough to give people something to hold on to, regardless of how they may intellectually know otherwise, and they will talk themselves into allowing he's OK.

Whenever a politician does something that makes you believe he doesn't know what he's doing, my bet is they have an angle we're not aware of - politicians always do what is in their best self interest.

[dfletcher]

Exactly, why call for a nationwide gun ban when you can find less opposition by taking the back door gun ban? It is more or less the same strategy as microstamping or these goofy AW bans based on features or the name on the receiver.

Let's use the Cow Palace as an example.

For years local politicians have been trying to shut it down based on not wanting the gun show to operate on state property. No success taking this frontal assault, focused on one issue.

But now, they want to renovate the Cow Palace - they want to make it more valuable to the community, provide shopping, homes, etc. No mention of a convention hall, but I'd guess there will be one. And slipped in to some sort of by law or governing rule will be something that outlaws firearms displays. We'll still be able to have a "gun show" - stocks, grips - hell, maybe even ammo & customer reps or lists of guns. Go in, read the list by each vendor & visit the store later to buy used or place an order on new. It's not a whole lot different from what we have now - it's not like we can walk in and leave with a gun the same day.

"Really Dad - you mean you went to the show when they had real guns?"

And they'll be able to do this because closing the show is merely incidental to the overall plan.