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cosorio
02-23-2008, 6:17 AM
I've had my GSG for a couple of weeks now and I finally was able to squeeze some time to hit the range yesterday. Out of the box, the rifle performed great. I was surprized at how accurate this thing is. I knew that it's a .22 plinker so my expectation was moderate. But after firing 550 rounds of remingtons, I would have to say that this rifle is very accurate with just using the standard sights. If you're on the fence whether to get one or not, just do it. My only gripe is to myself for not getting extra mags. Can't wait to shoot it again.:D

zeekster
02-23-2008, 8:56 AM
Where do you get 10 rounders for this at?

Quiet
02-23-2008, 11:38 AM
Who has extra 10 rounds magazines for sale? :confused:

Shane916
02-23-2008, 1:11 PM
Who has extra 10 rounds magazines for sale? :confused:

I don't even think they've made it to the US yet.

My bet is Metroshot modified them.

ohsmily
02-23-2008, 2:35 PM
I've had my GSG for a couple of weeks now and I finally was able to squeeze some time to hit the range yesterday. Out of the box, the rifle performed great. I was surprized at how accurate this thing is. I knew that it's a .22 plinker so my expectation was moderate. But after firing 550 rounds of remingtons, I would have to say that this rifle is very accurate with just using the standard sights. If you're on the fence whether to get one or not, just do it. My only gripe is to myself for not getting extra mags. Can't wait to shoot it again.:D

Any malfunctions while firing that brick of ammo? FTF, FTE, etc? were these Remington 'golden bullet' rounds?

cosorio
02-23-2008, 3:06 PM
No factory 10-round mags available yet. Mags need to be modified to be restricted and a number of different dealers modify mags. I had 2 feeding malfunctions but it was user error. The rounds were not seated properly which caused the feeding malfunction. But once the first round hits the chamber, no jams, no malfunctions. I rapid fired the gun as fast as I could and there were no problems at all. I think the rounds were Remingtons but I cant remember exactly which ones. Just came back from Wally World and got 2 more bricks. I just gotta go back to the range tomorrow. :D

ghettoshecky
02-23-2008, 6:11 PM
No factory 10-round mags available yet. Mags need to be modified to be restricted and a number of different dealers modify mags. I had 2 feeding malfunctions but it was user error. The rounds were not seated properly which caused the feeding malfunction. But once the first round hits the chamber, no jams, no malfunctions. I rapid fired the gun as fast as I could and there were no problems at all. I think the rounds were Remingtons but I cant remember exactly which ones. Just came back from Wally World and got 2 more bricks. I just gotta go back to the range tomorrow. :D

so were u able to bump-fire the puppy?

D1911
02-23-2008, 6:15 PM
I just bought mine today, can't wait to pick it up!!

cosorio
02-23-2008, 7:15 PM
so were u able to bump-fire the puppy?

Nah, totally unsafe and didn't want to get kicked out.

Solidsnake87
02-23-2008, 7:31 PM
The mags are easy was sin to modify! Simply gage the length of 10 loaded rounds, clip the spring to 1/3 of it original length, then cut a piece of plastic with a dremel that contours to the magwell and makes up the difference for the blockage length. For best results, use a sheet of transparent 1/8 inch-thick plastic available at most hardwars. The usually come in sheets smaller than 10"x10", which is more than enough to make at least 10 mags if done correctly!

hiyabrad
02-23-2008, 7:55 PM
Why not just put one rivet into the mag at the 10 round point? Or a small screw for that matter?

Can someone tell me where Wally World is?

Thanks.

Brad

I bought 4 22 rounders and will mod those.

WokMaster1
02-23-2008, 7:58 PM
Why not just put one rivet into the mag at the 10 round point? Or a small screw for that matter?

Can someone tell me where Wally World is?

Thanks.

Brad

I bought 4 22 rounders and will mod those.

WalMart.

thedrickel
02-23-2008, 8:16 PM
Why not just put one rivet into the mag at the 10 round point? Or a small screw for that matter?


Because that method is not nearly permanent enough. If you can make it a hi-cap again without destroying the mag, it's not permanent enough.

Clodbuster
02-23-2008, 8:26 PM
Then the method described by solidsnake doesn't sound sufficient either. You can just get a new spring and remove the plastic to make it a hi-cap again. Unless the plastic was epoxied into the magwell (in which case you would never be able to disassemble the magazine for cleaning.).

Clod

Because that method is not nearly permanent enough. If you can make it a hi-cap again without destroying the mag, it's not permanent enough.

TacFan
02-23-2008, 9:11 PM
This is an interesting comparison between an mp5 clone and the GSG

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=11&t=237168&page=1

Shane916
02-23-2008, 9:16 PM
This is an interesting comparison between an mp5 clone and the GSG

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=11&t=237168&page=1

That guy seriously is a slob! Look at the crap on the carpet! lol..

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/Cpt_Kirks/IMAG0002-2.jpg

cosorio
02-24-2008, 12:56 AM
Why not just put one rivet into the mag at the 10 round point? Or a small screw for that matter?

Can someone tell me where Wally World is?

Thanks.

Brad

I bought 4 22 rounders and will mod those.

I don't think a screw would suffice as it isn't permanent.

Solidsnake87
02-24-2008, 1:47 AM
Then the method described by solidsnake doesn't sound sufficient either. You can just get a new spring and remove the plastic to make it a hi-cap again. Unless the plastic was epoxied into the magwell (in which case you would never be able to disassemble the magazine for cleaning.).

Clod


It is if you epoxy the follower in place. Sorry, I forgot to mention that.

frigginchi
02-24-2008, 8:03 AM
Clipping springs make them stiffer, so be careful when you do that it may induce jams.

The mags are easy was sin to modify! Simply gage the length of 10 loaded rounds, clip the spring to 1/3 of it original length, then cut a piece of plastic with a dremel that contours to the magwell and makes up the difference for the blockage length. For best results, use a sheet of transparent 1/8 inch-thick plastic available at most hardwars. The usually come in sheets smaller than 10"x10", which is more than enough to make at least 10 mags if done correctly!

cooslf
02-29-2008, 11:37 PM
I am kind of slow. Could Solidsnake87 show picture of how the modify mag can be done?
Could I put a plastic block or some sort into the mag to leave only space for 10 rounds? Cut the spring and epoxy the entire plastic block onto the mag and base pad.
Will that make it permanent?
Thanks so much

F-2_Challenger
03-01-2008, 8:11 AM
Just a quick question, how are the mags coming? If they are being shipped to together and functional isn't that a :nono:.

Shane916
03-01-2008, 10:49 AM
Just a quick question, how are the mags coming? If they are being shipped to together and functional isn't that a :nono:.

The FFL's disassemble them.

Clodbuster
03-01-2008, 10:50 PM
Guess my point is, where in the law does it state that converting a hi-cap magazine to a low cap magazine is not legal unless the process ensures that the magazine is destroyed if trying to convert it back?

As long as an assembled magazine is restricted to 10 rounds, there shouldn't be any legal issues with it. If you tried to convert it back to hi-cap (i.e. removing the plastic follower, or screw or rivet which restricts the magazine to 10 rounds), then you have commited a felony by manufacturing a hi-capacity magazine. I don't see it as being any different than someone loosening the set screw on an assembled maglock'd AR while the pistol grip is still attached.

Clod

It is if you epoxy the follower in place. Sorry, I forgot to mention that.

Quiet
03-02-2008, 10:55 AM
Guess my point is, where in the law does it state that converting a hi-cap magazine to a low cap magazine is not legal unless the process ensures that the magazine is destroyed if trying to convert it back?

CA Penal Code 12020(c)
(25) As used in this section, "large-capacity magazine" means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(B) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(C) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.

Clodbuster
03-03-2008, 12:44 PM
The law says that magazine that are permanently altered to 10 rounds cannot be construed as hicaps--which is a no brainer. But it does not say that magazines that have been non-permenantly modified to 10 rounds are illegal. It says "capacity" to accept more than 10 rounds.

The law as printed in the AW guide (which I don't think has changed) reads:

Large Capacity Magazine Restrictions and Exemptions (Penal Code Section 12020)
A large capacity magazine is defined as “any ammunition feeding device with a capacity to accept more than 10
rounds but shall not be construed to include a feeding device that is permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate
more than 10 rounds nor shall it include any .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device (or, effective
January 1, 2002, a tubular magazine contained in a lever-action firearm).” It is important to understand that
a large capacity feeding device may be detachable or fixed, and includes any tube ammunition feeding device
(other than .22 caliber or, effective January 1, 2002, a tubular magazine contained in a lever-action firearm) that
can accommodate more than 10 rounds. A large capacity magazine also includes linked ammunition with more
than 10 rounds linked together or an ammunition belt with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

There is only one definition of what is considered a large capacity magazine stated in the law. It says that linked belts is considered a magazine. And linked belts are by no means permanently altered to accept only 10 rounds.

As always, safest bet is to alter your magazines so that your capacity to accept more than 10 rounds is permanent, but then if a spring breaks, then you cannot repair it. The other safe bet is to stick with FAB10 recievers for OLL builds so that your capacity to accept a detachable magazine is also permanent.

Though this is just my interpretation of the law.

Clod

CA Penal Code 12020(c)
(25) As used in this section, "large-capacity magazine" means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(B) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(C) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.

doctor_vals
03-16-2008, 6:02 PM
The mags are easy was sin to modify! Simply gage the length of 10 loaded rounds, clip the spring to 1/3 of it original length, then cut a piece of plastic with a dremel that contours to the magwell and makes up the difference for the blockage length. For best results, use a sheet of transparent 1/8 inch-thick plastic available at most hardwars. The usually come in sheets smaller than 10"x10", which is more than enough to make at least 10 mags if done correctly!

And what I did:
I just glued transparent plastic pieces on both sides in sliding groove.
And MAKE SURE that ONLY 10 rd able to load.
And because it is glued (not pined) it is permanent. To take that plastic off - you need to use tool, and it is not what you can do so quickly.

Of course if you go outside to the USA land :D - you can spend some time to break plastic and cleanup sliding groove.

aplinker
03-17-2008, 12:29 AM
I shot a GSG-5 this past week.

It feels, shoots and acts like airsoft.

Jicko
03-17-2008, 12:32 AM
I just bought mine today, can't wait to pick it up!!

FROM WHERE!?! I wanted one... just couldn't find it...

doctor_vals
03-17-2008, 3:02 PM
FROM WHERE!?! I wanted one... just couldn't find it...

I bought from Atlantic Firearms (http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/programming/expand.asp?Prodid=477)
Make sure you tell them that mag - they should send to you as parts, so later you able to do as I did - just glued plastic pieces on both sides in sliding groove.
And MAKE SURE that ONLY 10 rd able to load.

Jicko
03-17-2008, 4:58 PM
I bought from Atlantic Firearms (http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/programming/expand.asp?Prodid=477)
Make sure you tell them that mag - they should send to you as parts, so later you able to do as I did - just glued plastic pieces on both sides in sliding groove.
And MAKE SURE that ONLY 10 rd able to load.

Do they have ANY!?!?!?!?

Atlantic Firearms.com
03-23-2008, 12:01 PM
We are sold out and waiting on our next shipment to arrive , hopefully we will have these in 7 -10 days but are not sure exactly how many will show up and we have a current back order list to fill. The good news is the importer will be doubling monthly imports as of late April so the availability should get better in the future.

Gator Monroe
03-23-2008, 12:22 PM
Are there any other Variants of Rimfire Rifles due soon from GSG ??????? (MP44 Stg 44), Thompson,M1, MP40, Galil/AK/FAL ???? Their Initial press releases on Real Firearm Production mentioned this as part of their Future "Real" FIREARM LINE ???????????????:rolleyes:

Quiet
03-23-2008, 4:21 PM
Currently, the GSG-5 is the only firearm the BATFE has apporved for importation from GSG.

Factor in the fact it took the BATFE over 6 months to decide on legality of importing the GSG5, it's going to be awhile before we start seeing other .22LR varients being imported into the USA.

Lon Moer
03-23-2008, 9:53 PM
Actually, the *rumor* is that they have plans for an AK47, followed by a G-36. :cool:

leelaw
03-23-2008, 9:55 PM
They should make a .22lr Pulse Rifle clone :D

Quiet
03-24-2008, 12:49 AM
Actually, the *rumor* is that they have plans for an AK47, followed by a G-36. :cool:

AKM clones is being made, the G36 is still rumor.

GSG got Mikhail T. Kalashnikov's seal of approval for their AKM clone. (http://www.germansportguns.de/index.php?id=10320&p_id=1775)
Still won't see it in the USA for at least another year.

:Pirate:

Black Majik
03-25-2008, 10:35 AM
I've had my GSG for a couple of weeks now and I finally was able to squeeze some time to hit the range yesterday. Out of the box, the rifle performed great. I was surprized at how accurate this thing is. I knew that it's a .22 plinker so my expectation was moderate. But after firing 550 rounds of remingtons, I would have to say that this rifle is very accurate with just using the standard sights. If you're on the fence whether to get one or not, just do it. My only gripe is to myself for not getting extra mags. Can't wait to shoot it again.:D

Did you shoot it at Angeles on the pistol side?

Shane916
03-25-2008, 11:35 AM
AKM clones is being made, the G36 is still rumor.

GSG got Mikhail T. Kalashnikov's seal of approval for their AKM clone. (http://www.germansportguns.de/index.php?id=10320&p_id=1775)
Still won't see it in the USA for at least another year.

:Pirate:

Truly a fascinating read.....

Auf dem Bild v.l.n.r.: Michael Swoboda, Marina Alagaev, Manfred Nienhaus, Mikhail T. Kalashnikov und Dietmar Emde mit einer GSG-5 Cal. .22 lr.



Bericht aus dem Soester Anzeiger vom 11.12.07

Höinger bauen bald Kalaschnikovs

Konstrukteur des weltberühmten Gewehrs genehmigt neue Sport- und Freizeitwaffe


11.12.2007 • HÖINGENDie Flagge Russlands wehte zur Begrüßung auf dem Gelände der Firma "German Sport Guns" (G.S.G.) am Oesterweg im Höinger Industriepark, als Michail Timofejewitsch Kalaschnikov eintraf. Der legendäre russische Generalmajor ist Konstrukteur der weltberühmten Waffe gleichen Namens.

Das Höinger Unternehmen bringt bald eine "Kalaschnikov" heraus. Die Sport- und Freizeitwaffe mit dem Kaliber "(Punkt) 22 LR" befindet sich derzeit im fortgeschrittenen Entwicklungsstadium und wird in Kürze Marktreife erlangen.

Dem Design und den technischen Funktionen der neuen Waffe gab der Konstrukteur aus Russland nach eingehender Inspektion seine Zustimmung. Kalaschnikov wurde in seiner Heimat mit dem Stalin- und Leninorden ausgezeichnet; er ist "Held der sozialistischen Arbeit" und erhielt zum 75. Geburtstag 1994 vom damaligen Präsidenten Boris Jelzin den "Vaterlandspreis".

Beim Besuch des Konstrukteurs in Höingen ging es aber nicht allein um die "neue" Kalaschnikov. Der Gast wollte auch sicher gehen, dass in Ense ein leistungsstarkes, technisch in der ersten Reihe stehendes Unternehmen seinen Namen für ein Produkt verwendet. Daher galt das Interesse des Gastes auch den Versand- und Verwaltungsabläufen in der Firma.hr

doctor_vals
03-25-2008, 12:13 PM
Truly a fascinating read.....

To people who do not have knowledge of German language :

In the picture v.l.n.r.: Michael Swoboda, Marina Alagaev, Manfred Nienhaus, Mikhail T. Kalashnikov and Dietmar Emde with a GSG-5 Cal. 22 lr. Report from the Soester indicator of 11.12.07 Hoeinger build soon Kalaschnikovs Technical designer of the world-famous rifle approves new sport and leisure weapon 11.12.2007? HOEINGENDie flag of Russia blew to the greetings on the area of the company "German sport Guns" (G.S.G.) at the Oesterweg in the Hoeinger industrial estate, when Mikhail Timofejewitsch Kalaschnikov arrived. The legendary Russian general-major is technical designer of the world-famous weapon of same name. The Hoeinger enterprise brings soon a "Kalaschnikov out". The sport and leisure weapon with the caliber "(point) of 22 LR" are in the advanced development stage and shortly ready for the market ones will at present attain. The technical designer from Russia gave his agreement to the Design and the technical functions of the new weapon after detailed inspection. Kalaschnikov was distinguished in its homeland with the Stalin and Lenin medal; he is "hero of the socialist work" and received to 75. Birthday 1994 of the president at that time Boris Yel'tsin the "native country price". With the attendance of the technical designer in Hoeingen it did not concern however alone the "new" Kalaschnikov. The guest wanted to go also surely that in Ense a high performance, technically enterprise in the first row uses its name for a product. Therefore the interest of the guest applied also for the dispatch and administrative expirations in the company.